the more you play, the worse you get (ironic thread)

[Snattanzi]

It's been weeks that i'm stuck between masterguardian elite and distinguished masteguardian ranks. And it's been weeks that I make the same daily experience: when I play against players with a lot of hours played in cs go I often win, when I play against new Csgo-players I often loose.

Yesterday I played 5 games with my friends: 3 match in nuke, 1 inferno, 1 favela (<3).

The FIRST GAME WE LOSE 16-4 playing against a team made by:
- the top fragger 28-7 with 150 hours (I remember that when i was 150 hours I hardly see the enemies) of cs go and none of other CS.
- the second one with 21-10 score with 500 hours of Cs go and none of Cs
- the third one with 17-15 (not so impressive)score with 400 hours of Cs Go and 3200 of Css.
- the fourth one with 14-14 score with 900 hours of cs go
- the fifth one with 9-14 with 250 hours of cs go and none of others Css
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN CS GO: 2200 HOURS (900 of which was made by almost the worse one)
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN OTHER CS: 3200 hours

The SECOND GAME WE LOSE 16-2 against a team made by:
- the top fragger 19-6 with a private profile
-18-7 with 170 hours of Cs go and none in others Cs.
- 18-6 with 650 hours of Cs go and none in others Cs
- 16-12 with 17 hours of Cs go, the funniest one, who carried his team in the beginning and suddenly stops killing later in the game when we tell him that he was so "strange".
- the fifth one 13-11 with private profile
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN CS GO: 837 HOURS
TOTAL PLAYTIME OF OTHER CS: 0 HOURS

THE THIRD GAME WE WON 16-11 against a team, calling us "cheaters" made by:
- 16-18 with 230 hours of Cs go (even in the defeat the less experienced ones are the better... lol)
- 18-19 with 1500 hours of Cs go and 3500 hours of Cs1.6
- 12-24 with 700 hours of Cs go and 2200 of Css
- 16-25 private profile
- 14-24 with 750 hours of Cs go and 3300 of Cs 1.6
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN CS GO: 3180 hours
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN OTHER CS: 9000 hours

THE FOURTH GAME WE WON 16-8 against a team made by:
- 20-17 with 170 hours of Cs go and none of other Cs (as i said, even in the defeat the less you have played the better you are.. lol)
- 17-17 with 830 hours of Cs Go and 1500 of Css
- 18-18 with 250 hours of Cs go but 1300 of Css1.6
- 7-20 with 500 hours of Cs go (in fact it was a noob)
- 7-22 with 750 hours of Cs go
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN CS GO: 2500 hours
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN OTHER CS: 2800 hours

THE FIFTH GAME WE WON 16-11 against a team made by:
- 24-19 with 700 hours of cs go
- 23-22 p90 player with 820 hours of cs go and 2300 of cs1.6
- 17-22 with 900 hours of cs go and 1800 of css
- 14-23 with 250 hours of cs go and 1500 of cs1.6
- 3-17 with 1000 hours of cs go
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN CS GO: 3670
TOTAL PLAYTIME IN OTHER CS: 5600

And it's just ordinary. Everyday is the same thing. When I face a theorically noob team with 200 or less hour of gameplay I suck a lot, when I face a team with 1k hours I often win. It's so strange.

So, ironically, I often say that this game make you dumb.. the more you play, the worse seems you gonna become.

♥♥♥♥ing cheaters

[DuckieMcduck]

Cool math resolution, bro.

Hours clocked doesn't equal skill. Boom there goes your entire logic.
If it makes you feel better some people with absurd amounts of hours in the game make new accounts so they can play at lower ranks. Consequently they appear to have less time invested.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

Cool math resolution, bro.

Hours clocked doesn't equal skill. Boom there goes your entire logic.
If it makes you feel better some people with absurd amounts of hours in the game make new accounts so they can play at lower ranks. Consequently they appear to have less time invested.

Yeah, i have heard that excuse a lot of time: "it's a second account, dude, I'm clean".

And my question becomes: "what happened to your first account?"

I have only 1 account but it's enough cause I only have two hands and the capabilty to play only a game at once. What's the purpose to have a second account?

Hours clocked are not equal to skill, I agree with you.... for example I have 1300 hours playtime but sometimes I forget the game open, sometimes I watch some games instead of playing... I also know that if you spend 1300 hours in Deathmatch you are for sure better then one who spend those hours in fun.

But, for sure, when I was 300 hours I was way worse then now. Am i strange? I don't think.

The strange things is that when I start a matchmaking i'm used to watch the profiles of my opponents and learnt to fear those nooby ones. :)

[yoμr mvp]

play with one cheater and you will rank up fast. is the only way

[DuckieMcduck]

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

I have only 1 account but it's enough cause I only have two hands and the capabilty to play only a game at once. What's the purpose to have a second account?

I have no alternate accounts either. People who make up alt accounts have the possible following reasons:
- They want more drops so they get extra accounts to idle in.
- They want to preserve their relatively meaningless high matchmaking rank, but still want to play. So they go on a new account to not risk losing.
- They would like to partake in hacking and with little consequences.
- They'd like to go incognito.

Anywho, it's their right. I'm aware it can suck to some but it isn't really anything meaningful.

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

But, for sure, when I was 300 hours I was way worse then now. Am i strange? I don't think.

Some people have accumulated knowledge from other games which doesn't really transfer over to CSGO's clock.

Sure, investing time in the game is prompt to make you more adept to its gameplay and whatnot but it doesn't necessarily mean you're getting better by having more hours. It's not necessarily a direct equation.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by Tibi:

play with one cheater and you will rank up fast. is the only way

LOL

I don't want to rank faster. I want to play fair games against fair opponents. If i'll deserve i rank up, if i won't i'm fine with my rank.

I'm not so good but i'm sure to get some kills in every match and i'm sure to be capable to win some rounds (not always the match, it's obvious) against any team with my friends if the game is fair. Sometimes, it doesnt' happen and strangely it's ALWAYS when we face the theorically noob players.

Yesterday for example we decided to rush A the first one as t, in nuke. I watched the demo: three of them was going outside to throw the nade, suddenly they changed direction and throw those nades inside. Maybe they realized that they are going (covering three outside) to mistake and correct themselves? Maybe... maybe not. The strange things is that those strange things happens, ALWAYS, when i play against 300 or less hours players.

[IEPURELELELE]

I'm Gold Nova 3 ( i know it's a sucky sucky five dollar league but here is my story) . I sometimes have some gr8 days that i do something like 3 rounds solo , out of 20 or something like that. And i'm accused of cheating, because the clever ones think that if i don't know those abreviations or slangs of this game, i must hack.

If i don't care what 128 , 64, 32 tick means, doesn't mean i'm hacking . If i have no idea what those league names are supposed to be, doesn't mean i'm hacking. I've been assigned after finishing 10 wins to Gold Nova 1 and i got to Nova 3 while i have only 24 competitive wins( god knows how many losses) I have only 70h of play and that's a reason too that they accuse me of cheating. Those are actual pure play, never stood spect or with the game left open. Some indeed ask if this is my second account and when i say no they all start the junk thing that i had an older account but i tried to bypass VAC or whatever crazy story of what i tried to do. I'm surprised these guys don't know what pants momma used to wear that day.

Yes , indeed, a guy that has 150h to perform a lot better than a guy with 5k hours of all CS ... is something indeed spooky, but as the guy above said, it's not a direct equation and those are not the variables you are looking for.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

I have no alternate accounts either. People who make up alt accounts have the possible following reasons:
- They want more drops so they get extra accounts to idle in.

Silly excuse, in my opinion. A competitive make you play almost an hour to get a drop. A gungame, deathmatch or something else 10 minutes.

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

- They want to preserve their relatively meaningless high matchmaking rank, but still want to play. So they go on a new account to not risk losing.

Silly excuse, in my opinion. If you want to play hard games preserving your rank you can play Esea, Ungl, Esl... wherever you want. If you want just to play there are a lot of server of light competitive.

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

- They would like to partake in hacking and with little consequences.

Exactly... they are cheaters or were cheaters.

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

- They'd like to go incognito.

Who are they? Pros with second account with distinguished master guardian rank? LOL

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

But, for sure, when I was 300 hours I was way worse then now. Am i strange? I don't think.

Some people have accumulated knowledge from other games which doesn't really transfer over to CSGO's clock.

Sure, investing time in the game is prompt to make you more adept to its gameplay and whatnot but it doesn't necessarily mean you're getting better by having more hours. It's not necessarily a direct equation.

I know two really awesome COD player who made lans, tournaments ecc. as friend in CS. Initially they sucked so hard: now they have learnt the game and considering their previously aiming skill they are very good. But they have spent 700+ hours to become good.

CS is an hard game. I don't believe in natural born talent.

[DuckieMcduck]

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

I have no alternate accounts either. People who make up alt accounts have the possible following reasons:
- They want more drops so they get extra accounts to idle in.

A competitive make you play almost an hour to get a drop. A gungame, deathmatch or something else 10 minutes.

There's a drop limit, which you clearly don't know of, that resets every 7 days. You can only get a certain amount of drops per week in each account.

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

my opinion

ok

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

I don't believe in natural born talent.

There's no such thing as inherent knowledge of things yes, but talent exists and has to do with how quickly you're able to learn and consequenly reach further into the plane of whatever you're getting into.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

A competitive make you play almost an hour to get a drop. A gungame, deathmatch or something else 10 minutes.

There's a drop limit, which you clearly don't know of, that resets every 7 days. You can only get a certain amount of drops per week in each account.

So, go get thousands accounts to drop a lot of galil sandstorm.

Originally posted by UnluckyDuckie:

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

my opinion

ok

Originally posted by Sogno latte migliore:

I don't believe in natural born talent.

There's no such thing as inherent knowledge of things yes, but talent exists and has to do with how quickly you're able to learn and consequenly reach further into the plane of whatever you're getting into.

Talent exist but at a certain level (i think also in distinguished masterguardian level) the little things you have to learn make the difference. I'm not talking about low ranks in which the concept of prefiring, wallbanging ecc doesn't exist. In those games also a 6 hour player can get an ace: maybe he has played a lot of other fps, he can aim very well.... done.

I'm talking about those games in which if i get the head i survive, if i prefire well i survive... if I don't get the head I make 2 hit and die for an headshot. And those things it's possibile to be done only if you know where to place the crosshair even before you see the enemy, thanks to the experience. You can't make a lot of headshots, at a certain level, if you rely all in your aim ability, previously fps experience ecc.

If i play a map i don't know well I'll play a lot worse. Even if I have 1300 hours playtime. I don't know where to aim before seeing an enemy so i have to strafe when i face him, I haven't experienced any clutch situation, i don't know where to plant, where to cover the bomb, where to hide, where to prefire, where to wallband ecc. And i won't talk about smokes and flashes... Those are the "little" things that needs time to be learnt and make the difference. How can a 150 hours experienced player play well 4/5 maps he don't know (expecially if he haven't played other cs) so well (for sure, a map needs at least 70/100 hours to be partially known) I really don't know.

Too many cheaters in this game. It's a fact. And if you want to find them I suggest you to start from the players with less then 400 hours playing at mid-high level.

[僕の名前 (仮)]

You realize those people may be smurf accounts, since CS is discounted -75% many times.

[Sin]

Instead of checking steam profiles for time played, just type status in console and see how big their SteamID is. That will give you a better idea of how long they've been playing CS for. Either way, it isn't a good way to measure skill at all because someone who's played a lot of hours, maybe stopped for months and when they come back to the game they're rusty.

Also, making smurf accounts to play with lower ranked friends is fun.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by Hipster:

You realize those people may be smurf accounts, since CS is discounted -75% many times.

For which reason do i have to get a smurf account?

I have seen cs go a lot of times with -75 discounted offer but I have never tought about buying another account. For what purpose would i have to do it? For the 0,05 worth drops? LOL

I have an account, when I start windows it automatically connect... i don't have to login every time, i don't have to remember any password, i don't have to switch from an account to an another. If I want to play I start the game and play.

What's the meaning of having two accounts?
The only reason, in my opinion, is to cheat. In order to boost someone, in order to feel pro, in order to be an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, in order to simply try it... I don't know. But the only reason to get another account, in my opionion is because your first one is banned or you fear it would be banned because of the cheats you want to use.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by Sin:

Instead of checking steam profiles for time played, just type status in console and see how big their SteamID is. That will give you a better idea of how long they've been playing CS for. Either way, it isn't a good way to measure skill at all because someone who's played a lot of hours, maybe stopped for months and when they come back to the game they're rusty.

It's the other face of the coin. I'm not talking about this: i know that a 2k player can suck for any reason (maybe he is tired, maybe has you said he hasn't played since a while, maybe he is drunk....). I don't complain about it. If a 2k hours playtime player sucks it's ok. For sure he doesn't cheat.

The impossible thing is that a 100- player can play at good levels. It's impossible. But I often see that happens.

[Sin]

I just gave you another reason. To play with friends that are WAY lower than you so you don't have to try and carry a full team. It's convenient.

[Snattanzi]

Originally posted by Sin:

Also, making smurf accounts to play with lower ranked friends is fun.

I'm always playing MG or DMG. So, are those 20 hours players global elite who wants to play with their low ranked DMG friends?