Intel 4770K versus AMD FX 9590 for CSGO

[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Intel 4770K versus AMD FX 9590 for CSGO

Your thoughts? Purely for CSGO. + tell me WHY you think the one or the other.

I've already got one of them in my mind, but would like to hear what others have to say.

[IceTom]

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

Originally posted by IceTom:

it ultimatively comes to the question which games YOU play. we cannot answer that for you

It's in OP, CSGO only.

why do you care about the games in the video then? Or was GO one of them?

[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Originally posted by Kammerdiener:

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

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And CSGO seems to be one of those games where AMD > Intel.

On the other hand, when there is a CPU or GPU related bug in this game, it always happened to be an AMD exclusive bug (like the one for Dreamhack Winter 2013 Souvenir Stickers not being displayed, or the well-known framedrops issue for AMD Bulldozer CPUs). :p2aperture:

Overall, I just believe Intel + nVidia to be the more reliable variant. And if it was a proven fact that current generation AMD's were indeed better for CS:GO than Intel's, then you might also ask yourself if it would really matter. An Intel + nVidia rig would be more expensive, though.

Ok thanks.

Atm I have an AMD Phenom X2 965 Black Edition (+/- 5 years old), never really had much bug issues, which of course could be different with a different AMD processor.

And true intel rig might indeed cost more.

I wish there was somebody who tested both in CSGO to compare.
Theoratically the intel one is better than the AMD one in general PC tasks. But for gaming the AMD one is theoretically better, that's y I'm making this thread.

[IceTom]

I found this thread
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3176945

its basically the same question but with a 4670k
maybe it helps you

[sv]

Originally posted by brainless fish tank:

4770k

[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Originally posted by IceTom:

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

It's in OP, CSGO only.

why do you care about the games in the video then? Or was GO one of them?

Because CSGO doesn't take advantage of hyperthreating (am i right? I believe so). And the thing that makes the Intel one better is general computing is the hyperthreating. So AMD should have the advantage here theoretically.

[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Originally posted by IceTom:

I found this thread
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3176945

its basically the same question but with a 4670k
maybe it helps you

Ty
this was interesting;
"i have got the 8350 with an 6870 and have minimum fps of 200. avarage fps is ~270 with medium settings and full hd. so with an 7870 you will be more than fine and you can safe some bucks."

Would like to know how an intel one would compare to it.

What I'm looking for is a MINIMUM of 300 FPS to play on 144hz monitor that I'm also planning to buy. (Why double the FPS? Smoothness)

[Kammerdiener]

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

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Because CSGO doesn't take advantage of hyperthreating (am i right? I believe so). And the thing that makes the Intel one better is general computing is the hyperthreating. So AMD should have the advantage here theoretically.

CS:GO is running at a maximum of 3 threads, so hyperthreading for a quad core won't matter at all for this game. This is why the deprecated launch option -threads 4 or equivalent (set the number of virtual cores for the parameter) won't make any difference above -threads 3.

This is also why the minimum recommended CPU's for this game are as follows:

Originally posted by CS:GO Steam Shop Page:

System requirements (PC)

Operating System: Windows® 7/Vista/XP
Processor: Intel® Core™ 2 Duo E6600 or AMD Phenom™ X3 8750 Processor or better
Memory: 1 GB XP / 2 GB Vista
Hard Drive: Mind. 7,6 GB free space
Graphics: 256 MB or more, DirectX 9-compatible with support for Pixel Shader 3.0

Finally I believe your assumption on AMD > Intel for CS:GO may be wrong, since for AMD the shop site recommends a TriCore and not DualCore as for Intel.

[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Originally posted by Kammerdiener:

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

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Because CSGO doesn't take advantage of hyperthreating (am i right? I believe so). And the thing that makes the Intel one better is general computing is the hyperthreating. So AMD should have the advantage here theoretically.

CS:GO is running at a maximum of 3 threads, so hyperthreading for a quad core won't matter at all for this game. This is why the deprecated launch option -threads 4 or equivalent (set the number of virtual cores for the parameter) won't make any difference above -threads 3.

This is also why the minimum recommended CPU's for this game are as follows:

Would that mean that 4 cores > 8 cores? Because that's one of the things I've been wondering about.

[Kammerdiener]

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

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Would that mean that 4 cores > 8 cores? Because that's one of the things I've been wondering about.

No, it means for CS:GO any cores more than 3 would be idle = unused.

What would then come to count would be the single core's performance (Intel is usually better for that, but I'm not an expert for current generation CPUs), and of course the clock speed. Get yourself a good cooler, for silence and overclocking potential.

Also, on this already mentioned Steam forum thread, people tend to favour Intel:

Originally posted by IceTom:

I found this thread
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3176945
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[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Originally posted by Kammerdiener:

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

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Would that mean that 4 cores > 8 cores? Because that's one of the things I've been wondering about.

No, it means for CS:GO any cores more than 3 would be idle = unused.

What would then come to count would be the single core's performance (Intel is usually better for that, but I'm not an expert for current generation CPUs), and of course the clock speed. Get yourself a good cooler, for silence and overclocking potential. :fire:

Also, on this already mentioned Steam forum thread, people tend to favour Intel:

Originally posted by IceTom:

I found this thread
http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3176945
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First I was gonna go for the 4770K, then I read about the game performance that AMD makes up the gape or some of the gape. But after reading some more, I'm slightly going back to the 4770K.

The problem is that above these 2 processors you pay like double to get max 25 % more performance which isn't really worth it. Nothing to fill the gap there.

[Ask01d]

Intel Core i7 4770K vs AMD FX 9590[cpuboss.com] WIN - Intel Core i7-4770K!!! The Best)))

[Ł@ŭяєη$]

Originally posted by Ask01d:

Intel Core i7 4770K vs AMD FX 9590[cpuboss.com] WIN - Intel Core i7-4770K!!! The Best)))

GAMING -> CSGO
Everybody knows the Intel one wins in general computing, but I'm not asking about general computing.

[Ask01d]

Originally posted by Ł@ŭяєη$:

Originally posted by Ask01d:

Intel Core i7 4770K vs AMD FX 9590[cpuboss.com] WIN - Intel Core i7-4770K!!! The Best)))

GAMING -> CSGO
Everybody knows the Intel one wins in general computing, but I'm not asking about general computing.

Agree)))

[Amaluzer]

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[Wind]

Ok there is a lot of misinformation here so I'm going to try to clear some of that up. Not to soley speak from authority or anything but I am a computer engineer and have taken graduate courses in modern processor design and know wtf I'm talking about. I'm not a fanboy and couldn't give two ♥♥♥♥♥ about either Intel or AMD.

#1. Processor frequency is a measure of how many cycles a proecssor can do in a second, so a processor running at 3Ghz runs through 3 billion cycles per second. Don't look at processor frequencies when comparing CPUs, unless they are the same microarchitecture, frequency doesn't mean anything. Different microarchitectures will get more done in a single cycle than others.

#2. The FX9xxx processors are the same microarchitecture as an FX8320 except it is a higher binned chip meaning it can reach higher clock speeds easier.

#3. Single core performance is king in gaming. 99.99% of games do not use more than 4 main threads. CSGO only uses 3 threads (source: http://www.pcgamer.com/2014/02/04/how-to-configure-counter-strike-go-for-the-maximum-competitive-advantage/). What does this mean? It means that having more than 4 cores will do absolutely nothing to help you. I say 4 because having an extra core for Windows to run it's crap on is good.

An important note about hyperthreading, hyperthreading allows 2 threads to run on a single core. This means if you have a quadcore i7 with hyperthreading those extra threads will be useless. HOWEVER, that does not mean that games cannot use hyperthreading. This is a common myth. For example if you were using a dualcore i3 with hyperthreading, you would see performance benefits.

#4. Intel's singlecore performance is much, much better than AMD's. This is not fanboy crap, it's just fact. For reference you can look at these benchmarks in Skyrim, a notoriously singlethreaded game (http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/fx-8350-vishera-review,3328-14.html). You'll see that in the charts with lower resolutions and graphic settings (therefore not GPU bounding the FPS), the intel chips pull ahead. And this is just an i5-3570k, the newer Haswell chips improve on singlecore performance by generally 10% depending on the task.

Now I'm just going to give you my recommendation on all of this. I recommend the i5-4670k as one of the best gaming CPUs for the money right now. Especially when overclocked. You won't see many FPS gains from an i7-4770k, the only gains would be from a slightly larger cache memory.

My recommendation agrees with TomsHardware as well, a well respected website when it comes to hardware review. http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-cpu-review-overclock,3106-4.html

All that being said, CSGO is not that intensive of a game, but you said you wanted to hit 300FPS which is an ambitious goal that will require a good processor.