Is 3k Premier the new unsurpassable Silver?

[Advokaiser]

I remember some time ago, Silver was pretty much impossible to rank up from.

Also, people that already had the privilege to jump over to 10k or more in their first few matches seem to not realize just how extremely stacked the lower elos are... From Silvers to freaking LEMs. I dare one of those guys to build their ways up starting from 1k if they think it's so "easy".

When is matchmaking finally gonna be fixed?

[76561197963519852]

Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

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I do not trust Dima.

You could always just look at the comments. Is there anyone you do trust?

I trust myself and that's it when it comes to counter strike. I've seen and played against one too many cheaters to come to any other conclusion.

[nemash]

Postat inițial de Hamsterpeek:

Dima, the guy who you did a video with, just made a new video where he did 100 premier matches and listed how many matches had cheater. He made a new acc for the first 22 matches and didn't meet that many cheater - and that was at the start of cs2 where we had more cheater than in the recent months.

He had more cheater on his main account which is at 20k+ elo. As statistics show at 18k rating it starts to increase with cheater a lot.

Cheater statistically win more often, many of them have way above 90% win rate so most cheater will not be in low elo for long.

So people especially below 10k elo will not have many problems with cheater. And even when he played against cheater ~50% of the time he won most games and gained premier points.

You know may "Ray" account and know that it has 50%~ of matches with cheater and I still ranked up til LEM within just few matches. That's because I even won against spin botter and other rage cheater from time to time (honestly I have no chance against rage-cheater as long they at least know a little bit about this game, they were REALLY bad even with cheats).

That's what I always say. It's an issue in higher ranks not in Silver.

But I'd be careful with all the creators content. Most even big CS streamers have to play "untrusted" to use third party streaming software like OBS. The only one I know was talking about this issue was "TrilluXe". When you play untrusted you get naturally more cheaters and your trust factor is messed up too. So I'd ask every streamer who complaints about cheaters, if he plays untrusted for streaming.

The only way to avoid this is using a streaming setup via capture card and second upload PC. Most streamers don't bother to do this effort.

[Hamless Hog]

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Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

You could always just look at the comments. Is there anyone you do trust?

I trust myself and that's it when it comes to counter strike. I've seen and played against one too many cheaters to come to any other conclusion.

Okay so can you find a single person that gets more cheaters than legit players?

[76561197963519852]

Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

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I trust myself and that's it when it comes to counter strike. I've seen and played against one too many cheaters to come to any other conclusion.

Okay so can you find a single person that gets more cheaters than legit players?

Can you show me a single legit Solo-Q player in 30k?

[Hamless Hog]

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Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

Okay so can you find a single person that gets more cheaters than legit players?

Can you show me a single legit Solo-Q player in 30k?

I never claimed there were any, what does this have to do with anything? Youre just derailing at this point. I was asking if you had evidence of your claim.

[76561197963519852]

Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

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Can you show me a single legit Solo-Q player in 30k?

I never claimed there were any, what does this have to do with anything? Youre just derailing at this point. I was asking if you had evidence of your claim.

I was asking if you could show me a Solo-Q legit player in the highest ranks in the game. That to me seems like just as impossible of a task as proving to you that people face closet cheaters who tilt matches at will with unfair advantage.

[Hamless Hog]

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Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

I never claimed there were any, what does this have to do with anything? Youre just derailing at this point. I was asking if you had evidence of your claim.

I was asking if you could show me a Solo-Q legit player in the highest ranks in the game. That to me seems like just as impossible of a task as proving to you that people face closet cheaters who tilt matches at will with unfair advantage.

Why are you asking me? I think you have me confused with someone else here.

Could you address the question I was asking about if you knew of anyone getting cheaters as often as you had claimed? It just doesnt sound realistic.

[76561197963519852]

Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

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I was asking if you could show me a Solo-Q legit player in the highest ranks in the game. That to me seems like just as impossible of a task as proving to you that people face closet cheaters who tilt matches at will with unfair advantage.

Why are you asking me? I think you have me confused with someone else here.

Could you address the question I was asking about if you knew of anyone getting cheaters as often as you had claimed? It just doesnt sound realistic.

How do you know when someone is closet cheating?

[peon]

Boy Anything that actually start as a fruitful attempt at discussion.

I know 100% how its going to end once a certain someone gets involved with the argument.

[76561197963519852]

Postat inițial de Hamsterpeek:

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I do not trust Dima.

Objectively he is trustworthy. He isn't cheating and is just having fun, doesn't take the game too seriously but still is good.

The only two arguments you've against him is that he has "wallhack" in his name and that he is a good player and you think he is too good to be legit. That beeing said many are much better than him.

He's part of a collective and they're all doing "it"

Just curious, have you ever suspected any YTer of also being a closet cheater who actively lies and feeds their audience disinfo, to include, pointing out other people closet cheating, while professing innocence themselves?

[Hamless Hog]

Postat inițial de 76561197963519852:

Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

Why are you asking me? I think you have me confused with someone else here.

Could you address the question I was asking about if you knew of anyone getting cheaters as often as you had claimed? It just doesnt sound realistic.

How do you know when someone is closet cheating?

Why do you keep quoting me if youre just going to ignore the comment?

Ive already answered this.

[vee]

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Postat inițial de nemash:

Okay I have a higher win rate than you but I don't complain about loosing because I just play bad. You blame cheaters for your losses, I don't. That's what it has to do with your attitude.

I have lost unfairly to cheaters. This has negatively affected my rank and win percentage.

I don't know why you think that's "blame" because to me that's just common sense.

Since you aren't 5 stacking with other players regularly isn't it fair to assume you've also won matches you shouldn't have because of cheaters on your team?

[Hamsterpeek]

Postat inițial de nemash:

Postat inițial de Hamsterpeek:

Dima, the guy who you did a video with, just made a new video where he did 100 premier matches and listed how many matches had cheater. He made a new acc for the first 22 matches and didn't meet that many cheater - and that was at the start of cs2 where we had more cheater than in the recent months.

He had more cheater on his main account which is at 20k+ elo. As statistics show at 18k rating it starts to increase with cheater a lot.

Cheater statistically win more often, many of them have way above 90% win rate so most cheater will not be in low elo for long.

So people especially below 10k elo will not have many problems with cheater. And even when he played against cheater ~50% of the time he won most games and gained premier points.

You know may "Ray" account and know that it has 50%~ of matches with cheater and I still ranked up til LEM within just few matches. That's because I even won against spin botter and other rage cheater from time to time (honestly I have no chance against rage-cheater as long they at least know a little bit about this game, they were REALLY bad even with cheats).

That's what I always say. It's an issue in higher ranks not in Silver.

But I'd be careful with all the creators content. Most even big CS streamers have to play "untrusted" to use third party streaming software like OBS. The only one I know was talking about this issue was "TrilluXe". When you play untrusted you get naturally more cheaters and your trust factor is messed up too. So I'd ask every streamer who complaints about cheaters, if he plays untrusted for streaming.

The only way to avoid this is using a streaming setup via capture card and second upload PC. Most streamers don't bother to do this effort.

You're absolutely right. You need to use -untrusted or whatever the launch option command is to stream. That's why I stopped streaming when valve implemented it because I rather play against less cheater than stream and face more cheater. Using that command automatically lowers your trust factor for the duration of time you use that launch option but without you can't stream.

The reason valve did that is because somehow some cheater could abuse something in OBS to cheat, I have no idea what exactly they did.

Not sure if dima uses a capture card or the command.

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Postat inițial de Hamless Hog:

Okay so can you find a single person that gets more cheaters than legit players?

Can you show me a single legit Solo-Q player in 30k?

How many people have 30k+ currently? 0-1 player? I'm not ingame right now but surely not that many more.

Either way in the top 1000 we can easily say that like 950 people are cheating

[Hamless Hog]

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You could always just look at the comments. Is there anyone you do trust?

I trust myself and that's it when it comes to counter strike. I've seen and played against one too many cheaters to come to any other conclusion.

You went from 90% to 50% to 10%. this doesnt sound trustworthy info.

[Hamsterpeek]

Postat inițial de 76561197963519852:

Postat inițial de Hamsterpeek:

Objectively he is trustworthy. He isn't cheating and is just having fun, doesn't take the game too seriously but still is good.

The only two arguments you've against him is that he has "wallhack" in his name and that he is a good player and you think he is too good to be legit. That beeing said many are much better than him.

He's part of a collective and they're all doing "it"

Just curious, have you ever suspected any YTer of also being a closet cheater who actively lies and feeds their audience disinfo, to include, pointing out other people closet cheating, while professing innocence themselves?

I can not give you an answer to that because I don't really watch any CS youtuber or streamer (beside 3kliksphilip/pengiun/mrmaxim/book of counter strike/voo/some insight guides for higher skilled player, so just nice guys). When I watch youtube it's most of the time some stuff like b is for build etc. and I only watch streams when there is a bigger tournament.

But I know some youtuber/streamer because I've them in my FL and saw a lot of videos/streams here and there randomly from them. Those I saw never cheated.

He also isn't part of any "collective".

What you mean is the part of collective who are nice and good with each other, respect others and are skilled.

Yeah. We just had a tournament of player like that and the "collective" collected 15.000 dollar for childs with cancer to give them a nice time...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaZe9ONP_P0