Confused about Trade Up Contracts

[RealHuhn]

So, I bought 10x MP7 Full Stop FN and used them for a trade up contract but I only got the SG 553 Bulldozer MW with a pretty bad float value of 0.10.
I was obviously aiming for the FN version.

Can someone explain to me how it works? Thanks.

[Carlos100]

You get the next group up but can still get random quality.

[GODZILLAMORPHEUS]

its random

[RealHuhn]

I highly doubt that. I never got anything else but FN skins in trade up contracts (when I only used FNs).
I think it has something to do with the fact that the SG 553 Bulldozer FN seems to be capped at ~0.08 float rather than the usual 0.0 float cap.

So maybe this specific trade up can be a random number between 0.08 - 0.15 when it's normally a random number between 0.00 and 0.07.
I know that a few MP7s were close to Minimal Wear, like 0.065 float.

Anyway, it sucks. FN is 20€ above MW.

[Carlos100]

Its random always has been always will be
Sometimes your lucky

[RealHuhn]

Originally posted by carlos100:

Its random always has been always will be
Sometimes your lucky

This is not true. People collect skins with high float values to assure that they get high float values in their trade up contracts. Their is a random element but only within a certain limit depending on the skins you use. Edit: Actually no random element. See few posts below.
Look at this video for example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksNnHDhMzpI

[Carlos100]

So you collected all the highest float value skins and put them in your trade up then?

[RealHuhn]

Originally posted by carlos100:

So you collected all the highest float value skins and put them in your trade up then?

No, my goal wasn't to get the highest float. I simply wanted to get the FN skin. Again, I think the SG 553 Bulldozer is a special case like the Mp7 Whiteout. I just don't know how it works exactly and I got ♥♥♥♥♥♥ because of it. =)

[Carlos100]

OMG so you put RANDOM fn in so you got random out

[Ballernciaga]

trilluxe made a video about it on youtube

[RealHuhn]

Originally posted by carlos100:

OMG so you put RANDOM fn in so you got random out

But I got a random MW instead of a random FN which is unusual. It never happened to me once in like 20 trade ups. That wasn't luck either.

Originally posted by Huiuiuiuiiiiii:

trilluxe made a video about it on youtube

Thanks

[She/Her]

Same happened to me, all FN and got MM. I think its 50% FN 50% MM

[RealHuhn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I-hwnrEMKA

Ok this is Trilluxe video which explains everything. As I suspected it happened because of the float cap of the Bulldozer skin at ~0.08. The float range of the skin is between 1.0 and 0.08, rather than 1.0 and 0.00.
That's why an FN skin of the MP7 Full Stop (which has a 1.0 -0.0 float range) can be seen as MW on the smaller scale from 0.08 to 1.0.

If you don't understand what I'm talking about, watch the video. He explains it more in depth. This only happens in special trade ups like this.

Edit: It's not random at all. It follows an exact formula and you can determine the exact float value you'll get before the contract. Good to know indeed.

[10.tacle^^]

the formula for the received skin float is this:

(maxfloat - minfloat) x averagefloatinput + minfloat

according to that, it's possible to get a mw skin out of 10 FN skins, if the average float of the FN skin input is quite high. It's also possible to get FN skins with 10 mw low float skins input. It's complicated. You can look it up on YouTube.

[RealHuhn]

Originally posted by RubberJ:

the formula for the received skin float is this:

(maxfloat - minfloat) x averagefloatinput - minfloat

according to that, it's possible to get a mw skin out of 10 FN skins, if the average float of the FN skin input is quite high. It's also possible to get FN skins with 10 mw low float skins input. It's complicated. You can look it up on YouTube.

Yeah, according to that formula (if I used it correctly), I would need 10x MP7s with a maximum float of 0.012. That's basically impossible. The Mp7 Whiteout FN which is worth a fortune has the same barriers regarding trade up contracts as the SG 553 Bulldozer it seems.

By the way, do maxfloat and minfloat of the skins you use for the trade up contract don't matter at all? Only the maxfloat and minfloat of the skin you want to get?