Low rank competitive is strange.

[hsf_]

This could simply be a trust factor issue, though I would like to say that I believe that to be unlikely and I will explain why.

I'm playing at the Gold Nova ranks and in a lot of the games I'm playing there are often high level faceit players, some of which have almost reached 3000 ELO. Now I believe these to be legitimate players, they have thousands of matches on Faceit at a high level ELO, they compete at a high level and at least to my eyes, and despite my lack of skill compared to these players I am very experienced and can see 'tells' from cheaters when reviewing demos. Yet they don't have any 'tells' that they are cheating to me.(You can argue with me all you like about them being legit, I don't care).

Now I'm fully prepared to accept and respect that these players are simply better than me, I'm totally fine with that. My issue is that I am playing Gold Nova and which ever team this player or players are on, usually dominates and hands out a one-sided beaten down.

If it's a loss for me then myself and the other 4 players on my team don't have any fun because we're given no chance.
If it's a win for me then ok, thanks for the carry but I personally didn't have any fun... I didn't see many enemies because you rushed and killed everything.

Something else I should note and I think it's quite pertinent. Because of these players playing at such a low rank compared to their skill level, whichever team is losing starts throwing cheat accusations. I think this is a contributing factor to people's perspective on the volume of cheaters in this game.

With that in mind, could something be done about this? Perhaps linking Faceit accounts to matchmaking profiles would help balance the ranks more? Assuming it's even possible to link accounts and matchmaking profiles.

[skOsH♥]

Nah you're partially right, that's what drives people to start cheating

[N1xara]

You can beat them easily, try to apply this before playing your first game tomorrow. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jPrIn8ejKc

[󠁳Chiyoko]

That's because of weird calibration rank system in CS2.
In CS:GO for 10 first wins in a row you would get LEM. In CS2 after two wins you most likely get silver. This is why tons of ex GE players got into low ranks.

[♛⁧Schultheiß]

Just because someone has a lots of faceit matches, doesn't automatically mean they aren't cheating.

[hsf_]

Originally posted by Schultheiß:

Just because someone has a lots of faceit matches, doesn't automatically mean they aren't cheating.

Well that is why I gave multiple reasons for why I don't think they were cheating.

Originally posted by tacticat:

That's because of weird calibration rank system in CS2.
In CS:GO for 10 first wins in a row you would get LEM. In CS2 after two wins you most likely get silver. This is why tons of ex GE players got into low ranks.

This makes sense unfortunately. I remember when CS2 first came out and you still had to get 10 wins per map - even then people were winning 10 in a row and still getting a low rank.

So it seems Valve needs to rework the formula and reset the ranks.

[waiting for cs3]

yes

[skOsH♥]

Someone made a really good video on yt that goes into how faceit scores elo and they figured out a better way to calculate ranks for both faceit and for the cs2 in game ranks.

They aggregated millions of matches, filtered everyone's stats and included variables that would actually more closely calculate someone's skill.

I don't remember who uploaded it, but often times they found people who were supposed to be at a certain rank out of all players, some of whom were millions away from their actual true rank based on stats.

It was some comparison with glicko2, elo, csgo, cs2, faceit, and premiere

Truth is, most people are not correctly placed. I don't think the elo system has enough variables.

It's more accurate on faceit if you can get their freaking servers to allow a full match to be played, but faceit still has some metrics they would also need to implement into their elo calculations to get everyone as close to their true placement as they should be.

[KaaliTukku642]

very funnu low rank game play

[PatchAdams]

It's partly because of what skOsH says, and partly because the Valve system builds in a horrible rank decay penalty for not playing. Many people who play Faceit only play on Valve servers to warm up, or to get drops.

It's also partly the opaque Trust Factor system, which can intentionally pair players with and against cheaters on Valve. No such thing exists in Faceit.

So with an already bad ranking system that is essentially based purely on rounds won, many more cheaters on Valve servers than on Faceit (deflating Valve ranks), the possibility that a player is being intentionally placed with cheaters even if they aren't cheating, and huge artificial rank decay, Faceit ranks are definitely more representative of an individual player's skill.

[vvv]

if there are only a handful of global elites in the world, and silver 1 is more common than mge, then you know something's wrong.