Cheaters in CS2 - how many? Well not so many apparently

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These couple of days the forum has been full of threads where people complain that VAC is useless and that CS2 is full of cheaters.

So, I took at look at the stats of about 20 forum posters who were either complaining or expressing a positive opinion about CS2 and below is the data.

Format: player ID - number of games played - premier elo - numbers of cheaters detected by csstats - the cheaters as a percent of games - the cheaters as a percent of player chance

01 - 340 games - 07216 premier - 09 cheaters - 02.64% per game - 0.26% per player
02 - 004 games - xxxxx premier - 00 cheaters - 00.00% per game - 0.00% per player
03 - 175 games - 19549 premier - 11 cheaters - 06.28% per game - 0.62% per player
04 - 117 games - xxxxx premier - 02 cheaters - 01.70% per game - 0.17% per player
05 - 044 games - 04714 premier - 05 cheaters - 11.36% per game - 1.13% per player
06 - 003 games - xxxxx premier - 01 cheaters - 33.33% per game - 3.33% per player
07 - 218 games - 06086 premier - 07 cheaters - 03.21% per game - 0.32% per player
08 - 031 games - xxxxx premier - 06 cheaters - 19.35% per game - 1.93% per player
09 - 119 games - 11165 premier - 09 cheaters - 07.56% per game - 0.75% per player
10 - 138 games - 04660 premier - 00 cheaters - 00.00% per game - 0.00% per player
11 - 653 games - 03781 premier - 46 cheaters - 07.04% per game - 0.70% per player
12 - 344 games - 13226 premier - 28 cheaters - 08.13% per game - 0.81% per player
13 - 119 games - 14999 premier - 28 cheaters - 23.52% per game - 2.35% per player
14 - 024 games - xxxxx premier - 06 cheaters - 25.00% per game - 2.50% per player
15 - 027 games - 13959 premier - 01 cheaters - 03.70% per game - 0.37% per player
16 - 088 games - 18525 premier - 15 cheaters - 17.04% per game - 1.70% per player
17 - 027 games - xxxxx premier - 02 cheaters - 07.40% per game - 0.74% per player
18 - 096 games - 10436 premier - 02 cheaters - 02.08% per game - 0.20% per player
19 - 329 games - 09666 premier - 15 cheaters - 04.55% per game - 0.45% per player
20 - 049 games - xxxxx premier - 02 cheaters - 04.08% per game - 0.40% per player

And the average results:

for about 3000 played games - with an average elo of 6900 - there's a 6.6% chance to have cheaters in your game.

Funny thing, most people who started threads about having rampant cheaters in all their games had usually the lowest numbers of cheaters encountered.

[dog]

Wow, this actually explains a lot.
The players complaining about cheaters are probably too bad to recognize actual cheats so they just resort to calling everyone cheaters

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

do you only consider banned players to be cheaters?

[VooDoo]

Originally posted by kabanod1m #NotoToxicity:

do you only consider banned players to be cheaters?

Exactly the same question I had. The statistics about banned players doesn't mean anything. So if the statements of the player is correct mostly or even by 50%, so the real amount is much higher. A bad system catching in a bad range the cheaters.

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Originally posted by kabanod1m #NotoToxicity:

do you only consider banned players to be cheaters?

Yes, I had to rely on 3rd party data and not just stats. So, unless the csstats showed an account as BANNED, I did not count any of the players as cheaters.

[ωΘηÐ∈尺₷ŁΛƔξℛ]

Valve made it even harder to detect cheaters in casual games.

1) they removed kill cam from CS2
2) they removed damage report at console from CS2
3) they removed overwatch from CS2

Looks like valve wants cheaters have it easy to cheat and being harder to detect. Otherwise I don't understand why they doing it :(

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by YT @instituteofgamin:

Originally posted by kabanod1m #NotoToxicity:

do you only consider banned players to be cheaters?

Yes, I had to rely on 3rd party data and not just stats. So, unless the csstats showed an account as BANNED, I did not count any of the players as cheaters.

well that's the reason why cheater count looks so low. because cheaters aren't getting permanently banned nowadays. that's exactly what people are complaining about

[Green]

a lot in death match probably in 20 matches in other game modes in my experience

[TheLevelCap]

Those results don't make any sense.

The claim is that VAC is useless, meaning it's not catching cheaters, then you show data showing that there aren't many cheaters taking into account the ones it caught? But what about those it hasn't caught yet? (the main purpose of the complaints?).

This better be some award farming post bcoz omg...

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Originally posted by kabanod1m #NotoToxicity:

Originally posted by YT @instituteofgamin:

Yes, I had to rely on 3rd party data and not just stats. So, unless the csstats showed an account as BANNED, I did not count any of the players as cheaters.

well that's the reason why cheater count looks so low. because cheaters aren't getting permanently banned nowadays. that's exactly what people are complaining about

On csstats I have access to a lot of data and I got time to parse it.
So, what behaviour would you consider to be a "cheater profile" ?

What I can safely use at the moment, for players with over 10 games played are:
- Headshot percentage of 100% on more than 3 non-sniper weapons
- very bizarre win percentages for 1v5 clutch (anything over 20%)
- weapon accuracy of 100% for too many non-sniper guns
- bizarre win percentage for maps where common distribution would be 60-40

What else can be added?

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Originally posted by TheLevelCap:

Those results don't make any sense.

The claim is that VAC is useless, meaning it's not catching cheaters, then you show data showing that there aren't many cheaters taking into account the ones it caught? But what about those it hasn't caught yet? (the main purpose of the complaints?).

You simply considered everyone else wasn't cheating.

Here is the link for your stats:

https://csstats.gg/player/76561199104591389#/players

That link will take you to the list of players who you played with and against. You can parse it player by player and except for those who are already banned, if you suspect another one of being a cheater, you can look at his stats. Now, when you look at the stats you can easily determine if he is or not a cheater.

Chances are, someone you believe is using cheats actually is not.

But, if you suspect someone from that list, who isn't banned, was using cheats, send me a private message and hopefully I can get some tips on how to better spot cheaters.

[Fäiry Réeâlm]

sir ,,... this is North America ,,... youre lucky this is Canada

[PatchAdams]

Originally posted by YT @instituteofgamin:

Now, when you look at the stats you can easily determine if he is or not a cheater.

Nonsense.

I once ran across someone with a KDR of 0.07 who had a VAC ban for CS.

Your assumption seems to be that everyone cheating is rage hacking against innocent players, and therefore has high KDR.

But even in a full HvH game, someone will be much better, and the guy who is 2-17 is still cheating.

There is i also no point bringing up the stats of people who responded to you. That's a useless ad hominem that doesn't address your faulty methodology.

[kabanod1m #NotoToxicity]

Originally posted by YT @instituteofgamin:

Originally posted by kabanod1m #NotoToxicity:

well that's the reason why cheater count looks so low. because cheaters aren't getting permanently banned nowadays. that's exactly what people are complaining about

On csstats I have access to a lot of data and I got time to parse it.
So, what behaviour would you consider to be a "cheater profile" ?

What I can safely use at the moment, for players with over 10 games played are:
- Headshot percentage of 100% on more than 3 non-sniper weapons
- very bizarre win percentages for 1v5 clutch (anything over 20%)
- weapon accuracy of 100% for too many non-sniper guns
- bizarre win percentage for maps where common distribution would be 60-40

What else can be added?

there is no "cheater profile" nowadays (unless for throwaway accounts for rage hacking), now that overwatch is gone and VAC's database of cheats is no longer maintained — anyone can play with wallhack and will never get banned for it unless they end up in premier leaderboard or their cheat gets added to VAC's database.

I have a good example cheater (naming and shaming will get me banned) that plays very rubbishly (probably a silver 1 or something — doesn't know how wallbangs work, always looks at the floor, etc), but still ends up winning almost every match and still ends up at the top of the leaderboard, just because he shoots people through smokes and walls, and knows where they will come from.

because he doesn't do anything intentionally and doesn't know the game much his smoke kill amount, headshot rate with any weapon and wallbang kills are pretty much the same as of any other player. but one such cheater is literally enough to win a game where skill levels are mostly equal.

if you want more information on such cheaters — add me and we can try investigating such specimen more in-depth maybe. :D I'm going to bed now, so I'll accept you tomorrow

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yeah,i just want points

[Janne]

Originally posted by YT @instituteofgamin:

Originally posted by kabanod1m #NotoToxicity:

do you only consider banned players to be cheaters?

Yes, I had to rely on 3rd party data and not just stats. So, unless the csstats showed an account as BANNED, I did not count any of the players as cheaters.

so this doesnt explain anything does it? Because the majority of all rage hackers seen those months are still not banned