Pre-lobby MM broken

[lovespells]

I haven't played much CS since 1.6 and are trying to get back into it, however the pre-lobby MM totally ruins it.

What am I talking about? Well, people play MM with their friend in the soul purpose to grief others. They take turns in doing TD and TK so they wont get kicked, and if they are four people lobbying MM in soul purpose of griefing you can be sure you will get vote kicked.

You might say "Well so what OP? There is a system to deal with these griefers". I know wonder, is there? CSGO doesn't cost much at all, and the public grind to level 3 to play MM isn't that hard. The punishment isn't huge as they probably got 10 accounts, why else would you keep seeing people doing this sort of thing that often?

Am I just unlucky? The last three to four inconsistent days I gotten griefed at least 2/5 games.

Solution? Could steam make a system that check pre-lobby MM players, look at how much they've been reported/banned for TD, TK and make an assumption that they are pre-lobbying simple to grief, then give them super punishment, maybe across their accounts?

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Another topic is the excess of russian players. Now I know there have been plenty of threads about russians, however I haven't read many which point to the source of my concerns.

As I said, I haven't played much CSGO nor any shooters since 1.6. From what I can tell, (not as much lately, hmm) there is an excess of russian players, 7/10 whom don't know English or at least don't want to use it to communicate, maybe because they usually don't have too due to majority of the team they got matched with speak Russian?

Why is it a problem you may ask? Well, related to the topic above it seems Russian can tend to group up and grief non-Russian players, or at least players whom don't speak Russian. So, even if they don't pre-lobby the MM they seem to get some sort of "Us/Them" mentality which can lead to a vote kick of you!

Both these topics combind and you got a sh*tshow.

Now, yes! I know! Not all russians, heck even most of them isn't like that, however due to the enormous excess of them it becomes a large number of griefers.

I also have seen Americans writing thing as "Well, I've played with a few Russians on NA servers and I don't experience these problems! They are good, nice and speak English just fine. I don't understand all this whine". Well, If you get an occasional Russian on NA playing with you, my guess would be that they don't get the type of "Us/Them" mentality since they are a minjority on NA-servers, also if they seek their way onto NA-server they might speak English... "Well... their ping isn't that bad either, so why whine?" Well, due to all above, and the ping claim is a strawman, the problem isn't (usually) their ping.

"Russians get a lot of hate, that's why they tend to group up". Well, even if true, which it might be for a lot of them, the original point and therefore problem stands.


Conclusion!
Most of you probably will just tell me to quit playing CSGO, which I am leaning towards. It was sort of fun, sometimes, sort of, maybe, as long as it lasted if I decide to quit.

Does Steam share these concerns? Even if they did, would they care? They would probably not profit from addressing it, so the only option they got is "this just isn't true" response. I have never seen a so forgiving community as CSGO before, players totally bend over. Yes, yes, it's true theres a lot of whine going around but that where it stops. CSGO is doing insanely well with million of players, and it is other they said above a good game.

I took time to write this as I just got griefed by three players in my very first game of today, forcing me to go afk and later kicked, leading to a ban. (I wasn't about to try play the game when they keep running up infront and blocking me and taking turns in doing TD for a whole game).

Also, "how do you know they are pre-lobbying?". Well I can only identify pre-lobbys when one of them got a public steam profile and I can see players on their friend list. I think it's a pretty alright assumption to make if a player in my game got two other players on my team on their friend list.

[crack282]

you think someone will read this?
Private Profile say

I haven't played much CS since 1.6

i stopped reading ;-)
short sollution for your problems: Play with friends.

[[PBS]RustyFork]

can you give me the meaning of this novel in few sentence

[Heal4Ever]

Yea I agree I had teamed up 2 grief era who were a total ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ who ruined our game and I got 2 he ban well the first idea is really good

[lovespells]

Originally posted by crack282:

you think someone will read this?
Private Profile say

I haven't played much CS since 1.6

i stopped reading ;-)
short sollution for your problems: Play with friends.

Stop reading because I haven't played much since 1.6? When the topics themselves doesn't have anything to do with extreme experience of CSGO. In fact it could be good since my judgment wont be as clouded as other fans of the game. But yes! It became too long, I forgot a lot of people have a short attention span.

And, play with friend. Well I am probably a bit older than the majority of players and so are my friends, most of them have quit playing and I'm thinking of doing the same. This thread was more of a food for though and also a call out bout stop bending over for the devs and game market. Which we all already knows will never happen.

[nisse •⩊•]

Agree on all points. CSGO devs wont do a thing. They exploit kids, and now they are even going to start selling "skins" tshirt or whatever they call it, bloody expensive too. This said, strongest point was "community bend over for devs", their exploiting of kids is sickening. CS is dead, this is Call of Strike, no, Counter of Duty, no, damn it!

[Ξ︎∨○︎L∨Ξ]

Originally posted by wzrdam:

Agree on all points. CSGO devs wont do a thing. They exploit kids, and now they are even going to start selling "skins" tshirt or whatever they call it, bloody expensive too. This said, strongest point was "community bend over for devs", their exploiting of kids is sickening. CS is dead, this is Call of Strike, no, Counter of Duty, no, damn it!

lol ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥.

It's just free matchmaking with a ranking system, like ESEA or CEVO. Every semi-serious CS player in 1.6 or Source played third party matchmaking. If you don't want to play it, just play community servers.

[crack282]

Originally posted by Java:

Originally posted by crack282:

you think someone will read this?
Private Profile say
i stopped reading ;-)
short sollution for your problems: Play with friends.

Stop reading because I haven't played much since 1.6? When the topics themselves doesn't have anything to do with extreme experience of CSGO. In fact it could be good since my judgment wont be as clouded as other fans of the game. But yes! It became too long, I forgot a lot of people have a short attention span.

And, play with friend. Well I am probably a bit older than the majority of players and so are my friends, most of them have quit playing and I'm thinking of doing the same. This thread was more of a food for though and also a call out bout stop bending over for the devs and game market. Which we all already knows will never happen.

I bet i am way older than you and i can play with friends ;-) If you dont have some just find some new CSGO friends.

[lovespells]

Originally posted by crack282:

Originally posted by Java:

Stop reading because I haven't played much since 1.6? When the topics themselves doesn't have anything to do with extreme experience of CSGO. In fact it could be good since my judgment wont be as clouded as other fans of the game. But yes! It became too long, I forgot a lot of people have a short attention span.

And, play with friend. Well I am probably a bit older than the majority of players and so are my friends, most of them have quit playing and I'm thinking of doing the same. This thread was more of a food for though and also a call out bout stop bending over for the devs and game market. Which we all already knows will never happen.

I bet i am way older than you and i can play with friends ;-) If you dont have some just find some new CSGO friends.

You could be older than me, sure, however I said that I'm probably older than the majority of players, being 30. Most of my friends are between 30-35. I'd love to find CSGO friends however I mostly hear name calling in-game and I'm a bit lost where to find these normal people non-scum of people. I still think changes are needed for this game, and for most people I've talked to seem to agree to a degree.

[crack282]

Originally posted by Java:

Originally posted by crack282:

I bet i am way older than you and i can play with friends ;-) If you dont have some just find some new CSGO friends.

You could be older than me, sure, however I said that I'm probably older than the majority of players, being 30. Most of my friends are between 30-35. I'd love to find CSGO friends however I mostly hear name calling in-game and I'm a bit lost where to find these normal people non-scum of people. I still think changes are needed for this game, and for most people I've talked to seem to agree to a degree.

Okay sorry to say that and dont get me wrong but it sounds like a silver problem. I have no problems in finding nice and good players. Just play a MM game and add the forst guy in game. Ask him nice and friendly if he would play more games with you and i bet he will do it! Do this in every game till you have enough friends. Realy there is no problem what must be fixed by valve. Its all up to you to change something.

I still think changes are needed for this game, and for most people I've talked to seem to agree to a degree.

Than bring in some advices how to change what and why. And dont say something must happen. Its not working like that. Read the forum rules. There is a topic where you can write down your suggestions and tipps for some changes. Just use it! This here is a discussion forum so nothing will happen. Just some stupid discussions about Yeah i dont like this and that.
Most important thing is: Why the ♥♥♥♥ change anything at the game? You dont like it? Dont play! You like it? Play how it should be played. Wazy and simple. No need for changes. Everybody who say that do something wrong in his game.

[nevr3000]

Originally posted by Java:

Originally posted by crack282:

you think someone will read this?
Private Profile say
i stopped reading ;-)
short sollution for your problems: Play with friends.

Stop reading because I haven't played much since 1.6? When the topics themselves doesn't have anything to do with extreme experience of CSGO. In fact it could be good since my judgment wont be as clouded as other fans of the game. But yes! It became too long, I forgot a lot of people have a short attention span.

And, play with friend. Well I am probably a bit older than the majority of players and so are my friends, most of them have quit playing and I'm thinking of doing the same. This thread was more of a food for though and also a call out bout stop bending over for the devs and game market. Which we all already knows will never happen.

For an unclouded judgement, you sure seem to hit on all the average common complaints.
If you are placed with griefers, report them. They risk 30+days cooldowns. If you don't want to play with russians, play with people from your friendslist.
If you don't have those, use one of the many threads here, or steamgroups to find people who speak your preferred language. It's near impossible for Valve to curate who you play with or against just to serve you with a game that is up to your standards.

[lovespells]

Originally posted by crack282:

Originally posted by Java:

You could be older than me, sure, however I said that I'm probably older than the majority of players, being 30. Most of my friends are between 30-35. I'd love to find CSGO friends however I mostly hear name calling in-game and I'm a bit lost where to find these normal people non-scum of people. I still think changes are needed for this game, and for most people I've talked to seem to agree to a degree.

Okay sorry to say that and dont get me wrong but it sounds like a silver problem. I have no problems in finding nice and good players. Just play a MM game and add the forst guy in game. Ask him nice and friendly if he would play more games with you and i bet he will do it! Do this in every game till you have enough friends. Realy there is no problem what must be fixed by valve. Its all up to you to change something.

I still think changes are needed for this game, and for most people I've talked to seem to agree to a degree.

Than bring in some advices how to change what and why. And dont say something must happen. Its not working like that. Read the forum rules. There is a topic where you can write down your suggestions and tipps for some changes. Just use it! This here is a discussion forum so nothing will happen. Just some stupid discussions about Yeah i dont like this and that.
Most important thing is: Why the ♥♥♥♥ change anything at the game? You dont like it? Dont play! You like it? Play how it should be played. Wazy and simple. No need for changes. Everybody who say that do something wrong in his game.

I got 1 Ak as rank, whatever that is. And in my original post I did come with suggestions to solve problems, but you didnt the post.

[lovespells]

Originally posted by nevr3000:

Originally posted by Java:

Stop reading because I haven't played much since 1.6? When the topics themselves doesn't have anything to do with extreme experience of CSGO. In fact it could be good since my judgment wont be as clouded as other fans of the game. But yes! It became too long, I forgot a lot of people have a short attention span.

And, play with friend. Well I am probably a bit older than the majority of players and so are my friends, most of them have quit playing and I'm thinking of doing the same. This thread was more of a food for though and also a call out bout stop bending over for the devs and game market. Which we all already knows will never happen.

For an unclouded judgement, you sure seem to hit on all the average common complaints.
If you are placed with griefers, report them. They risk 30+days cooldowns. If you don't want to play with russians, play with people from your friendslist.
If you don't have those, use one of the many threads here, or steamgroups to find people who speak your preferred language. It's near impossible for Valve to curate who you play with or against just to serve you with a game that is up to your standards.

You haven't read any of the post above. ESL manage to solve the problem back in the days on their gather systems. And if thats the common complaints there seem to be a problem.

[nevr3000]

Originally posted by Java:

Originally posted by nevr3000:

For an unclouded judgement, you sure seem to hit on all the average common complaints.
If you are placed with griefers, report them. They risk 30+days cooldowns. If you don't want to play with russians, play with people from your friendslist.
If you don't have those, use one of the many threads here, or steamgroups to find people who speak your preferred language. It's near impossible for Valve to curate who you play with or against just to serve you with a game that is up to your standards.

You haven't read any of the post above. ESL manage to solve the problem back in the days on their gather systems. And if thats the common complaints there seem to be a problem.

And ESL solved it how exactly? By moving to an external service? Doesn't strike me as much of a solution. MM today is what the pub servers were back on 1.6. There are external services if that's what you're looking for (ESEA/FaceIt/CEVO), maybe try your luck there.

[lovespells]

Originally posted by nevr3000:

Originally posted by Java:

You haven't read any of the post above. ESL manage to solve the problem back in the days on their gather systems. And if thats the common complaints there seem to be a problem.

And ESL solved it how exactly? By moving to an external service? Doesn't strike me as much of a solution. MM today is what the pub servers were back on 1.6. There are external services if that's what you're looking for (ESEA/FaceIt/CEVO), maybe try your luck there.

You keep building strawmen by saying "How? By doing this and that doesn't solve anything" when I haven't said that. If you don't know what system we are talking about then maybe you shouldn't make assumptions. Putting strawmen as arguments is never a good thing. I have a feeling if I keep trying to hold a conversation with you, you will keep misinterpret things simply because you have tend to make strawmen for a long time. No, it wasnt meant as an insult.

Because there are work around from the built in module doesn't mean theres no problems with them.

My original post I meantioned problems, which you said was the common ones (leaving out the hitbox which I have no problem with = quality of mm servers), if they are common they might be worth checking into. I also mentioned a few ideas that could potentially solve some of them. I was hoping for a discussion where we could discuss the problems and the ideas to fix them, and not holding fedora hat discussions where we go, "nah, I don't know how to solve any of it, therefore let's not discuss it".

Please for the love of allah dont reply with another strawman, I rather not having you of all reply at all anymore.

[nevr3000]

Originally posted by Java:

Originally posted by nevr3000:

And ESL solved it how exactly? By moving to an external service? Doesn't strike me as much of a solution. MM today is what the pub servers were back on 1.6. There are external services if that's what you're looking for (ESEA/FaceIt/CEVO), maybe try your luck there.

You keep building strawmen by saying "How? By doing this and that doesn't solve anything" when I haven't said that. If you don't know what system we are talking about then maybe you shouldn't make assumptions. Putting strawmen as arguments is never a good thing. I have a feeling if I keep trying to hold a conversation with you, you will keep misinterpret things simply because you have tend to make strawmen for a long time. No, it wasnt meant as an insult.

Because there are work around from the built in module doesn't mean theres no problems with them.

My original post I meantioned problems, which you said was the common ones (leaving out the hitbox which I have no problem with = quality of mm servers), if they are common they might be worth checking into. I also mentioned a few ideas that could potentially solve some of them. I was hoping for a discussion where we could discuss the problems and the ideas to fix them, and not holding fedora hat discussions where we go, "nah, I don't know how to solve any of it, therefore let's not discuss it".

Please for the love of allah dont reply with another strawman, I rather not having you of all reply at all anymore.

So you actually put words in my mouth, and then say I use a strawman argument, the hypocricy is unreal.
Complaints being common is not the same as the problems being common. Sure you can suggest ideas that theoretically combat your issues, but you could also excert some responsibility in solving the issue for yourself.
I have no love for allah, jahweh or any other deity, but you can thank your god that the love doesn't prevent you from using strawmen yourself.