The largest percentage of cheaters are in low ELO

[76561197963519852]

I've been talking with someone who works in the anti-cheat industry. I am not going to name them, but they work for a competitor that uses a kernel level anti-cheat.

The most of amount of undetected cheaters are in low ELO. The reason for this is:

"it just ends up playing out that way, because bans are largely based on visibility. harder you cheat, faster your account is evaporated. so, vast majority of games with a cheater are in lower ranks."

Add to this, based on Leetify's data library for season 1 rank distribution, 3k and 4k were the "mode" of the bell curve, aka the largest population of players. A rule of thumb at this point is:

more players = more cheaters

So take my rant with a grain of salt. I know the majority of trolls on this forum will outright deny what I say and attack me for being in low ELO. To you, I already have you blocked. Get a life.

To the rest of us, I hope you know that Valve doesn't care about it's game anymore. They do the bare minimum to keep it operational for the cheaters and bot farms whom they refuse to remove from interacting with the rest of us.

I saw a recent update about "steamlearn" and "cheat ID" but I'll believe something is changed when some of these major streamers and all their closet cheating alts are banned.

Until then, stay strong. Play something else.

You are more valuable than being fodder for a cheater to get his kicks.

[xaxa]

the highest % is clearly in 30k elo, we can see that in the leaderboard by looking at their demos..

anyway, you're right that it all boils down to not playing the game any more. the problem is that people can't help themselves and keep playing, quitting for a week or two just to get back on in the end.

[peon]

I wonder if valve doesnt do it on purpose.

Again im silver 4 on my main, gold nova 3 on my alt. Make it make sense.

From what I see, ranks really dont mean ♥♥♥♥. On my alt im constantly matched with legendary eagles and master guardians.

While being told how much I suck on my main.

I think it is all part of some algorithm that makes gambling people win more.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3377670310

I only ranked in to premier on my alt, I seen plenty of vac bans in the 10 placement matches and the five additional matches I played before giving up. I ranked in at 2000 elo, yes I didnt write that wrong, 2000 elo, and ive been playing this game for 25 years.

Valve is up to some shady ass ♥♥♥♥ but most of yall cant see it.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by peon:

I wonder if valve doesnt do it on purpose.

Again im silver 4 on my main, gold nova 3 on my alt. Make it make sense.

From what I see, ranks really dont mean ♥♥♥♥. On my alt im constantly matched with legendary eagles and master guardians.

While being told how much I suck on my main.

I think it is all part of some algorithm that makes gambling people win more.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3377670310

I only ranked in to premier on my alt, I seen plenty of vac bans in the 10 placement matches and the five additional matches I played before giving up. I ranked in at 2000 elo, yes I didnt write that wrong, 2000 elo, and ive been playing this game for 25 years.

Valve is up to some shady ass ♥♥♥♥ but most of yall cant see it.

Yeah, I'm right there with you.

"Make it make sense" and the truth is that it never will. It's definitely based on some hidden MMR that takes into account a ton of things that have ZERO to do with player skill and everything to do with 'engagement'.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by monster:

the highest % is clearly in 30k elo, we can see that in the leaderboard by looking at their demos..

anyway, you're right that it all boils down to not playing the game any more. the problem is that people can't help themselves and keep playing, quitting for a week or two just to get back on in the end.

30k is like .001% of all players.

[xaxa]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by monster:

the highest % is clearly in 30k elo, we can see that in the leaderboard by looking at their demos..

anyway, you're right that it all boils down to not playing the game any more. the problem is that people can't help themselves and keep playing, quitting for a week or two just to get back on in the end.

30k is like .001% of all players.

So..? Say you mapped amount of cheaters and the highest ratio of cheaters:legit players is at the top even if it's in 0.01% of players. It would make the most sense that the % decreases as you go down the ratings..

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by monster:

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

30k is like .001% of all players.

So..? Say you mapped amount of cheaters and the highest ratio of cheaters:legit players is at the top even if it's in 0.01% of players. It would make the most sense that the % decreases as you go down the ratings..

Except it doesn't, because those are the lowest hanging fruit and the smaller amount of players. Basically, if the anticheat is doing anything, it's cleaning up those ranks while leaving the lower ranks untouched.

[Frezmo]

define low elo

[xaxa]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by monster:

So..? Say you mapped amount of cheaters and the highest ratio of cheaters:legit players is at the top even if it's in 0.01% of players. It would make the most sense that the % decreases as you go down the ratings..

Except it doesn't, because those are the lowest hanging fruit and the smaller amount of players. Basically, if the anticheat is doing anything, it's cleaning up those ranks while leaving the lower ranks untouched.

The anticheat would not take rank into account so what you said doesn't make sense.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by Frezmo:

define low elo

5k and below.

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by monster:

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Except it doesn't, because those are the lowest hanging fruit and the smaller amount of players. Basically, if the anticheat is doing anything, it's cleaning up those ranks while leaving the lower ranks untouched.

The anticheat would not take rank into account so what you said doesn't make sense.

It's not what I said, it's what another anti-cheat lead for a competing game said.

[xaxa]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by monster:

The anticheat would not take rank into account so what you said doesn't make sense.

It's not what I said, it's what another anti-cheat lead for a competing game said.

Link?

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by monster:

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

It's not what I said, it's what another anti-cheat lead for a competing game said.

Link?

I'm not going to name drop them because I value my relationship with them.

That said, they're on Twitter and are open about their battle against cheaters.

And before you go saying "GamerDoc", no, it's not him.

[ktulu84]

that is absolutely not true

[xaxa]

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

Originally posted by monster:

Link?

I'm not going to name drop them because I value my relationship with them.

That said, they're on Twitter and are open about their battle against cheaters.

And before you go saying "GamerDoc", no, it's not him.

Well, it makes no sense logically for any anticheat to only focus on a specific rank. If not running all the time in all matches, it would be running in whatever games have potential suspicious gameplay, like several reports on one individual.

Rank doesn't come into it at all. There are basically no rage hackers in low elo as well, compared to 30k (or even just 25k).

[76561197963519852]

Originally posted by monster:

Originally posted by 76561197963519852:

I'm not going to name drop them because I value my relationship with them.

That said, they're on Twitter and are open about their battle against cheaters.

And before you go saying "GamerDoc", no, it's not him.

Well, it makes no sense logically for any anticheat to only focus on a specific rank. If not running all the time in all matches, it would be running in whatever games have potential suspicious gameplay, like several reports on one individual.

Rank doesn't come into it at all. There are basically no rage hackers in low elo as well, compared to 30k (or even just 25k).

You're missing out on what he said "harder you cheat"

That refers to both ragers and people willing to bend the rules of being a closet in order to get to higher ranks.

Basically, if you're a cheater using subtle cheats and you play as a casual, you'll be in low ELO and never gets picked up by the algorithm that's looking for cheat behavior.

It's simple as. Are these cheaters all top fragging? No, but it doesn't mean they're not in the game cheating as the play, using the logic of a cheater.

I hope you understand the subtlety here.