So M4A1-s now.

[dvls]

Can we all agree that it has been overnerfed?

I cant understand a big ♥♥♥♥♥♥ reason why nerf it in the first place instead of buffing a4 to its level but whatever.
The accuracy nerf is quite understandable i'd say but RoF? How the ♥♥♥♥ are CT's supposed to win close duels vs TT's now? AK is now so far superior than both m4's in basically every way and the price change is meaningless.
You nerfed all of its meaningful factors which made sense of this gun and what? You left It removed from the game just like that? Hilarious.

And the armor penetration nerf is a perfect example of valve having 0 clue what they're doing.

Revert armor penetration and RoF nerf then we can talk. Anyway, if i'd balance the game I wouldn't touch a1 at all, but buff a4 anywhere instead. Like more damage in shorter range? That'd make sense, or even give it more mobility BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE - its smaller so by logic it weighs less and is more handy or anything but why the hell nerf best looking gun which also reminds everyone of cs 1.6 where it was one and only basic m4 for CT's.

[Eno]

From what I've heard, they're not planning to apply the armor penetration nerf, and the devs believe they're pretty balanced for now.

[Aleksi]

Postat inițial de deVulse:

Can we all agree that it has been overnerfed?

High rank usage statistics now:
47% a1
53% a4

How is that not balanced? Earlier a1 users were the overwhelming majority.

[dvls]

Postat inițial de Al:

Postat inițial de deVulse:

Can we all agree that it has been overnerfed?

High rank usage statistics now:
47% a1
53% a4

Is that not balanced?

Source?

Because im personally playing now in Supreme and trust me, like 4 out of 5 people use M4A4 and that is at least 80%. Also take a look at pro's, there are only few left who still use a1 over a4.

Postat inițial de Kaj3n:

Postat inițial de deVulse:

I love wrecking valve and their employees with their own fails at job.

The M4A4 can take on the AK if neither people can spray properly.

Also, I use the M4A1-S now because its easier to tap.

Dont you get it?
Fighting at close range is not really about perfect spray control its more about the gun (especially now) and that is WRONG.

So lets say it again.
A1 before the nerf had more Rate of Fire but AK had more damage so those 2 were pretty 50/50 in close range situations. Now A1 has lower RoF and lower damage just like A4 has so that puts TT's in a very favorable position. Get it?

[0utous]

M4A1-S is still op.

[Aleksi]

Postat inițial de deVulse:

Postat inițial de Al:

High rank usage statistics now:
47% a1
53% a4

Is that not balanced?

Source?

Verified valve dev on reddit

[Nitronumber9]

As someone who used the M4A4 extensively and switched over after the patch, I really can't see the fuss about it being near useless, its a pretty neat rifle overall.

[dvls]

Postat inițial de silversage:

M4A1-S is still op.

That must be the best argument i heard on this thread. Oh wait, all of them looks exactly like that lol.

Postat inițial de Al:

Postat inițial de deVulse:

Source?

Verified valve dev on reddit

Not gonna waste half day finding it but its 100% fake i tell you.
Just watch some pro's streams/tournaments after the nerf or just watch some global/supreme matches at CS:GO. If you find more than 1 person in team playing A1, well you're lucky as hell coz it didnt ever happen to me tho.

[DocCovington]

Postat inițial de deVulse:

but RoF? How the ♥♥♥♥ are CT's supposed to win close duels vs TT's now? AK is now so far superior than both m4's in basically every way and the price change is meaningless.

+1

I totally do agree on that.

[NotAGuarantee]

I think they should have muffed a4 a bit but the a1 is godlike at long distances. However, I don't mind the nerf as I used to use the m4a4 before and I like m4a4 over m4a1-s before the nerf. I'm weird.

[RomkaTomka]

200 hours pro lol get good noob

[roji]

Postat inițial de Kaj3n:

Postat inițial de deVulse:

I love wrecking valve and their employees with their own fails at job.

The M4A4 can take on the AK if neither people can spray properly.

Also, I use the M4A1-S now because its easier to tap.

Agree, m4a1-s being nerfed but having an advantage on long range and it is easier to tap rather than using M4A4 which is usually effective around cqb to medium range.

[dvls]

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Postat inițial de Kaj3n:

The M4A4 can take on the AK if neither people can spray properly.

Also, I use the M4A1-S now because its easier to tap.

Agree, m4a1-s being nerfed but having an advantage on long range and it is easier to tap rather than using M4A4 which is usually effective around cqb to medium range.

But disadvantage in short range is for both m4's as the main factors that count in short range are damage and rof and they remain the same while AK is so far superior in that area because of significantly higher damage and same RoF.
Thats why i say they shouldnt nerf RoF or they should buff rof for a4. Anything just to give some actual chance for ct's to fight at short range rather than running around with mag-7.

[dvls]

Postat inițial de hikux:

200 hours pro lol get good noob

Mad cuz bad? Or jealous?
Sorry for you, but there are some people on this world that understand and learn certain things faster and better than others. Some people call it talent.

[Aleksi]

Postat inițial de deVulse:

Postat inițial de silversage:

M4A1-S is still op.

That must be the best argument i heard on this thread. Oh wait, all of them looks exactly like that lol.

Postat inițial de Al:

Verified valve dev on reddit

Not gonna waste half day finding it but its 100% fake i tell you.
Just watch some pro's streams/tournaments after the nerf or just watch some global/supreme matches at CS:GO. If you find more than 1 person in team playing A1, well you're lucky as hell coz it didnt ever happen to me tho.

I see you are just a troll then since it took me 4 minutes to find it (without web history). I am not arguing with trolls so I unsub the thread, bye.

[dvls]

Postat inițial de Al:

Postat inițial de deVulse:

That must be the best argument i heard on this thread. Oh wait, all of them looks exactly like that lol.





Not gonna waste half day finding it but its 100% fake i tell you.
Just watch some pro's streams/tournaments after the nerf or just watch some global/supreme matches at CS:GO. If you find more than 1 person in team playing A1, well you're lucky as hell coz it didnt ever happen to me tho.

I see you are just a troll then since it took me 4 minutes to find it (without web history). I am not arguing with trolls so I unsub the thread, bye.

Good.

Maybe finally some people with actual knowledge, brain and game understanding come here so we can discuss properly.