Terrible performance - FPS drops below 100 and frametime spikes

[matelele]

Am I the only one having issues with performance in this game? Whenever I play DM or Casual where there more 10+ people fighting I get sudden drops of FPS (often below 100) and frametime spikes witch makes it feel like playing on 60hz monitor, (it's super smooth when there's not many poeple, 300+ FPS) it brings me back to 2015 CSGO when i played on dual core Athlon and 2GB RAM.
I play on 4:3 lowest and my graphics card is RTX 4070s, CPU is Ryzen 7 5700x so i suppose it should be enough to get a playable experience. It's 200-300 FPS on average with drops to 90, frametime from 15 to 30ms on average. Situation seems to have gotten worse after I installed the game on new M.2 Samsung Evo 970.
Is anyone having the same issues?

[xDraga]

I get frame drops since last weeks update before that i could run game without any problems. Frame drops happen in 5v5 as well as on dm servers. I have amd rx6700+5900x combo game is installed on a nvme m.2. I tried to clear gpu cache but did not help.

[s4nta]

Your not the only one whos having the problem, im having the exact same problems.
Specs:
-r5 4650g
-16gb Ram
-gtx 1650

Well there are somethings that can maybe help. Firstly try cleaning DirectX cache and go to NVCP and set the shader cache size to 10gb or put it to 128mb. Test it which feels more smoother to you for me its the 10gb. And make sure low latency is OFF but the reflex is ON.
And im not very sure if your having a cpu bottleneck since im not a professional pc builder try turning on threaded Optimization.

Or just copy my Nvidia Control Panel Settings.

🟩NVIDIA SETTINGS: GLOBAL SETTINGS



IMAGINE SCALING: OFF/0%
AMBIENT OCCLUSION: OFF
ANISOTROPIC FILTERING: OFF
ANTIALIASING - FXAA: OFF
ANTIALIASING - GAMMA CORRECTION: OFF
ANTIALIASING - MODE: OFF
ANTIALIASING - SETTING: NONE
ANTIALIASING TRANSPARENCY: OFF
BACKROUND APPLICATION MAX FPS: OFF
CUDA - GPUS: ALL
CUDA - SYSMEM FALLBACK POLICY: DRIVER DEFAULT
DSR - FACTORS: OFF
DSR - SMOOTHNESS: OFF
LOW LATENCY MODE: OFF
MAX FPS: OFF
MFAA: OFF
OPENGL GDI COMPATIBILITY: AUTO
OPENGL RENDERING GPU: AUTO-SELECT
POWER MANAGEMENT MODE: OPTIMAL POWER
SHADER CACHE SIZE: 10GB
TEXTURE FILTERING - ANISOTROPIC SAMPLE OPTIMIZATION: ON
TEXTURE FILTERING: ALLOW
TEXTURE FILTERING - QUALITY: HIGH PERFORMANCE
TEXTURE FILTERING - TRILINEAR OPTIMIZATION: ON
THREADED OPTIMIZATION: AUTO
TRIPLE BUFFERING: OFF
VSYNC: OFF
VR PRE-RENDERED FRAMES: 1
VR VARIABLE RATE SUPER SAMPLING: OFF
VULKAN/OPENGL PRESENT METHOD AUTO



---------------------------------------------------------------
🟩NVIDIA SETTINGS: PROGRAM SETTINGS (CS2)


IMAGINE SCALING: GLOBAL
AMBIENT OCCLUSION: NOT SUPPORTED
ANISOTROPIC FILTERING: GLOBAL
ANTIALIASING - FXAA: GLOBAL
ANTIALIASING - GAMMA CORRECTION: GLOBAL
ANTIALIASING - MODE: GLOBAL
ANTIALIASING - SETTING: GLOBAL
ANTIALIASING TRANSPARENCY: GLOBAL
BACKROUND APPLICATION MAX FPS: GLOBAL
CUDA - GPUS: GLOBAL
CUDA - SYSMEM FALLBACK POLICY: GLOBAL
LOW LATENCY: GLOBAL
MAX FPS: GLOBAL
MFAA: GLOBAL
OPENGL GDI COMPATIBILITY: GLOBAL
OPENGL RENDERING GPU: GLOBAL
POWER MANAGEMENT MODE: PREFER MAXIMUM PERF
TEXTURE FILTERING - ANISOTROPIC SAMPLE OPTIMIZATION: GLOBAL
TEXTURE FILTERING - NEGATIVE LOD BIAS: GLOBAL
TEXTURE FILTERING - QUALITY: GLOBAL
TEXTURE FILTERING - TRILINEAR OPTIMIZATION: GLOBAL
THREADED OPTIMIZATION: ON
TRIPLE BUFFERING: GLOBAL
VSYNC: OFF
VR PRE-RENDERED FRAMES: GLOBAL
VR VARIABLE RATE SUPER SAMPLING: NOT SUPPORTED
VULKAN/OPENGL PRESENT METHOD: PREFER NATIVE

[SW!]

for sure man. funny as it is, i dont understand

[76561199518603159]

from last update its been laggy af ... i think they broke something else while trying to fix other thing.

[Sethioz]

FACEPALM 1000x ...

95% of performance issues are happening because people are STRESS TESTING their pc with unlocked framerate. (unlocked is for stress testing and/or benchmarking purposes only).

unlocked framerate is equal to driving a car in 1st gear and revving it to the max and then wondering why engine is overheating and it's still slow. your engine might be GOOD, but it still gives poor performance if you are misusing it.

even race car will overheat if you're hammering it in 1st gear with max revs.
computers are not designed to be under constant 100% load, but this is exactly what you are doing by setting unlocked fps.
even crypto mining is not as stressful to pc than running games with unlocked framerates.

to prove that i'm right, i can run CS2 in 4k with GTX 1080 and i get solid 60fps with NO stuttering and no lag.

altho i run it in 1440p as i'm not mad at my computer, i don't like frying my PC for no reason at all. 1440p keeps my GTX 1080 at a nice 20-30% usage and temp is like 45c, in computer terms .. that's taking a nap.

i don't know why some people even mention CPU, but i have i7 6700k and CPU usage is always below 20%, even with lot of background stuff running (steam, firefox, chrome, winamp, wireguard and sometimes some other stuff aswell). even some old dual-core can run CS2 just fine, because CPU is used for calculations, there's nothing to calculate in CS2. only ragdoll physics require calculations, but i think that's done by physx (GPU).

RAM is not important either. i have 16gb @ 3400mhz and it's not an issue. even with all the background stuff, my RAM usage is around 50% only. if i'd close everything on background, it would be around 3-4gb RAM usage, so CS2 takes only about 1-2 gb as windows takes about 1-2 gb. Also the way windows works, is that the more RAM you have, the more it uses. If you have only 4gb, then windows would conserve it more.
i'm 100% sure cs2 runs fine with 4gb RAM.

3 THINGS that can easily fix any poor performance:

1 - DO NOT run unlocked fps, limit your fps to what your monitor can support!
2 - enable fidelityFX super resolution and depending on your resolution, set it between performance -- quality. i have mine set to quality with 1440p resolution, image is crystal clear on 4k monitor.
3 - turn global shadows to low

THINGS YOU SHOULD NEVER DO:

DO NOT force settings using nvidia or amd graphics control panel
DO NOT use console commands that are related to graphics
DO NOT use launch options that are related to graphics
DO NOT run game in window or borderless (fullscreen window) modes.
DO NOT minimize game while playing - this degrades performance and causes lag, stuttering or even crashes in any game - this is simply because of how windows works, windows prioritizes the program that is in focus, if you minimize, it means game loses focus and some other program is being prioritized. since cs2 uses about 2gb RAM, it takes a while for PC to get it back in focus, even if game is maximized, it doesn't mean it's fully operational. minimizing is worst thing you can do in games, just DON'T .. unless you enjoy crashes and stuttering. if you need to check internet or talk to friends, use overlay, that's what it's for.

Make sure game is running in native aspect ratio. my monitor is 16:9, so in my case only use 16:9 resolutions.

I need to make a video on this ... these topics make me wanna cry. i can run cs2 with GTX 1080 in 4k .. while you guys have RTX series cards and you complaining about bad performance .. i just have no words anymore ... cs2 runs smooth even on potato.

i can literally run it on my 15 year old dual-core with GTX 680 and i bet i'd still get smooth 60fps in 1080p.

[76561199518603159]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

FACEPALM 1000x ...

95% of performance issues are happening because people are STRESS TESTING their pc with unlocked framerate. (unlocked is for stress testing and/or benchmarking purposes only).

RAM is not important either. i have 16gb @ 3400mhz and it's not an issue. even with all the background stuff, my RAM usage is around 50% only. if i'd close everything on background, it would be around 3-4gb RAM usage, so CS2 takes only about 1-2 gb as windows takes about 1-2 gb. Also the way windows works, is that the more RAM you have, the more it uses. If you have only 4gb, then windows would conserve it more.
i'm 100% sure cs2 runs fine with 4gb RAM.

3 THINGS that can easily fix any poor performance:

1 - DO NOT run unlocked fps, limit your fps to what your monitor can support!
2 - enable fidelityFX super resolution and depending on your resolution, set it between performance -- quality. i have mine set to quality with 1440p resolution, image is crystal clear on 4k monitor.
3 - turn global shadows to low

THINGS YOU SHOULD NEVER DO:

DO NOT force settings using nvidia or amd graphics control panel
DO NOT use console commands that are related to graphics
DO NOT use launch options that are related to graphics
DO NOT run game in window or borderless (fullscreen window) modes.
DO NOT minimize game while playing - this degrades performance and causes lag, stuttering or even crashes in any game - this is simply because of how windows works, windows prioritizes the program that is in focus, if you minimize, it means game loses focus and some other program is being prioritized. since cs2 uses about 2gb RAM, it takes a while for PC to get it back in focus, even if game is maximized, it doesn't mean it's fully operational. minimizing is worst thing you can do in games, just DON'T .. unless you enjoy crashes and stuttering. if you need to check internet or talk to friends, use overlay, that's what it's for.

Make sure game is running in native aspect ratio. my monitor is 16:9, so in my case only use 16:9 resolutions.

I need to make a video on this ... these topics make me wanna cry. i can run cs2 with GTX 1080 in 4k .. while you guys have RTX series cards and you complaining about bad performance .. i just have no words anymore ... cs2 runs smooth even on potato.

i can literally run it on my 15 year old dual-core with GTX 680 and i bet i'd still get smooth 60fps in 1080p.

you ok? i have r5 3600 and RTX 2060 ....

1.) it was running fine before last update
2.) you dont know what stuttering is ... go to settings in telemetry and set it for 165 fps mark (my refresh rate) and then play deathmatch on your 6th gen i7
3.) its just not about fps the game its self creating spikes in frametime which i suspect of the last update where they fix key input

[Sethioz]

Originally posted by Greaves:

Originally posted by Sethioz:

FACEPALM 1000x ...

95% of performance issues are happening because people are STRESS TESTING their pc with unlocked framerate. (unlocked is for stress testing and/or benchmarking purposes only).

RAM is not important either. i have 16gb @ 3400mhz and it's not an issue. even with all the background stuff, my RAM usage is around 50% only. if i'd close everything on background, it would be around 3-4gb RAM usage, so CS2 takes only about 1-2 gb as windows takes about 1-2 gb. Also the way windows works, is that the more RAM you have, the more it uses. If you have only 4gb, then windows would conserve it more.
i'm 100% sure cs2 runs fine with 4gb RAM.

3 THINGS that can easily fix any poor performance:

1 - DO NOT run unlocked fps, limit your fps to what your monitor can support!
2 - enable fidelityFX super resolution and depending on your resolution, set it between performance -- quality. i have mine set to quality with 1440p resolution, image is crystal clear on 4k monitor.
3 - turn global shadows to low

THINGS YOU SHOULD NEVER DO:

DO NOT force settings using nvidia or amd graphics control panel
DO NOT use console commands that are related to graphics
DO NOT use launch options that are related to graphics
DO NOT run game in window or borderless (fullscreen window) modes.
DO NOT minimize game while playing - this degrades performance and causes lag, stuttering or even crashes in any game - this is simply because of how windows works, windows prioritizes the program that is in focus, if you minimize, it means game loses focus and some other program is being prioritized. since cs2 uses about 2gb RAM, it takes a while for PC to get it back in focus, even if game is maximized, it doesn't mean it's fully operational. minimizing is worst thing you can do in games, just DON'T .. unless you enjoy crashes and stuttering. if you need to check internet or talk to friends, use overlay, that's what it's for.

Make sure game is running in native aspect ratio. my monitor is 16:9, so in my case only use 16:9 resolutions.

I need to make a video on this ... these topics make me wanna cry. i can run cs2 with GTX 1080 in 4k .. while you guys have RTX series cards and you complaining about bad performance .. i just have no words anymore ... cs2 runs smooth even on potato.

i can literally run it on my 15 year old dual-core with GTX 680 and i bet i'd still get smooth 60fps in 1080p.

you ok? i have r5 3600 and RTX 2060 ....

1.) it was running fine before last update
2.) you dont know what stuttering is ... go to settings in telemetry and set it for 165 fps mark (my refresh rate) and then play deathmatch on your 6th gen i7
3.) its just not about fps the game its self creating spikes in frametime which i suspect of the last update where they fix key input

i've been dealing with computers since late 90s ... but sure i don't know what stuttering is ...

i can tell you some games that are really BADLY optimized, but cs2 is not one of them.
cs2 runs fine even on potato. maybe if i have motivation, i'll run it on 15 year old dual core PC with GTX 680 and make a video of it, just to rub it into face of RTX users. i bet i get it running in 60fps in 1080p

reason why game is creating spikes, is because it's not designed to be ran in absurdly high framerates. human eye can only see about 150 hertz, that's why there's no need to go over.

in your case, 165 might be too much for your GPU to handle. RTX 2060 is slightly under GTX 1080. depends on your resolution tho. in 1080p you should easily get 165fps without any issues
i can get about 180-220fps in 1440p, so if you're running it in 1440p, then i suggest lock it to 140-150fps and see if it's still stuttering.
or before you do, check your GPU usage while playing. i'm quite sure it peaks at 100%, which is why it spikes.

drop your framerate so GPU doesn't go over 90% while playing or play around with other settings, like fidelityFX, that's a real magic maker.
RTX series supports DLSS, but i don't know if CS2 does, i don't see it in my settings, but maybe its because GTX cards don't support it, so maybe game is not showing it.

if you have DLSS, use that instead, it's better than fidelityFX.

[matelele]

This situation has gotten worse in the last few updates. With uncapped fps my CPU and GPU are running at 20-50% of usage (will check that later to make sure) and definately not 100%. I wouldn't call that stress testing. Those framerate and frametimes issues only happen when there's more people on the server. That's has always been the case since CS2 was released but recently it's gotten significantly worse. I tried capping the fps at either 175 or 200 (165hz monitor) but didn't see much difference in performace, in fact, it was even worse on some occasions. I have 1080p monitor and I run the game on 1440x1080 with lowest settings (dynamic shadows on), nvidia reflex On and FidelityFX set to performance. I will try to benchmark it once again to make sure. 60 FPS is not an achievement.
Also, my question is, how do I enable DLSS in CS2? It doesn't support DLSS.

[🐠🍑]

Originally posted by matelele:

This situation has gotten worse in the last few updates. With uncapped fps my CPU and GPU are running at 20-50% of usage (will check that later to make sure) and definately not 100%. I wouldn't call that stress testing. Those framerate and frametimes issues only happen when there's more people on the server. That's has always been the case since CS2 was released but recently it's gotten significantly worse. I tried capping the fps at either 175 or 200 (165hz monitor) but didn't see much difference in performace, in fact, it was even worse on some occasions. I have 1080p monitor and I run the game on 1440x1080 with lowest settings (dynamic shadows on), nvidia reflex On and FidelityFX set to performance. I will try to benchmark it once again to make sure. 60 FPS is not an achievement.
Also, my question is, how do I enable DLSS in CS2? It doesn't support DLSS.

Upgrade your hardware

[matelele]

so ryzen 7 5700x is too weak?

[Undefined]

Last week I had 160 fps now it has 30 fps, for sure it's not my pc. I run well Read dead redemption 2 with 60 fps.

[Haze]

Yeah in my oppinion graphics don't correspond to frames

Originally posted by Sethioz:

Originally posted by Greaves:

you ok? i have r5 3600 and RTX 2060 ....

1.) it was running fine before last update
2.) you dont know what stuttering is ... go to settings in telemetry and set it for 165 fps mark (my refresh rate) and then play deathmatch on your 6th gen i7
3.) its just not about fps the game its self creating spikes in frametime which i suspect of the last update where they fix key input

i've been dealing with computers since late 90s ... but sure i don't know what stuttering is ...

i can tell you some games that are really BADLY optimized, but cs2 is not one of them.
cs2 runs fine even on potato. maybe if i have motivation, i'll run it on 15 year old dual core PC with GTX 680 and make a video of it, just to rub it into face of RTX users. i bet i get it running in 60fps in 1080p

reason why game is creating spikes, is because it's not designed to be ran in absurdly high framerates. human eye can only see about 150 hertz, that's why there's no need to go over.

in your case, 165 might be too much for your GPU to handle. RTX 2060 is slightly under GTX 1080. depends on your resolution tho. in 1080p you should easily get 165fps without any issues
i can get about 180-220fps in 1440p, so if you're running it in 1440p, then i suggest lock it to 140-150fps and see if it's still stuttering.
or before you do, check your GPU usage while playing. i'm quite sure it peaks at 100%, which is why it spikes.

drop your framerate so GPU doesn't go over 90% while playing or play around with other settings, like fidelityFX, that's a real magic maker.
RTX series supports DLSS, but i don't know if CS2 does, i don't see it in my settings, but maybe its because GTX cards don't support it, so maybe game is not showing it.

if you have DLSS, use that instead, it's better than fidelityFX.

''reason why game is creating spikes, is because it's not designed to be ran in absurdly high framerates. human eye can only see about 150 hertz, that's why there's no need to go over''

This is simply misinformation, pro players play atleast with 400 frames and i trust them more than u.

[76561199518603159]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

in your case, 165 might be too much for your GPU to handle. RTX 2060 is slightly under GTX 1080. depends on your resolution tho. in 1080p you should easily get 165fps without any issues
i can get about 180-220fps in 1440p, so if you're running it in 1440p, then i suggest lock it to 140-150fps and see if it's still stuttering.
or before you do, check your GPU usage while playing. i'm quite sure it peaks at 100%, which is why it spikes.

my man i will try to be as polite as i can be but you are just telling some real ♥♥♥♥ here... assuming anything like i will be running in 1440p and my GPU is going on 100%
CPU sits around 40-50 %
GPU sits around 40-45 %

This Game will NEVER GOING TO USE YOUR CPU TO ITS 100% and its OKAY! and THE BOTTLENECK is also caused by MY CPU only I KNOW IT.. but its not the issue ....
While playing after last update game is showing some high spikes with frame time, am suspecting either last update broke something or valve servers are not running as they should?

[xDraga]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

Originally posted by Greaves:

you ok? i have r5 3600 and RTX 2060 ....

1.) it was running fine before last update
2.) you dont know what stuttering is ... go to settings in telemetry and set it for 165 fps mark (my refresh rate) and then play deathmatch on your 6th gen i7
3.) its just not about fps the game its self creating spikes in frametime which i suspect of the last update where they fix key input

i've been dealing with computers since late 90s ... but sure i don't know what stuttering is ...

i can tell you some games that are really BADLY optimized, but cs2 is not one of them.
cs2 runs fine even on potato. maybe if i have motivation, i'll run it on 15 year old dual core PC with GTX 680 and make a video of it, just to rub it into face of RTX users. i bet i get it running in 60fps in 1080p

reason why game is creating spikes, is because it's not designed to be ran in absurdly high framerates. human eye can only see about 150 hertz, that's why there's no need to go over.

in your case, 165 might be too much for your GPU to handle. RTX 2060 is slightly under GTX 1080. depends on your resolution tho. in 1080p you should easily get 165fps without any issues
i can get about 180-220fps in 1440p, so if you're running it in 1440p, then i suggest lock it to 140-150fps and see if it's still stuttering.
or before you do, check your GPU usage while playing. i'm quite sure it peaks at 100%, which is why it spikes.

drop your framerate so GPU doesn't go over 90% while playing or play around with other settings, like fidelityFX, that's a real magic maker.
RTX series supports DLSS, but i don't know if CS2 does, i don't see it in my settings, but maybe its because GTX cards don't support it, so maybe game is not showing it.

if you have DLSS, use that instead, it's better than fidelityFX.

bait posts used to be believable

[Kami 💜]

Originally posted by Sethioz:

Originally posted by Greaves:

you ok? i have r5 3600 and RTX 2060 ....

1.) it was running fine before last update
2.) you dont know what stuttering is ... go to settings in telemetry and set it for 165 fps mark (my refresh rate) and then play deathmatch on your 6th gen i7
3.) its just not about fps the game its self creating spikes in frametime which i suspect of the last update where they fix key input

i've been dealing with computers since late 90s ... but sure i don't know what stuttering is ...

i can tell you some games that are really BADLY optimized, but cs2 is not one of them.
cs2 runs fine even on potato. maybe if i have motivation, i'll run it on 15 year old dual core PC with GTX 680 and make a video of it, just to rub it into face of RTX users. i bet i get it running in 60fps in 1080p

reason why game is creating spikes, is because it's not designed to be ran in absurdly high framerates. human eye can only see about 150 hertz, that's why there's no need to go over.

in your case, 165 might be too much for your GPU to handle. RTX 2060 is slightly under GTX 1080. depends on your resolution tho. in 1080p you should easily get 165fps without any issues
i can get about 180-220fps in 1440p, so if you're running it in 1440p, then i suggest lock it to 140-150fps and see if it's still stuttering.
or before you do, check your GPU usage while playing. i'm quite sure it peaks at 100%, which is why it spikes.

drop your framerate so GPU doesn't go over 90% while playing or play around with other settings, like fidelityFX, that's a real magic maker.
RTX series supports DLSS, but i don't know if CS2 does, i don't see it in my settings, but maybe its because GTX cards don't support it, so maybe game is not showing it.

if you have DLSS, use that instead, it's better than fidelityFX.

is your alt ray benchmark ?