PRO scene dying?

[Jar Traahd]

Live ESL YT-stream of the match between G2 and Spirit (#5 vs. #2 in the world) only has around 40k viewers. In primetime on a Sunday evening.

Faze vs. Liquid was uploaded 24hrs ago and only have 65k ish views.

Of over 1.000.000 people playing the game, only this few are interested in the PRO scene?

How do you think the popularity of CS as an esport will influence the game?

[Stoque]

The long term pro scene is held together with the reputation of their sponsors ("trading" websites).

[Calamity]

Noone cares about the pro scene because valve doesn't care about their normal everyday players.

[ATLAS]

how do we know they are pros and not full of shait ?
remember word.exe ?
how many matches did word.exe last until they found it ?
just imagine all the cheats they didn't find.

i hope the sponsors are very careful not to sponsor someone that is faking success.
could become a costly venture for the stakeholders if you catch my drift.

[ATLAS]

there aren't that many humans playing the game anymore.
it's mostly bots and the introduction of AI will amplify this situation to the max.

[elite outsider]

Originally posted by Dr Gonzo:

i hope the sponsors are very careful not to sponsor someone that is faking success.
could become a costly venture for the stakeholders if you catch my drift.

probably it could be found that all the players are cheating and nobody would care

that's what already happened with pro sports and the olympics over the last 30 years
it's well known that most top level sports are driven by getting access to the latest designer steroids that pass drug tests, without which you can't be competitive

99% of the viewers/people sitting in the arenas don't have time to read the news and learn about who's cheating and who isn't, they just want to eat popcorn and watch the circus act

[Fr4ntic]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

Originally posted by Dr Gonzo:

i hope the sponsors are very careful not to sponsor someone that is faking success.
could become a costly venture for the stakeholders if you catch my drift.

probably it could be found that all the players are cheating and nobody would care

that's what already happened with pro sports and the olympics over the last 30 years
it's well known that most top level sports are driven by getting access to the latest designer steroids that pass drug tests, without which you can't be competitive

99% of the viewers/people sitting in the arenas don't have time to read the news and learn about who's cheating and who isn't, they just want to eat popcorn and watch the circus act

Thats some elite tinfoil hat your wearing there bro.

[elite outsider]

blocked anklebiters can't handle the truth, you love to see it

[Maik0]

2 huge reasons.
1st - when I was a kid and younger, I loved the scene, it was about teams who made it big, or it was about countries representing themselves, but now it turned into NFL like fake league. It's just RICH companies competing with each other

2nd- I just now updated cs after 2 months by mistake, not going to play and and haven't, the game is in the worst state it's ever been and I can't play with 60 fps in this game either... they should of left cs go and made cs2 it's own thing. It would be like source and 1.6. noobs would play source, while competitive ppl stayed in 1.6

[akiuara]

Originally posted by Jar Traahd:

Live ESL YT-stream of the match between G2 and Spirit (#5 vs. #2 in the world) only has around 40k viewers. In primetime on a Sunday evening.

Faze vs. Liquid was uploaded 24hrs ago and only have 65k ish views.

Of over 1.000.000 people playing the game, only this few are interested in the PRO scene?

How do you think the popularity of CS as an esport will influence the game?

I don't really care about the CS2 pro scene cuz I don't even watch them play, I only watch CS2 -insecure based content like HvH.

[Maik0]

Originally posted by akiuara-san:

Originally posted by Jar Traahd:

Live ESL YT-stream of the match between G2 and Spirit (#5 vs. #2 in the world) only has around 40k viewers. In primetime on a Sunday evening.

Faze vs. Liquid was uploaded 24hrs ago and only have 65k ish views.

Of over 1.000.000 people playing the game, only this few are interested in the PRO scene?

How do you think the popularity of CS as an esport will influence the game?

I don't really care about the CS2 pro scene cuz I don't even watch them play, I only watch CS2 -insecure based content like HvH.

yeah, I don't blame you, there's no reason to see pro teams because the scene changed and they're no better than top players in any of the leagues... they're just sponsored

[Jar Traahd]

So, there seem to be agreement that the PRO scene is dying.
The question remains:

Originally posted by Jar Traahd:

How do you think the popularity of CS as an esport will influence the game?

If the audience becomes so small that sponsors leave, how will it affect the game?
Will the competitive element be phased out in favor of more casual, newb-friendly experience?
Would it actually afford Valve more freedom to go in crazy directions with game-modes, etc.?
If it's not about winning, no-one really cares about cheats.

[Pleasure to troll you.]

Last time when I watched live matches - s1mple was present in PRO scene.
He left - I left watching. Everything has beginning - everything has its end. New generation will replace it in year or two...

[Maik0]

Originally posted by Carnivore Iguana:

Last time when I watched live matches - s1mple was present in PRO scene.
He left - I left watching. Everything has beginning - everything has its end. New generation will replace it in year or two...

I watched till about 2017 when I quit for the most part, the best years were 1.6 before streaming online was a thing and HL tv was the only way to watch. I remember some tournament had over 100k ppl an the HLTV server watching and they even had commentators, auto cam or free look, was amazing

[PatchAdams]

Valve is in an awkward position if the pro scene collapses.

They built late CSGO and CS2 with the main, pretty much only, consideration being the pro scene. (It's pretty clear CS2 would run much better on LAN than with a typical range of player ping between 10 and 150.)

Then they deleted GO, apparently so as not to fragment the pro scene, as happened with 1.6 and Source/GO.

That's left a catch-22 though, because if there's not much of a pro scene, what really is left of the game? Few modes, maps, and players, and a messy subtick system. And anyone serious is still going to play on Faceit, not so much Valve servers.

They would literally be better off bringing back CSGO, instead of trying to reinvent CS2 as something with wide casual appeal.

[¥]

Dudes people still accuse flusha for “CHEATING” when he was clearly a prodigy at the game, I am sometimes amazed by ppl’s stupidity honestly truly deserves some recognition for how low iq you have to be to accuse a pro like flusha that has been playing the game probably before y’all we’re born, so please put some respect on pro players names, forsaken was a one time thing, it wont happen again.