SteamCharts is not accurate, this game is culturally dead.

[Zastels]

Do not believe SteamCharts numbers, this game is filled with idling accounts trying to collect cases and also increasing their "time online" to try and appear authentic.

If you look at Twitch, CS2 only has 72k viewers.

In all likelihood this game is actually not very profitable for Valve, I wouldn't be surprised if Bejeweled was smoking this game out of the water.

I highly recommend if you love Counter-Strike, that you download and play Counter-Strike 1.6. This is the most pure and fun version of Counter-Strike, is actually has fantastic visual graphics that are timeless. Do not become a victim to pathological cheaters and a matchmaking system from hell.

If you've never played de_dust2 on a 32 player server in CS 1.6, you're in for a treat!

[elite outsider]

yeah dude get that pure 32 player experience, so classic

love playing games where 5 of my teammates are afk and i get to hear haha.wav every 10 seconds

[Renos]

the amount of copium here is ridiculous.
Ah yes twitch numbers must mean the 1.6 million player count is not real.
Forgetting the fact the viewer count doing the major smashed GO.s record,
Also forgetting the fact when tournaments are not happening CS almost never has a high twitch viewer count,

[Zastels]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

yeah dude get that pure 32 player experience, so classic

love playing games where 5 of my teammates are afk and i get to hear haha.wav every 10 seconds

Bro this cracked me up LOL

[Akemua]

Speculations based on personal bias and narrative are meaningless. All the stats show there is a high population. When you can prove how much of that population is bots doing nothing, then it will matter. Until then, it's a nothing burger.

FFXIV must be dead and buried by this logic. Despite the fact we know it has millions of players playing, and tens of millions of subscribers, it's not exactly viewed a lot on Twitch or other streaming sites.

This game is very lucrative to Valve. I don't know why you think it isn't. The amount of money the get just from the marketplace alone, not including the keys people can only buy from Valve to open chests, is ridiculous.

For the last bit, that's your opinion and I'm sure plenty of others share the same sentiment, so you can enjoy the older, more aptly described as "dead" games instead.

[Zastels]

Originally posted by Renos:

the amount of copium here is ridiculous.
Ah yes twitch numbers must mean the 1.6 million player count is not real.
Forgetting the fact the viewer count doing the major smashed GO.s record,
Also forgetting the fact when tournaments are not happening CS almost never has a high twitch viewer count,

I don't feel like you refuted anything I said. Majors are exciting but there is nothing else going on with this game. Matchmaking is terrible.

[Zastels]

Originally posted by Akemua:

Speculations based on personal bias and narrative are meaningless. All the stats show there is a high population. When you can prove how much of that population is bots doing nothing, then it will matter. Until then, it's a nothing burger.

FFIXV must be dead and buried by this logic. Despite the fact we know it has millions of players playing, and tens of millions of subscribers, it's not exactly viewed a lot on Twitch or other streaming sites.

This game is very lucrative to Valve. I don't know why you think it isn't. The amount of money the get just from the marketplace alone, not including the keys people can only buy from Valve to open chests, is ridiculous.

For the last bit, that's your opinion and I'm sure plenty of others share the same sentiment, so you can enjoy the older, more aptly described as "dead" games instead.

Valve doesn't have any proof of 1.6 million beyond SteamCharts.

This game is just as dead as Counter-Strike Source after release. The initial wow factor has subsided, and now what's left is zero communication from Valve.

It's just history repeating itself again. Valve cannot properly hold onto the reins of counter-strike, they just do not have a vision for the game at all. The proof is that literally almost all of CSGO was stripped away. Some vision. . .

[Akemua]

Originally posted by Zastels:

Originally posted by Akemua:

Speculations based on personal bias and narrative are meaningless. All the stats show there is a high population. When you can prove how much of that population is bots doing nothing, then it will matter. Until then, it's a nothing burger.

FFIXV must be dead and buried by this logic. Despite the fact we know it has millions of players playing, and tens of millions of subscribers, it's not exactly viewed a lot on Twitch or other streaming sites.

This game is very lucrative to Valve. I don't know why you think it isn't. The amount of money the get just from the marketplace alone, not including the keys people can only buy from Valve to open chests, is ridiculous.

For the last bit, that's your opinion and I'm sure plenty of others share the same sentiment, so you can enjoy the older, more aptly described as "dead" games instead.

Valve doesn't have any proof of 1.6 million beyond SteamCharts.

This game is just as dead as Counter-Strike Source after release. The initial wow factor has subsided, and now what's left is zero communication from Valve.

It's just history repeating itself again. Valve cannot properly hold onto the reins of counter-strike, they just do not have a vision for the game at all. The proof is that literally almost all of CSGO was stripped away. Some vision. . .

So... Nothing. Just a ♥♥♥♥ response based on nothing. Good to know. Have a nice day.

[arigato leonardo]

500k playerbase 50% cheating 40% bots XDDDD xaxaxaxaxaxax

[THE DIC₮A₮OR␤♞]

the game is extremely profitable due to the skins economy they earn millions of it every week

[Zastels]

Originally posted by THE DIC₮A₮OR␤♞:

the game is extremely profitable due to the skins economy they earn millions of it every week

What is the upkeep cost on the system?

I am highly suspect of the entire thing.

The cheating problem is easily mitigated through standard social paradigms, like for example not letting brand new accounts play with veteran accounts, not making the game free, banning people who queue and associate with cheaters, ect.

Not even the most basic basic basic mitigation is put into place.

If this game was actually profitable, you'd see Valve making moves to defend the ecosystem.

[arigato leonardo]

Originally posted by THE DIC₮A₮OR␤♞:

the game is extremely profitable due to the skins economy they earn millions of it every week

What u glazing?

[elite outsider]

i think the idea is it's extremely profitable so therefore they don't care about cheating/griefing/etc

the people on here complaining turn around and spend money on skins so valve wins without doing anything

there's nothing to defend - cheaters don't damage the item economy

[Zastels]

Originally posted by elite outsider:

i think the idea is it's extremely profitable so therefore they don't care about cheating/griefing/etc

the people on here complaining turn around and spend money on skins so valve wins without doing anything

This is true but it is also not sustainable and I have a hard time believing a CEO like Gabe Newell is not being forward thinking.

A competitor game will emerge and literally kill CS2 overnight. It is just a matter of time.

[elite outsider]

competitor game already emerged and the two of them coexist

and they both have cheaters and item economies

the world is much stupider than you want to think :}

[Renos]

Originally posted by Zastels:

Originally posted by Renos:

the amount of copium here is ridiculous.
Ah yes twitch numbers must mean the 1.6 million player count is not real.
Forgetting the fact the viewer count doing the major smashed GO.s record,
Also forgetting the fact when tournaments are not happening CS almost never has a high twitch viewer count,

I don't feel like you refuted anything I said. Majors are exciting but there is nothing else going on with this game. Matchmaking is terrible.

CS does not need some exciting content every week to bring in players, The game just has to remain fun and for the vast majority of players the game is fine right now.
GO sometimes went months to a year without a major update and it would gain players.

GO hits its 1.8 mil peak when the game was coming to an end,
CS2 was already in testing
The final major hadnt even started yet,
No operation or new case for months,