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Dick N Balls Jan 31, 2022 @ 11:27am
Is abusing the Exploit bannable ?
Is it ?
Originally posted by Steven Seagull:
This shouldn'be bannable. Remember when Valve added the flying scoutmen game mode? There you can have low gravity when you jump. That's something players could only do with an external hack until then. Did Valve ban everybody who played that game mode? No.

What's the difference now? Valve just added a new feature to the game what is available for EVERYONE to use, so it is not anti-competitive. If you don't use it, that's your choice. Knowing the smoke spots and smoking the sites are also something what gives you advantage. Do you get banned if you smoke B on Mirage? No.

It is also not known if this is a deliberate update to the game to make it more fun, or just a bug. Until Valve doesn't clarify it in an official statement what this is, nobody should be banned, it is part of the game, available for everyone, like smoke grenades and AWPs.

But just to be on the safe side, I don't play the game until this is fixed. Because if I play but don't use this new feature, I get unfair disadvantage to others. But if I use this then I might get banned.

Solution: don't play this broken game until this is fixed. (And until cheating will be only possible if you modify your hardware.)
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Steven Seagull Feb 1, 2022 @ 11:17pm 
Originally posted by funl:
Originally posted by Obama Gayming:
People cant make a valid argument:
*Proceeds to call me a troll and baiter.
your argument is not valid period. abusing the exploit is considered cheating. that is all there is to it. i dont understand why thats so hard for you to understand. There is no technicality behind it because, frankly, the only rules that exist in csgo are the ones the developers claim exist. this isnt something you can find a loophole in. it is fact that abusing this exploit is considered cheating by the game developers. hence why it was patched in under 2 days after discovery.

the only thing you could actually argue against is the true, literal meaning of the word "cheating". and at that point, this argument has strayed too far and becomes invalid. it becomes off topic.

i can only assume you dont care about whatsoever about the exploit itself, but rather trying to find a reason why it isnt technically cheating. but there isnt one.

You can't report someone for "cheating". Try it and see yourself. There are 3 categories of hacking, there is griefing and abusive chat/profile. Exploiting bugs is not hacking, it is griefing, or not even that. For griefing you don't get banned, you only receive a cooldown for a maximum of 14 days. It is that simple. Now you can stop arguing. The bug is patched anyways.
Prisoner87 Feb 2, 2022 @ 1:43am 
exploiting = ban

read the guidelines and tos
Hamsterpeek Feb 2, 2022 @ 1:44am 
Originally posted by Steven Seagull:
Originally posted by funl:
your argument is not valid period. abusing the exploit is considered cheating. that is all there is to it. i dont understand why thats so hard for you to understand. There is no technicality behind it because, frankly, the only rules that exist in csgo are the ones the developers claim exist. this isnt something you can find a loophole in. it is fact that abusing this exploit is considered cheating by the game developers. hence why it was patched in under 2 days after discovery.

the only thing you could actually argue against is the true, literal meaning of the word "cheating". and at that point, this argument has strayed too far and becomes invalid. it becomes off topic.

i can only assume you dont care about whatsoever about the exploit itself, but rather trying to find a reason why it isnt technically cheating. but there isnt one.

You can't report someone for "cheating". Try it and see yourself. There are 3 categories of hacking, there is griefing and abusive chat/profile. Exploiting bugs is not hacking, it is griefing, or not even that. For griefing you don't get banned, you only receive a cooldown for a maximum of 14 days. It is that simple. Now you can stop arguing. The bug is patched anyways.
Using glitches for your advantage is considered cheating.

Also the first griefing ban is 39 days long, second permanent. What you talk about is the new cooldown system which did not remove the old system.

I'm shocked how many people in this forum have no knowledge about such rules and have their moral compass set into such a wrong direction.
Kosuwu Feb 2, 2022 @ 1:44am 
Quick question did any of the people abusing this bug get banned or not?
If not then CSGO devs really are the worst in all honesty.

Also griefing can give you a 4 week cooldown not only 14 days...
14 days is the cap of grieifng cooldown for being reported ingame for grieifng.
But in overwatch you can minorly disruptive for griefing for about 4-5 weeks.
And if you get it twice it's perm ban.... Or wait what did csgo devs change this aswell?

But CSGO devs really havent done much at all for the game tbh.
New agents are bad voice commands from agents are bad.
New operation didnt bring a single coop strike mission and had same bug with star like last operation broken fang the big diffrence is that they didnt even fix it like they did last operation so at the end of buying all cases this year you are left with this +1 star. Also they dont patch exploits for stuff even when spoonfeed from major cheat developers. It's just a weird thing going on tbh.
Last edited by Kosuwu; Feb 2, 2022 @ 1:47am
Kosuwu Feb 2, 2022 @ 1:59am 
I check https://convars.com/csgostats/en/bans
And appernatly 31st 1st and today there have been lower amount of bans then just the days before. So i guess i found the answer to my question. Nobody got banned from exploiting and using this bug. Good work from the devs now we all know that the next exploit is just up to abuse aswell because they do nothing against the people who do. If you ask me they should set an example and ban people abusing it and if you ask me that might make some % of the user base think about what they are doing next time. Since its been abused comp i would say to ban for abuse in casual modes aswell as its still valve servers.... This really is bugging me tbh.... :/
Hamsterpeek Feb 2, 2022 @ 2:02am 
Originally posted by TheOneWhoDoesnt:
I check https://convars.com/csgostats/en/bans
And appernatly 31st 1st and today there have been lower amount of bans then just the days before. So i guess i found the answer to my question. Nobody got banned from exploiting and using this bug. Good work from the devs now we all know that the next exploit is just up to abuse aswell because they do nothing against the people who do. If you ask me they should set an example and ban people abusing it and if you ask me that might make some % of the user base think about what they are doing next time. Since its been abused comp i would say to ban for abuse in casual modes aswell as its still valve servers.... This really is bugging me tbh.... :/
That is a very bold assumption based on so few "facts".

You have exactly zero data.

Also it is common to punish glitch abuser later in a wave. That is what all companies do.
Dick N Balls Feb 2, 2022 @ 3:53am 
Originally posted by Hogarth:
Originally posted by Obama Gayming:
People cant make a valid argument:
*Proceeds to call me a troll and baiter.
im sorry but isnt that what you are doing? can you find a valid reason it shouldnt be considered cheating?
when did i call anyone a troll or baiter ?
deagle boy Feb 2, 2022 @ 3:57am 
Whats the exploit???
Dick N Balls Feb 2, 2022 @ 5:23am 
Originally posted by Πατερ Φαπαc:
Whats the exploit???
Open console bind "(RANDOM KEY)" Joingame
press Key 2 times before rejoining a MM round, get teleported somewhere.

And people should get banned for that (exploit is patched now)
PatchAdams Feb 2, 2022 @ 5:34am 
Originally posted by TheOneWhoDoesnt:
I check https://convars.com/csgostats/en/bans
And appernatly 31st 1st and today there have been lower amount of bans then just the days before. So i guess i found the answer to my question. Nobody got banned from exploiting and using this bug.

-Overwatch is not instant, the cases people review will not all be from matches that day

-Convars is a good site but it only has a fraction of games uploaded

-Any site that tracks bans will have a delay because AFAIK there are no sites that check all accounts automatically for game bans, and even if there were, the API would be limited to x number of calls per day
ass coupé Feb 2, 2022 @ 5:38am 
Originally posted by Steven Seagull:
This shouldn'be bannable. Remember when Valve added the flying scoutmen game mode? There you can have low gravity when you jump. That's something players could only do with an external hack until then. Did Valve ban everybody who played that game mode? No.
Your reasosning here is not only questionable, it is nonsensical alltogether. You aren't seriously comparing a gamemode Valve purposely implemented to something that is obivously a glitch, something that wasn't supposed to happen and work that way? Yikes dude.

Regardless, I still don't think people should get banned for using a glitch that is hardly useful in any situation besides pistol rounds.
Last edited by ass coupé; Feb 2, 2022 @ 5:40am
MIЯΛGΣ Feb 2, 2022 @ 6:03am 
you could just play it safe and not do it at all
⎛ PlamAtom ⎞ Feb 2, 2022 @ 6:10am 
Can Bug abuse be considert cheating?
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The fair play rules prohibit cheating, so it is necessary to determine if this is a method that is intentionally used to gain an advantage that does not normally and/or as a consequence of the combination of gameplay mechanics exist.

This bug is clearly not provided as a consequence. Boosting is a consequence that you can go on the head of a player because you can jump and he can crouch. This bug requires that you disconnnect at the end of the round and spam a button when you rejoin. So this is not a consequence that comes from the combination possibilities of the player related gameplay mechanics.

In the question of whether this bug is normal, you can also clearly say that it is not, because you sometimes end up in an area where you are stuck in a wall or outside the intended map boundary. Therefore, this is not normal. It is also not normal at all to be outside the spawn at the beginning of the round.

The intention exists when the player uses this bug several times after he realizes what it does. This would make this a cheating in my eyes. But words like Normal and Cheat do not have one strict definition.



Valves understanding
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The interpretation of Valve depends on their understanding of the word cheating and their interpretation of fair play rules. It depends on whether Valve assumes that the words in the fair play guidelines cover bug abuse or not or should not cover it at all.

I can only advise against the use of bug abuse. I personally don't know of any bans because of the Zeus or Flashbang bug, but that doesn't mean that Valve won't revisit it because of the new community interest and adopt a new policy against bug abuse.
Hamless Hog Feb 2, 2022 @ 7:58am 
Originally posted by Obama Gayming:
Originally posted by Hogarth:
im sorry but isnt that what you are doing? can you find a valid reason it shouldnt be considered cheating?
when did i call anyone a troll or baiter ?
Idk?

That’s not even what I was talking about.. so you don’t have any valid reason?
Steven Seagull Feb 2, 2022 @ 8:02am 
Originally posted by PlamAtom:
I can only advise against the use of bug abuse.

A lot of bugs became features. Remember bunny hopping in Quake 1? In the next versions it was a deliberate feature, not a bug. There can be plenty of examples. In Call of Duty 1, if you bound "killcam" to a button, similarly to this joingame thing, you could disappear from the map and spectate around. Even when you were defusing a bomb, and the bomb was defused while you were not even there. It was never fixed, so it is OK to use.
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