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Encrypt Aug 19, 2015 @ 2:54pm
"You can lose and still rank up" they told me
Well,
ladies and gentlemen its nice bull...stupid. I was demoted and the glorious mm system started giving me to the team unranked players. Of course my score was always positive (23/12/8, etc ... ) but yes i lose 3 matches in row because of leavers and unskilled players (im not mad at them i was unskilled too when i was starting).

So everyone who is asking how ranking system in CS:GO works i have an answer. Its not working.

Example:
Lost few matches = deranked
Won few matches with positive KDA = nothing
Lost 3 matches with positive KDA = derank again

Well done, going to play Faceit.

PS." Please dont tell me ranking system is based on statistics. My statistics was awesome last matches i also believed i will rank up even if I lost a match. Its not even close to the "based on statistics". Its about if you win match or lose.
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YouGotOwned Aug 19, 2015 @ 2:56pm 
I agree, matchmaking system sucks but be aware it is almost entirely based on whether you win or lose - try to find friends to play together, and then things should get easier. If you really are as good as you claim, ranking up whilst playing with decent teammates should be easy. If you don't mind me asking, what rank were you? ALSO be aware that the more games you play, the harder it is to rank up (takes longer) but also, harder it is to derank (also takes longer).
u silver
jayrome Aug 19, 2015 @ 2:58pm 
Originally posted by DraK:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=312582297
Elo Rating System in CSGO
One might ask, if Elo Rating system is used in 1-Versus-1 game sessions, how can it be implemented in a team-based 5v5 game such as CSGO? The answer is simple, every round (please bear in mind every ROUND, not every game) will be treated like a single game of chess wherein the team with higher Elo Points is expected to win. Each team consists of 5 players which may or may not have the same rank, therefore their total Elo Points will be considered for the purpose of prediction. Consequently, a player with less Elo Points than the rest of the team would lose (give to the enemy team) less points than one with more points in case of a Round Loss and vice versa.

Please bear in mind, that each Rank covers a seemingly wide range of Elo Points. For instance, two people with the same Rank may not have the same amount of Elo Points. A player close to promotion would obviously have more Elo Points than one close to demotion, even though both have the same Skill Group (Rank). A skill group is more like a tag on a certain range of Elo Points.

One other thing worth mentioning is the fact that the Elo Point range considered for deciding a player's Skill Group is NOT relative. What this sentence means is that for example if players with Elo Rating of 1000-1500 are considered MGE, when a player with 1450 Points gains 51 more points, he will advance to DMG but he WILL get demoted back to MGE if he loses the exact same 51 points in the next games. I explained this because another guide claimed that the seemingly slider used for deciding ranks gets "reset" on each promotion and/or demotion which I believe is false. The reason it's rare to derank on a loss immediately after gaining a rank is because it's unlikely to lose enough points to cause it NOT because the points are reset.

In order to shed some more light on this subject, I would provide you the following example, please bear in mind that the numbers and information provided is just for the purpose of this example and may not (and probably aren't) exact:

MG2 = 500-999 Points
MGE = 1000-1499 Points
DMG = 1500-1999 Points
LE = 2000-2499 Points

Team #1 consists of 4 MGEs and 1 DMG with a total points of 6900:
Player A = MGE with 1200p
Player B = MGE with 1350p
Player C = MGE with 1050p
Player D = DMG with 1850p
Player E = MGE with 1450p

Team #2 consists of 3 MGEs and 2 DMG with a total points of 6600:
Player F = DMG with 1600p
Player G = MGE with 1100p
Player H = MGE with 1050p
Player I = DMG with 1650p
Player J = MGE with 1200p

As we can see Team #1 has higher total points than Team #2 even though they have lower ranks. Consequently, Team #1 is expected to win rounds until they lose enough points to have less total points left than Team #2. Team #1 will gain less points on Round Wins than Team #2 because they are expected to win, but if Team #2 turns it around and Win Rounds they will take more points from Team #1 than the other way around. All points won and lost are taken from the oposite team, you don't get points out of thin air. If a player gains points, another most lose.

Even though Team #2 gains more Total Points if the win rounds, the points are NOT evenly distributed among its members. The member with less Elo Points gets a bigger share than one with more. Consequently if Team #2 wins a round and takes for example 100 Points from Team #1. Player H will get more points than Player I because he had less points. Each player will NOT get 20p.

The game does NOT predict if a Team is supposed to win a game or how many rounds a team is supposed to win. Every single round is treated as a chess match. The Team with more points is always expected to win until they lose enough to the opposite team for them to have more points. So a Team with more points always loses more points on Round Loss and gains less points on Round Win than the opposite team.

However, there is another factor taken into consideration which is MVP. MVP is given to a player which has done the most work for their team. Please note that a player with 5 kill can still lose the MVP to a person who defuses or successfully detonated the bomb. The reason for this is because, CSGO is a team-based game, a player can kill the whole enemy Team but still lose the round because he may not have the defuser to defuse the bomb in time.

A player with most point on each team is expected to take the MVP each round until someone else gains more points. If the player with most points gains the MVP, he will receive his predicted share of Elo Points deducted from the enemy team, however if another player receives it, that player will take some of the gained (those added because of the win, NOT his original points) Elo Points from the player with most points. In other words, any play who gains an MVP will get a SIGNIFICANTLY larger share of Elo Points than other players.

MVP does NOT generate Elo Points out of thin air, it only grants a larger share of the won points. If the player with most Elo Points scores the MVP, he will may or may not receive more points than the other players because it all depends on the setup of the team and how much points each player has. But generally speaking, scoring an MVP will have a huge impact on how much points a player receives for a Round Win.
Encrypt Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:00pm 
Originally posted by YouGotOwned:
I agree, matchmaking system sucks but be aware it is almost entirely based on whether you win or lose - try to find friends to play together, and then things should get easier. If you really are as good as you claim, ranking up whilst playing with decent teammates should be easy. If you don't mind me asking, what rank were you? ALSO be aware that the more games you play, the harder it is to rank up (takes longer) but also, harder it is to derank (also takes longer).

Of course you can ask. I was NOVA 3, i was starting to look forward to my rank up to nova master, etc and then i lost few matches with pretty bad score and it deranked me. Okay, i had really bad score so thats ok i will rank up again. So i played like 6 matches on NOVA 2 rank. I won 3 and lost 3 but every one of the match I really had positive KDA, MVPs, i was in first 3 places in team and few minutes ago after game inw hich i had a leaver and 2 unranked in team (they were all premade and nova 3s) i get deranked again to nova 1. Its like punch in the face.
Encrypt Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:01pm 
Originally posted by im pro:
u silver
yep ... just wait im going to play few more matches ill be silver soon and you can laugh :)
YouGotOwned Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:02pm 
Originally posted by Dualista Fintus:
Originally posted by YouGotOwned:
I agree, matchmaking system sucks but be aware it is almost entirely based on whether you win or lose - try to find friends to play together, and then things should get easier. If you really are as good as you claim, ranking up whilst playing with decent teammates should be easy. If you don't mind me asking, what rank were you? ALSO be aware that the more games you play, the harder it is to rank up (takes longer) but also, harder it is to derank (also takes longer).

Of course you can ask. I was NOVA 3, i was starting to look forward to my rank up to nova master, etc and then i lost few matches with pretty bad score and it deranked me. Okay, i had really bad score so thats ok i will rank up again. So i played like 6 matches on NOVA 2 rank. I won 3 and lost 3 but every one of the match I really had positive KDA, MVPs, i was in first 3 places in team and few minutes ago after game inw hich i had a leaver and 2 unranked in team (they were all premade and nova 3s) i get deranked again to nova 1. Its like punch in the face.

Pretty much just get a full team and play purely to win, train in custom maps to work on your aim, or go play another game which you enjoy more, and maybe come back to this one later. I understand it can be very tough to rank up w/ all the smurfs and bad teammates, but if you are stuck in Nova 2/3 then you still have plenty of room for improvement. Also, players keep getting better as you get higher so there's no point of ranking up to a point where you just get "smurfed on" every game by players who are just better. Improve yourself and find friends to play with :)
Encrypt Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:04pm 
Originally posted by YouGotOwned:
Originally posted by Dualista Fintus:

Of course you can ask. I was NOVA 3, i was starting to look forward to my rank up to nova master, etc and then i lost few matches with pretty bad score and it deranked me. Okay, i had really bad score so thats ok i will rank up again. So i played like 6 matches on NOVA 2 rank. I won 3 and lost 3 but every one of the match I really had positive KDA, MVPs, i was in first 3 places in team and few minutes ago after game inw hich i had a leaver and 2 unranked in team (they were all premade and nova 3s) i get deranked again to nova 1. Its like punch in the face.

Pretty much just get a full team and play purely to win, train in custom maps to work on your aim, or go play another game which you enjoy more, and maybe come back to this one later. I understand it can be very tough to rank up w/ all the smurfs and bad teammates, but if you are stuck in Nova 2/3 then you still have plenty of room for improvement. Also, players keep getting better as you get higher so there's no point of ranking up to a point where you just get "smurfed on" every game by players who are just better. Improve yourself and find friends to play with :)

You know ... you are actually right. I wanted to rank up so hard i didnt even realized i will get owned there unless i really deserve the rank. So whats the point of getting to MGE if i dont have a skill. Ill just playing on this rank improving myself and when the time and skill come i hope i will get higher :D
YouGotOwned Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:39pm 
No problem. I added you to help cheer you on and possibly help out. :)

PS: Tons of people may claim its true, but no, you can NEVER rank up from a loss. Never seen ANY proof in my 2 years of playing this game.
Cyborg Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:40pm 
Yes you can rank up with a loss, this happened to me. But i played very well.
And you can rank up with a tie too.
Last edited by Cyborg; Aug 19, 2015 @ 3:40pm
Encrypt Aug 19, 2015 @ 4:24pm 
Originally posted by YouGotOwned:
No problem. I added you to help cheer you on and possibly help out. :)

PS: Tons of people may claim its true, but no, you can NEVER rank up from a loss. Never seen ANY proof in my 2 years of playing this game.
Accepted :) thanks
thats why i was actually mad coz someone told me "you can rank up even if you lose but you have to play good" do i thought i played good last games and still deranked. nevermind I played two more matches after this ... once i was kicked because i didnt want to surrender (we were winning 9:2 with one bot) and second time won :D this game is mystery :D
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