AWP is ruining CS2 (and any CS games)

[Tututerokツ雨]

We all know that one bodyshot weapons in online FPS games are flawed and they are just really bad design choices because the devs couldn't think how to make these weapons useful so they just said "screw it" and made them borderline overpowered with zero-to-no actual counterplay, and somehow made everyone think such weaponry is fine.

People often say "you're exaggerating" when others speak up about AWP being blatantly overpowered and insanely broken. What's hiding behind this argument are these fallacies, like minimization, straw man and ad hominem.

To put it very simply, like I said in my very first thread ever on the CS2 forums, you effortlessly camp because you're not here to actually play, and just one click everyone.

Peeker advantage makes it even worse with a one body shot insta-kill weapon. AWP users taking damage making them inaccurate with AWP doesn't matter because the enemy is already dead before being given any chance to attack.

I don't know how would you balance this weapon, but maybe it would be a bit, just a little more balanced with a charge meter and a medium, faded team-colored laser dot that can be seen by everyone on various walls, surfaces, etc forked directly from way less boring Team Fortress 2?

With 100% charge, you'll be able to one shot if you body shot.
As charge meter decreases, body shot damage gets weaker.

Maybe that'll do the trick?

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The only place where AWP is overpowered is the lowest skill groups.
In high skill groups matches 5 AWPs in a team = instant lose.

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Use things called flashbangs you silver!

[76561198088409502]

just so yall know, this guy is a well known mass troller
but i agree awp is stupid :D

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Cheater crying about the game.
First, try playing without wallhack, aimbot, grenade helper, radarhack, enemy healthbar, enemy equipement, ... and then come back talking

[Tututerokツ雨]

Originally posted by Rize:

The only place where AWP is overpowered is the lowest skill groups.
In high skill groups matches 5 AWPs in a team = instant lose.

Hey Rize, AWP is overpowered everywhere.

Originally posted by mr.egoisto:

Use things called flashbangs you silver!

So if I don't have a flashbang or misuse it there's no reason to try to play against AWPers because AWPers will just simply kill me in like 99.99% situations if I do? Body shooting is easy, throwing a flashbag effectively is not. This is certainly balanced!

Originally posted by +EKJMNY45:

just so yall know, this guy is a well known mass troller
but i agree awp is stupid :D

What?

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Originally posted by Tututerok:

Originally posted by Rize:

The only place where AWP is overpowered is the lowest skill groups.
In high skill groups matches 5 AWPs in a team = instant lose.

Hey Rize, AWP is overpowered everywhere.

Originally posted by mr.egoisto:

Use things called flashbangs you silver!

So if I don't have a flashbang or misuse it there's no reason to try playing against AWPers because AWPers would just simply kill me in like 99.99% situations? Body shoting is easy, throwing a flashbag effectively is not. These is certainly balanced.

Originally posted by +EKJMNY45:

just so yall know, this guy is a well known mass troller
but i agree awp is stupid :D

What?

Can you go to school and learn english instead of cheating all day in CS?

[Tututerokツ雨]

Originally posted by Kligger:

Originally posted by Tututerok:

Hey Rize, AWP is overpowered everywhere.


So if I don't have a flashbang or misuse it there's no reason to try playing against AWPers because AWPers would just simply kill me in like 99.99% situations? Body shoting is easy, throwing a flashbag effectively is not. These is certainly balanced.


What?

Can you go to school and learn english instead of cheating all day in CS?

???? Anyway, I think it would be very weird for someone this old to come to middle school and be around kids.

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Originally posted by Tututerok:

Hey Rize, AWP is overpowered everywhere.

It is not, because you're taking only about strong side of the weapon.

Compare it to AK:
With AK you have 30 shots and spraying, with AWP you have 5 shots with very low RPM, means if you're missed, you're dead.
With AWP you have to zoom (enemies can hear you're zooming), or you will miss, and with AK you don't need to.
If you're counter-attacked by more than 1 enemy, with AK you can kill them all, with AWP at the best you can kill one and then you will die.
With AK you're moving faster.
With AK you can use suppressive fire to win few extra seconds for your team and with AWP after a shot you will be pushed since you can't hold the angle after shot.
AK also kills with 1 bullet in the head, even through the helmet.
AK is cheaper, so after lose you can buy AK again, but after losing AWP you have to do eco.
With AK you can easily push in close combat, with AWP it is more like a suicide.
And so on and so on.

AK is simply more universal weapon than AWP.
That's why in pro matches you barely see pros play with more than 1 AWP in a team.

[Tututerokツ雨]

Originally posted by Rize:

With AK you have 30 shots and spraying, with AWP you have 5 shots with very low RPM, means if you're missed, you're dead.

How bad you gotta be to miss a scoped body shot lol

Originally posted by Rize:

With AWP you have to zoom (enemies can hear you're zooming), or you will miss, and with AK you don't need to.

Yeah if you choose to roleplay to be close to enemies for no reason.

Originally posted by Rize:

If you're counter-attacked by more than 1 enemy, with AK you can kill them all, with AWP at the best you can kill one and then you will die.

You can peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide, peak & hide from a long distance.

Originally posted by Rize:

With AK you're moving faster.

For a long range AWP that makes you slower in-scope it matters because erm.............

Originally posted by Rize:

With AK you can use suppressive fire to win few extra seconds for your team and with AWP after a shot you will be pushed since you can't hold the angle after shot.

With AWP you can control a territory as much as you want if you make it blatant you're there.

Originally posted by Rize:

AK also kills with 1 bullet in the head, even through the helmet.

Yeah, in the head. Not in the body.

Originally posted by Rize:

AK is cheaper, so after lose you can buy AK again, but after losing AWP you have to do eco.

And if you buy AWP, you don't have to buy anything ever again because everyone dies.

Originally posted by Rize:

With AK you can easily push in close combat, with AWP it is more like a suicide.

Probably the only correct statement. But everyone knows better than being ineffective on purpose.

Originally posted by Rize:

AK is simply more universal weapon than AWP.

In a negative direction.

Originally posted by Rize:

That's why in pro matches you barely see pros play with more than 1 AWP in a team.

They don't want boring lame matches.

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Because in higher skill groups people don't stay like a dummy targets, they move.
Even pros miss their shots, not to mention common players.
But if you can prove otherwise, you're free to join 20k+ lobbies and link the demo where you destroy the whole enemy team with AWP without miss shots.

Most of anything else is countered by a smoke grenade.
Shoulder-peek also exists.

Pros play for money, not for making matches more fun or boring. If they won't win, they won't get money, so if buying many AWPs would be a good strat, pros would do that every single time. But they don't.

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are u complaining about the awp beeing too strong ? :D u ever tried to play it if its so op ?

[Vitas Van Darkholme]

25 ingame hours on the profile. hahahahaha

[Ms. Makima]

if it works, then dont change it

[Hamsterpeek]

Ah, the typical weekend awp rant thread with no foundation. whatsoever.

You have 25 hrs in CSGO/CS and no matches played and only 40 hours in CSS. As the very first answer said: Only in low skill ranks and against low skilled player awp is OP. Only people who can think about weapon balance are people with at least 10.000 hours who were exceptionally high skilled throughout that time.

People like you don't even grasp what you actually try to do here. Imagine we would lower the hoop in basketball so you can dunk too. This makes no sense. If we lower the hoop you lower the skillceiling of the entire basketball game and it makes less fun and is less attractive to watch.

Same goes with all these 0815 "uhh weapon xy is OP" rant threads in CS. STOP changing the game, LEARN how to play it and how to counter specific weapons. The world/game doesn't resolve around you.

[Tututerokツ雨]

Originally posted by Vitas Van Darkholme:

25 ingame hours on the profile. hahahahaha

Originally posted by Hamsterpeek:

Ah, the typical weekend awp rant thread with no foundation. whatsoever.

You have 25 hrs in CSGO/CS and no matches played and only 40 hours in CSS. As the very first answer said: Only in low skill ranks and against low skilled player awp is OP. Only people who can think about weapon balance are people with at least 10.000 hours who were exceptionally high skilled throughout that time.

People like you don't even grasp what you actually try to do here. Imagine we would lower the hoop in basketball so you can dunk too. This makes no sense. If we lower the hoop you lower the skillceiling of the entire basketball game and it makes less fun and is less attractive to watch.

Same goes with all these 0815 "uhh weapon xy is OP" rant threads in CS. STOP changing the game, LEARN how to play it and how to counter specific weapons. The world/game doesn't resolve around you.

i have 51k hours in CS2 on my alternative account.