Add a Report Smurf function

[Stay70573]

Now, I doubt this will escape from any sort of real anger or scrutiny, but frankly, I feel this might be a very good idea for those of us who don't want to deal with smurfs or derankers.

Much like reporting for hacking or griefing, I propose another report option for smurfs. Now, to be clear, the conatation of a report is there will be a punishment, though in this case, it could be considered one in what I would offer, but for the most part, there would no bans or timeouts given.

Rather, if a player receives enough smurf reports, and has been reviewed by overwatch (to some degree), then that account is then placed in a seperate queue, specifcally one filled with ONLY smurfs and derankers. Once in said queue/specific match up system, you are unable to leave. You could absolutely invite your non smurf friends, but they must be willing to contend with other smurfs.

Now, let's be clear. I do not own a smurf. I do not intend to, or desire to. And I don't see any real purpose to smurfing, other than to let better players pick on players who aren't as good. The argument could be made that you want to play with your friends, but at the expense of everyone else it's not necessarily fun nor is practical, for if you carry your friends, then they may end up with a MGM rank but with the skill set of a GN2. Not good for them either.


Me? I am a GN1, who fluccates between GN1 and GN4. I'm not a great player, and I have no real interest in getting past MGM. I just want to relax, and play a fun game with my friends. That's all I want. And in that way, smurfs often ruin that fun, making what should be a balance (ish) match into a lopsided slaughter. What fun is that for the other team.

And as far as it goes, people will buy smurfs for whatever reason they want. With this function in mind, maybe they won't, and it would force players to consider where they want to play and with whom. To Valve, if a player really want's to keep smurfing, guess what? They have to spend money to get another account either way, but this way, it means it's more of a one time use, over an elongated period.

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Trust me mate i bet there will be some butthurt smurfs here being rude in any sec by seeing that your against smurfs

[76561198159189307]

Lol. Give me one good reason I wouldnt just spam report every single person I meet for smurfing to ruin their accounts?

[Paragon]

add a report cry baby function

[juup -rng]

Thing is, the smurfs can be helpful, they actually help lower skilled players improve. I don't know how, but it did help me.

[Sweet Chikorita]

Take the opportunity of facing smurfs to learn some from them instead of hitting the "whine button" and complain.

[Stay70573]

Sweet Chikorita の投稿を引用：

Take the opportunity of facing smurfs to learn some from them instead of hitting the "whine button" and complain.

Here's the problem. I made it clear, doesn't interest me, I just want a nice fun game, that's it.

But if you ever get stomped, prove to me you won't go on tilt and get salty. Cause that's almost everyone who plays. Not gonna work that way.

Besides, were I to lose a FAIR game? Sure, your argument is valid. But a stacked game is something different.

[Stay70573]

TOGGLE ON OFF の投稿を引用：

Lol. Give me one good reason I wouldnt just spam report every single person I meet for smurfing to ruin their accounts?

Same reason not everyone who gets reported for hacking get's a ban?

[Stay70573]

Kek の投稿を引用：

Thing is, the smurfs can be helpful, they actually help lower skilled players improve. I don't know how, but it did help me.

It could be easily addressed by offering a secondary queue as "Training queue" which allows non smurfs to willing join the smurf queue to improve.

[Tulião Caminhoneiro]

Concordo mano.

[Mis-Teeq]

I'll ask 1 question you don't have the answer for.

How do you PROVE someone is smurfing?

Reports = SMURF now?

So I can get all my friends to report someone for smurfing to mess them over? Nice.

Fact is, you can't prove someone is a smurf, and an overwatch system DOES NOT and WILL NOT have any relevant information to determine whether or not someone is a smurf.

You CANNOT tell who's smurfing, an overwatcher has NO information that would even tell them that someone is possibly a smurf or not.

Your entire idea is worthless because you ignore the biggest flaw, the flaw being you can't tell who's smurfing or not. Not to mention the other biggest flaw... SMURFING ISN'T AGAINST THE RULES.

[Stay70573]

Mis-Teeq の投稿を引用：

I'll ask 1 question you don't have the answer for.

How do you PROVE someone is smurfing?

Reports = SMURF now?

So I can get all my friends to report someone for smurfing to mess them over? Nice.

Fact is, you can't prove someone is a smurf, and an overwatch system DOES NOT and WILL NOT have any relevant information to determine whether or not someone is a smurf.

You CANNOT tell who's smurfing, an overwatcher has NO information that would even tell them that someone is possibly a smurf or not.

Your entire idea is worthless because you ignore the biggest flaw, the flaw being you can't tell who's smurfing or not. Not to mention the other biggest flaw... SMURFING ISN'T AGAINST THE RULES.

It's not necessarily hard to tell whose smurfing. When the silver 2 has 40 kills against a group of GN3, you know 80% of the time it's a smurf. When someone consistantly outplays and out manuevers people in lower end queues, and can constantly 1v3 or more, that's not normal. You may very well get a good game, but constant games? Might be a smurf. Or when people just say they're a smurf.

You mention overwatch. Simply put, a secondary message saying "This is a overwatch for smurfing." That's it, people don't have to participate in overwatch if they don't want to, but simply letting people know "You have 1 regular overwatch and 1 smurf overwatch case available" let's them know what they are looking at.

But as your point out, it's not against the rules. And that's why there is no PUNISHMENT.

You seem to ignore the fact that the only kind of punishment is letting the smurfs fight each other. A fair fight all around. Let them duke it out and decide who is the better smurf, simple as that. There's no bans involved, nor any time outs or any sort of preventative play measurments.

[Mis-Teeq]

Sir Swags-a-little-bit の投稿を引用：

Mis-Teeq の投稿を引用：

I'll ask 1 question you don't have the answer for.

How do you PROVE someone is smurfing?

Reports = SMURF now?

So I can get all my friends to report someone for smurfing to mess them over? Nice.

Fact is, you can't prove someone is a smurf, and an overwatch system DOES NOT and WILL NOT have any relevant information to determine whether or not someone is a smurf.

You CANNOT tell who's smurfing, an overwatcher has NO information that would even tell them that someone is possibly a smurf or not.

Your entire idea is worthless because you ignore the biggest flaw, the flaw being you can't tell who's smurfing or not. Not to mention the other biggest flaw... SMURFING ISN'T AGAINST THE RULES.

It's not necessarily hard to tell whose smurfing. When the silver 2 has 40 kills against a group of GN3, you know 80% of the time it's a smurf. When someone consistantly outplays and out manuevers people in lower end queues, and can constantly 1v3 or more, that's not normal. You may very well get a good game, but constant games? Might be a smurf. Or when people just say they're a smurf.

You mention overwatch. Simply put, a secondary message saying "This is a overwatch for smurfing." That's it, people don't have to participate in overwatch if they don't want to, but simply letting people know "You have 1 regular overwatch and 1 smurf overwatch case available" let's them know what they are looking at.

But as your point out, it's not against the rules. And that's why there is no PUNISHMENT.

You seem to ignore the fact that the only kind of punishment is letting the smurfs fight each other. A fair fight all around. Let them duke it out and decide who is the better smurf, simple as that. There's no bans involved, nor any time outs or any sort of preventative play measurments.

It's not easy to tell who's smurfing either.
Just because someone is doing better, doesn't make them a smurf.

Like I said, it's not PROOF.

Someone says they're a smurf, means they're a smurf? Rofl. I've called myself a cheater 40 thousand times. I guess that's proof I'm a cheater?

People often say they're smurfing just to upset you, and because it upsets you.. they say it more. People like you are the reason smurfs thrive, because of how upset you get.

It is a punishment... you're literally taking these players and forcing them into a seperate queue for no good reason. Seperate queue = longer queues times, and less quality/fair matches, based off of someone's vote that has NO information that would tell them whether or not this person is smurfing.

Overwatch watches 8 rounds of someone's game. 8 rounds to tell if someone is smurfing because they had a few good games and got reported? You think that's fair?

Rofl.

I mean, it doesn't matter either way because your idea is terrible and will never make it into the game, but it's still a waste of time thinking like you do.

These players aren't breaking any rules, and you have NO information relevant other than 8 rounds of someone's game to judge whether or not they're a smurf. It's ridiculous that you actually thought this was a good idea.

This is pathetic. Get better at the game, and quit worrying so much about other players. It's your fault you're bad at this game, improve your own gameplay.

[Stay70573]

Mis-Teeq の投稿を引用：

Sir Swags-a-little-bit の投稿を引用：

It's not necessarily hard to tell whose smurfing. When the silver 2 has 40 kills against a group of GN3, you know 80% of the time it's a smurf. When someone consistantly outplays and out manuevers people in lower end queues, and can constantly 1v3 or more, that's not normal. You may very well get a good game, but constant games? Might be a smurf. Or when people just say they're a smurf.

You mention overwatch. Simply put, a secondary message saying "This is a overwatch for smurfing." That's it, people don't have to participate in overwatch if they don't want to, but simply letting people know "You have 1 regular overwatch and 1 smurf overwatch case available" let's them know what they are looking at.

But as your point out, it's not against the rules. And that's why there is no PUNISHMENT.

You seem to ignore the fact that the only kind of punishment is letting the smurfs fight each other. A fair fight all around. Let them duke it out and decide who is the better smurf, simple as that. There's no bans involved, nor any time outs or any sort of preventative play measurments.

It's not easy to tell who's smurfing either.
Just because someone is doing better, doesn't make them a smurf.

Like I said, it's not PROOF.

Someone says they're a smurf, means they're a smurf? Rofl. I've called myself a cheater 40 thousand times. I guess that's proof I'm a cheater?

People often say they're smurfing just to upset you, and because it upsets you.. they say it more. People like you are the reason smurfs thrive, because of how upset you get.

It is a punishment... you're literally taking these players and forcing them into a seperate queue for no good reason. Seperate queue = longer queues times, and less quality/fair matches, based off of someone's vote that has NO information that would tell them whether or not this person is smurfing.

Overwatch watches 8 rounds of someone's game. 8 rounds to tell if someone is smurfing because they had a few good games and got reported? You think that's fair?

Rofl.

I mean, it doesn't matter either way because your idea is terrible and will never make it into the game, but it's still a waste of time thinking like you do.

These players aren't breaking any rules, and you have NO information relevant other than 8 rounds of someone's game to judge whether or not they're a smurf. It's ridiculous that you actually thought this was a good idea.

This is pathetic. Get better at the game, and quit worrying so much about other players. It's your fault you're bad at this game, improve your own gameplay.

I want to point this single thing you just said.

"It is a punishment... you're literally taking these players and forcing them into a seperate queue for no good reason. Seperate queue = longer queues times, and less quality/fair matches, based off of someone's vote that has NO information that would tell them whether or not this person is smurfing."

Step one, if they alone get into a queue like that, then it would force them into a regular match at worst. But it wouldn't be like "Just 12 in this queue total" it would need to collect enough data to give them that, upwards to a range of a few thousand players at minumum to start, then collectively add more.

But, besides that, you just argued that making all the smurfs fight EACH OTHER would be unfair. But having the MGM and LEM smurfs play against silvers and GNs IS? want to explain how?

It's ridiculous people get mad that someone wants something different. If you don't like this, then ignore it. Point remains, I have no interest in moving outside of GN range. It's where my friends are, and it's where my skill cap is. I want to have a fun game, simple as that. But if I have to continually deal with MGM and LEM, where is the fun? Not everyone wants a super competetive scene where they HAVE to be the best. I play ranked games from many different games, but it's rarely alone. I play with my friends to enjoy myself.

As I said, I don't feel like it's hard to know when someone smurfs. But I also don't feel like it's easy. I didn't say it's a one time deal from a one game thing. It's a collective data system. A player plays 20 games as a silver 4 and of them top frags 15 games with 8 of them being over 40 kills. To prove it? Sure I can't argue because it's very possible it's pure luck based. But there comes a point you have to acknowledge, this person is probably a smurf. There are those who aren't obvious, and those who are. Sure, 20 games seems small and it's more an example, but let's expand that into hundreds of games over millions of players.

You mention how they irritate me? Think of it this way. Smurfs are like a currently benign tumor. It's ugly and it's annoying, but it doesn't really hurt anyone that much. But what happens when it becomes malignant? Or worse, it begins to spread and cover the body? Individually, they're harmless, but collectively, they are a problem. I rather deal with problems early, and not letting them grow into bigger issues. That's my choice on life.

I'm more player than business, so I don;t think valve would give a damn to my point, but as far as it goes, if new players keep getting turned off or away from competetive or the game as a whole due to them being unable to play many games without dealing with a smurf that ruins the game, how does that help the game or the community?

[alright]

There will never be a report smurf function, EVER. You just cant report someone because they are doing better than you. Theres just no proof, they are just playing the game they cant be reported because really they are doing nothing wrong.

[phoon]

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