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My theory on why Valve made Howl be discontinued.
Ok we know that they say it was copyright. And that was the reason for it's redesign. But why didnt they just replace the new one in the huntsman cases? Well to drive up the price ofc. Valve gains around what 10-15% off every purchase on the steam community market. What would you rather have? 10-15% of 90 euros or 10-15% of 36 euros? See what im saying... The reason they didnt just leave it in the case was this. But theres also another thing that was even more in their favor... The new skins M4A4 Desert Strike... They know that this is also gonna be a moderately expensive skin (even tho it looks like crap IMO) it is red + it is M4A4 so they are gonna earn even more money... Ofc they are a company and they need to make money.. But as to use that you put something copyrighted in your game at an advantage to earn even more money is tasteless in my opinion.. But this is where valve has been going for a while now, so what can i say...
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Bubblegum 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:13 
I'm not hating on your theory, I just don't think Valve is happy about what went down.

They could get sued for damages. Up for grabs:

All the money they made from every transaction of the copyrighted material.
All the money from transactions people made selling stuff to buy the copyrighted material.
Did the offending artists get more attention from the copyrighted material than they otherwise would have? All that money would be up for grabs too.

This is the kind of crap you have to put up with when you want to "feed" off your community workshop.
Bubblegum 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:16 
Oh yeah, if they do make tons of money like you argue, that money would be up for grabs in a lawsuit too.

It is endless.
J o n e x 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:18 
Valve have complete control over the market, complete control over the items, and complete control over the rarity. Why even bother complaining?
Snowej 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:32 
引用自 LucasR
I analised this ♥♥♥♥. But everyone only came and said "LOL you think that? LOL so wrong" they never actually came with an argument. Only opinions. I provided alot of arguments vs what now 15 peoples 0 arguments. You bunch truly should not be on a forum discussing things when you can only scream when people make claims against something you like

I explained it to you on the first page. I'll say it again.

They didn't leave the Howl in the Huntsman Case because it was a weapon designed by Auzzii and sic. They used a copyrighted image on their weapon without permission for profit. Therefore, all their submitted skins have been removed, and their accounts banned.

None of their skins drop anymore from the Huntsman case.

"but den why didn't value just left the new howl in the huntsman case" you might be wondering?

The Howl skin doesn't belong to Valve now that they've changed the design. Dealing with digital items that have already been purchased is difficult. You can't just have a recall. Throw trading into the mix and it's a right mess.

Is this the fault of paying customers or fair traders that already own an M4A4 Howl? Of course not, they've done nothing wrong. So how do we keep these people happy, whilst eliminating any and all copyright infringement?

Change the design to something similar, completely void of copyright infringement, and create a new 'contraband' category. This keeps your customers happy, and fixes the problem.

Could they have dealt with this differently? Perhaps. Mind you they've only had a few days to come up with this fix.

Is this an elaborate scheme to make Valve filthy rich?

I sincerely doubt it.
最后由 Snowej 编辑于; 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:33
CEO of Big-game fishing 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:42 
引用自 Snowej
The Howl skin doesn't belong to Valve now that they've changed the design.

"For owners of the M4A4 | Howl and Howling Dawn sticker, those items have been replaced by an alternative designed by the CS:GO team." Who then owns the new design? The CS:GO team? Asking you they don't apparently.. But who owns the howl skin now after it has been redesigned by Valve? I don't get it.
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引用自 LucasR
I analised this ♥♥♥♥. But everyone only came and said "LOL you think that? LOL so wrong" they never actually came with an argument. Only opinions. I provided alot of arguments vs what now 15 peoples 0 arguments. You bunch truly should not be on a forum discussing things when you can only scream when people make claims against something you like

I explained it to you on the first page. I'll say it again.

They didn't leave the Howl in the Huntsman Case because it was a weapon designed by Auzzii and sic. They used a copyrighted image on their weapon without permission for profit. Therefore, all their submitted skins have been removed, and their accounts banned.

None of their skins drop anymore from the Huntsman case.

"but den why didn't value just left the new howl in the huntsman case" you might be wondering?

The Howl skin doesn't belong to Valve now that they've changed the design. Dealing with digital items that have already been purchased is difficult. You can't just have a recall. Throw trading into the mix and it's a right mess.

Is this the fault of paying customers or fair traders that already own an M4A4 Howl? Of course not, they've done nothing wrong. So how do we keep these people happy, whilst eliminating any and all copyright infringement?

Change the design to something similar, completely void of copyright infringement, and create a new 'contraband' category. This keeps your customers happy, and fixes the problem.

Could they have dealt with this differently? Perhaps. Mind you they've only had a few days to come up with this fix.

Is this an elaborate scheme to make Valve filthy rich?

I sincerely doubt it.

Spot on
styleeee 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:52 
hahah what a story, u mad?

the revenue from the howl selling on market is like 0.0000001% on their budget
Snowej 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 7:57 
引用自 LucasR
引用自 Snowej
The Howl skin doesn't belong to Valve now that they've changed the design.

"For owners of the M4A4 | Howl and Howling Dawn sticker, those items have been replaced by an alternative designed by the CS:GO team." Who then owns the new design? The CS:GO team? Asking you they don't apparently.. But who owns the howl skin now after it has been redesigned by Valve? I don't get it.

I worded it poorly, I will admit. The assets obviously belong to Valve, since they've redesigned the image. I mean, the skin as an entity, stepping in and claiming it, to continue selling.

The weapon is still called a Howl and looks similar to the Howl, because paying customers purchased the Howl.

Changing the design is quickfix to their legal problem, and changing it to a 'contraband' item is their way of keeping the peace with customers. It's better to up the customer's investment than to have them lose money.

I imagine more legal problems in that case.

Anyways, I'm done. There's no sense in arguing with conspiracy theorists.
Andralyn de Bagschaghe 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 8:00 
Funniest thing ever is watching clueless people argue about IP law.
IEPURELELELE 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 8:03 
this thread is one of the best ever debated here IMO. i can sincerly say it's better than those with "OMG OMG I GOT VAC BAN PLEASE UNBAN ME "
Bulleta©™® 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 8:17 
Great, another gun randoms will say I shouldn't have because I'm not as good at the game as them and I should give it to them! I planned on keeping it before all this anyway and still will.
Yoda 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 11:12 
you sir are delusional
Shmoof 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 11:37 
Jealousy because he doesn't have an howl. Wow man. Just because you don't have one, its

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引用自 Storm
no. just stop. bad. trying to troll him just proves his point.
No these reactions are so hilarious. It just shows how a big bunch of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Valve fanboys are... Realise it people, Valve aint ognna make a new Half Life because they don't care what you kids want. They care about what they want. Money.
This argument is a complete fail tbh.
You say, Valve only wants money. That is the reason they don't make a new HL.
Well, afaik HL is a Game. Games cost money. You see where i get there? If they would only care about money, we already could have Half Life 10. But we don't.
hi (已封禁) 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 11:38 
and nobody needs to buy them to enjoy the game
CEO of Big-game fishing 2014 年 6 月 12 日 上午 11:41 
Lel keeping the discussion alive guys! Thanks :)
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