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I wouldn't bother with premier matchmaking
getting youtube to ban something on behalf of your company is about as easy as sneezing these days, and yet all those videos just sit there helping neverlose etc sell accounts
another piece of evidence that valve does next to nothing
The story is:
It seems to me that the interest in the game is mostly about the trolling and the skins.
And the question is:
What percentage of players do you think are actually playing for the team-based competitive elements?
I thought we've been through this.
If Valve does that, they will be uploaded again instantly by another account.
If you wan't to go through that, please make another thread.
hard disagree. think of the top 5 politicized topics you know, every single one of them includes no-no words that instantly get your channel nuked. all valve would have to do is issue some DMCAs and then strike up a conversation with youtube "trust & safety" and it would be a done deal in less than a week
anyway as for the thread topic/questions:
obviously very low % of players are interested in the actual game,
focus is on items and griefing exactly as you said
it's a self-induced problem on the part of valve. they made the whole game about showing off shiny trinkets, so that's what people do. the core values (like actually playing the game) are rotten and barely there anymore for most "players"
It's fine that you disagree and I'm not set in my view on that.
But as I've said before. You seem like an intelligent person and I assume you are fully aware what's happening and that you are pushing the line of getting the thread taken down, by telling people to look up youtube videos involving cheats.
I agree that many people focus on skins, but don't you think youtube is a huge factor in this?
I don't see how it's Valve's fault, that the players 'make it about' skins.
What could Valve do that would make it 'not about' the skins?
not my intention at all. it's actually baffling to me that those videos exist and valve doesn't just get rid of them when it would truly be so easy.
you want to worry about griefing videos on youtube but not the ones promoting the cheats to the same trash players?
threads will get taken down for any number of reasons, it doesn't matter. if they want to do it they just send in the same 3 people to argue with each other in circles and then your stuff is gone. like i say, i've been banned on here for making a joke about how molotov cocktails don't really cost $400 in real life. literally i got banned and the mods cited that post as the reason.
the players make it about skins because valve makes it about skins
players just follow what they're told by valve with few exceptions
examples:
- they release an update for the zeus and more people play than normal, they all sit behind corners trying to get a zeus kill for like 2 days, then activity in the game dies down again
- they release 5 casual tier garbage maps and activity rises again for 2 days, then everyone realizes the new maps are all bad and they go back to not playing
- they spend time programming rentable skins and other useless junk, so people flock to "what's new" and start renting skins
- updates are often centered around new cases and other cosmetic stuff like agents etc
- gameplay changes they made via new guns in csgo and cs2 are mostly casual meme stuff like negev/zeus that only pay lip service to what the game actually is
(so only casual players interested in a "quick bit of entertainment" will use them, you will never see a negev in a pro match for example)
- new smoke mechanics in cs2 almost never matter, it's just another cheap visual trick disguised as EPIC NEW GAME DESIGN and nobody ever talks about it because it's a waste of time
every single time they update this game they send another signal about how out of touch they are, and how much they absolutely don't care about the actual game part
you log in, it tells you to follow the 'fair play guidelines' when you queue for a game. then you get in your match and 90% of the players go against all those rules constantly and ruin the experience for you. nothing bad happens to them.
when people see that, it's again a *signal* to them that the rules aren't really real and you can just treat this game like a cheap prostitute you do whatever you want to
so then it ends up like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_windows_theory
the neighbourhood gets more and more filled with crime because all signs seem to indicate that's its purpose
it's even worse: valve's systems actively punish people for getting fed up with this. i just went afk in a game because we got 10 rounds in playing completely normal, then the one guy want nuts and started tking a couple of us for no reason. so i went afk and then got voted off, now my chinese social credit score will drop for like 2 days and all my matches will be full of people like that (so it spirals out of control for me quickly no matter what i do)
you quite obviously get dinged trust when you report people, so it discourages you reporting (and encourages letting bad actors run amok), and so on
by the way, in your OP the "how to play the game" videos are 99% all the same thing where somebody goes around with noclip and finds 5000 irrelevant smoke angles. guess what happens next? tryhard kids sit around practicing smokes all day, then go in game and find out none of it matters. they see a big social signal that practicing smoke angles is SUPER IMPORTANT because the guy on youtube with his mouth open in the thumbnail is doing it .. so they just follow that.
i hope i'm allowed to link to a steam group on the steam forums without breaking a mysterious rule!
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/neverlosecc
why is this group here? why does it have 11000 members?
isn't that a bit like having the local heroin dealers all meeting on the front steps at the police station?
doesn't it make seem valve totally incompetent when this group is here?
you might say oh if it's closed it will just come back under another name etc
well, they can ban keywords, they can autoban groups that say/do certain things (in fact they MUST do this - do you think the trolls that attack this game constantly aren't trying to spam groups/accounts with the N word all over them all hours of the day?)
every time you make a new thread it tells you it's being auto reviewed for suspicious links etc before going public, they have tons of tech for stuff like that .. and yet they let neverlose have a steam group that's just there all the time going unchallenged
shouldn't the 11000 members of that group be on a watch list of some kind?
again this is all just common sense. they allow their whole platform to blatantly be a cesspool, so everyone understands that's what it is and treats it as such
No clue what the actuall percentage is, but in my matches i see people going 3 kills or 4 kills throughout the match and often we get atleast 1 / 3 players like this, on my team AND enemy team.
If i had to guess 1 in 5 matches gets played seriously but this is just from my own experience.
''Is game cooked?''
Only cooked for now, we need some substantiall updates to save this game.
I'm fairly certain Valve can do it, with csgo it took them 10 years or something so i can see cs2 being as enjoyable within 10 years aswell.
No, I don't worry about the vidoes. I worry about the views.
It's an indicator that this is where the interest lies.
Some things are more complex than they appear. Just take accountability for your own actions and it will make everything else easier.
How does Valve make it about skins? Isn't it the players and youtubers making it about skins?
What can Valve do to make it 'not about skins', beside VAC?
Following your logic, Valve can't release any new content, since players will always focus on new content and how it can be used.
I know about BW-theori, but It's not really relevant for why people are only interested in trolling and skins.
The 'How to play' in the OP was just a category description.
It's not about
And then you go on again and push that line.
This thread isn't about blaming Valve.
Why do you embrace that victim-mentality and keep blaming them?
From this point, I can only assume you are acting in bad faith towards me.
when you have stuff like this going on, it's not cs anymore, it's like some demented husk of a game pretending to be cs but it's closer to a mid-2000s korean mmorpg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5h11Sr41kQk (video of cs2 bot farm in china)
the alternative would be to focus on high quality updates for a little while. that means no more epic zeus changes, no more casual deathmatch maps, no more "we fixed a place where grenades go out of the world 1 in 100000 games so download the 4gb map again"
instead they would need to actually do some hard work on improving matchmaking, reducing cheating/griefing, and so on. the game itself has plenty of content to keep the actual players busy for a looooong time (how many people are queueing for their 12th mirage game of the day on faceit as i write this? they're not sitting around waiting for an operation or a 2nd zeus skin like the casual players who are obsessed with skins and start griefing on a moment's notice whenever their blood sugar gets low)
absolutely not. i think they do actually deserve a large part of the blame.
they own and operate all these things. they pay people to create these systems that don't work, and moderate them falsely so problems don't get resolved.
the players doing the bad stuff are at fault too, but they're not going to spontaneously stop doing it just because you don't want to blame valve. blame the bad-behaving players all you want, you're not wrong, it won't help.
i can just stop replying if you want, but i'm not acting in bad faith. your thread remains in place, the usual suspects aren't replying and ruining it yet. i just have a different view from you but we see the same problems.
i thanked you for being one of the genuine posters in this thread (and abandoned it once it started to get overrun): https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/4517757613973307918/?ctp=2#c4517757613973799446
you throw on a stream and it's people with questionable cheating status on a discord call together playing faceit/premier games
the screen has 1-3 skins/gambling ads on it at all times, and they go to full screen ad breaks sponsored by - you guessed it - skins and gambling. when they're actually playing the game they're constantly inspecting expensive items (that they can afford or be given as part of their contract to promote the game a certain way).
what do you think the impressionable viewers take away from this?
valve just put out a big update talking about how they're changing the competitive rules - they have enormous sway over how the culture of the game unfolds, and once again they allow all this media about it to make it look like a cheaters paradise casino gambling situation. the item economy is so far beyond their control that they could never rein it in at this point, so this is just how it's going to be.
for every 1 major event where the focus is on the gameplay, you have like a million hours of other media that's just purple awp skins in every orifice