The blunt force reality of cheating and CS2

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The biggest 3 free cheats people are using haven't once been banned yet, so that's food for thought. It tells you either valve CAN'T fix it, or they're complicit. I think it's a bit of both. I think they can't fix it because cheats no longer even need to interact with game files, so they stopped trying. Waste of money to keep trying.

I can develop a cheat for this game with 14 lines of code, have openai write the code, and not even use a cheat program to use it, nor would the code interact with the game in ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM anymore. As just a crude example, I can program a trigger bot by making a script where if the color on the center of my MONITOR stays exactly the same for 2 seconds while holding a specific button down, and then if it changes to ANY color other than the hex color parked on the center of my screen while still holding that button, it causes me to click my left mouse button 1 time. That's all an awper needs. The script can run from something as crude as autohotkey and would NEVER interact with ANY csgo files because it's only looking at the monitor itself, not the game. And that's just 1 super-stupid cheat you could do. There's all types of creative ways you can move around the game and never get caught today. This particular code could NEVER be caught. EVER. Not without kernel level access, which is something valve openly stated they WONT DO. People who figure out how to code this will be uncatchable forever. Cheaters don't even need to be scared of it anymore because coders figured this out, and even if valve did implement kernel level access, it would STILL be easy to hide.

Cheating is WAY too far ahead of gaming now. Cheat free games are no longer possible unless in a highly secured, never seen before LAN type of environment where players would not have access to even touch the physical computers, any ports, the windows interface, or even the game console itself. The only way left to ensure a cheat free environment is at an OFFLINE Lan, where players can't even touch ports or the games console. They must sit down with predetermined settings and predetermined keyboard/mice, and use that. That's the last way it's even possible. That's why the pro scene won't ever even be clean. It doesn't give that level of security.

Ai truly is the last hope for anticheat but unfortunately, Ai does not seem to be learning anything because the whole premise of ai is to learn what looks like cheats and what doesn't, but when people that use cheats intentionally act stupid, the ai is learning from incorrect and inconsistent behavior and as a result will get inconsistent results. The ai does not understand that cheating doesn't have to look like spinning, and wallbangs, and 100% headshot games 5 games in a row, and machine gun speed awp shots (yes that's a thing).

We need overwatch back. We need a higher council of overwatch, and we need an INCENTIVE program for overwatchers catching and banning cheaters. We also need a review system that allows us to specifically mark inside of demos or comment as to how we came to a conclusion that a player is cheating. We need to bring back public shaming, and we need to encourage auto-review of anything over 30 kills. I'm not saying by any means 30 kills isn't possible. I myself have legitimately dropped a 65 bomb in a game many years ago, but it should at least warrant an eye on the player. No legitimate player would be scared of being overwatched.

Valve should also consider hiring people specifically to review cases as a council. These people should study demos inside and out. It doesn't have to be a lot of people, but they should bring a level of cheat understanding and demo review to the table that others don't. Players who have a keen eye for recognizing lazer-line straight movement versus natural movement to catch aimbots, or people who recognize pre-aiming and reload behaviors as unnatural when it is entirely unwarranted. Cheaters do certain things that a player who is unaware of an enemies position wouldn't normally do, and they do them OFTEN, but they're subtle and hard to catch for most people. I cannot tell you how many cheaters i've played with in csgo who openly admit they're cheating to me, but my own teammates who spectate them say they aren't. As a matter of fact it's become far more regular to see known cheaters be defended by teammates who have spectated them than for the teammate to figure it out and admit that their teammate is cheating. It's almost sad how many of my own teammates cannot tell when people on our team are cheating.

If we don't ask for something more intrusive AND demand overwatch back, this will never get better. Ai is not going to stop this. Not for YEARS. Demand better. Commit to stop buying cases & keys & skins until they get their crap together. We don't need content. We need a playable game.

[FaiÏry Reálm ツ]

do you want to take your asian people and send them back home ,,...

[orange]

Originally posted by FaiÏry Reálm:

do you want to take your asian people and send them back home ,,...

I'm not even sure what this is supposed to mean

[{SçM}TonyFetuccini_]

According to the Canadian elf, running into cheaters is due to having "low trust factor" as he is so high, mighty, and holy, that he never runs into any cheaters.

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Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:

According to the Canadian elf, running into cheaters is due to having "low trust factor" as he is so high, mighty, and holy, that he never runs into any cheaters.

The canadian elf is ignorant. There are several kinds of cheaters. Blatant ones anybody can see, but a lot of people simply think that's all cheating looks like. There's SOOO many cheaters that only even turn on ESP if they think someone specific is cheating, and only use the ESP to hunt down that one player, then turn them off. There's cheaters who are WORSE at the game while cheating than they are when they turn them off because they're actually faster reaction time without them (in the sense that with them, cheaters have to pretend they're not god and end up over-compensating for their knowledge by reacting SLOWER than they actually would)
There's players who ONLY use cheats on pistol rounds just to ensure the best possible outcome in an OTHERWISE legitimate match.
There's obviously closet cheaters, who use esp and PRETEND to not know where others are to make it look as real as possible and don't use aimbot to make sure their aim always looks natural
There's all kinds of cheaters. Being able to catch all the different kinds is exceedingly difficult and requires an understanding of SO much more about gameplay than most people can even comprehend.

I was in a game against a 5 stack of cheaters less than a week ago. I called 3 of them out because I was absolutely sure of those 3. My teammates all just berated me and called me a moron. Then a teammate said watch, ill turn on cheats and ♥♥♥♥ on them and they wont do anything. So he did. And the next round, their entire team started no spread jump shotting our whole team. Our cheater never got another kill, even with his cheats and half of our deaths were through walls - we never even saw anybody after that for the most part. That's how bad people are at recognizing when people are cheating. I had an entire team willing to berate me into the ground when it was THAT painfully obvious to me. There were at least 6 people in that game cheating. That's sad.

[Quasi-Bad]

Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:

According to the Canadian elf, running into cheaters is due to having "low trust factor" as he is so high, mighty, and holy, that he never runs into any cheaters.

hes canadian, that explains alot. Canada, bastards. Poison my ass, deny me healthcare. Now im wasting away waiting on a specialist to do something about my parathyroid, my quality of life has been gone the last few years.

Zero ♥♥♥♥♥ given, thats what canada is like.

https://regina.ctvnews.ca/more-than-3-million-canadians-currently-waiting-for-surgeries-specialists-and-scans-data-shows-1.6701376

[FaiÏry Reálm ツ]

Originally posted by Quasi-Bad:

Originally posted by CS2 Sucks:

According to the Canadian elf, running into cheaters is due to having "low trust factor" as he is so high, mighty, and holy, that he never runs into any cheaters.

hes canadian, that explains alot. Canada, bastards. Poison my ass, deny me healthcare. Now im wasting away waiting on a specialist to do something about my parathyroid, my quality of life has been gone the last few years.

Zero ♥♥♥♥♥ given, thats what canada is like.

hmnnnn ,,... zero fcks givenn

[Thaziques Oliviér]

Just never mind, guys mocked you coz were conceived in a sin.............

4.5 months have gone since release. Not less, not more. Many abandoned. Many opinions raised what's wrong, what should be fixed etc.
I just thought how much money a company need to shift their business vectors from a money making to a product quality. Meanwhile you know as much you get money as much you want to get more. it is not an easy dilemma..........

I just thought all people were comparing CS2 release with CSGO release but I think it's wrong. Time changed, circumstances changed, everything changed. But I should admit the people don't like to break their habits.

Most people thought Premiere would kill Faceit but it hasn't. This means it is unknown how it all will end up... I mean community and the rest........ I am really interested in it

I donno what motivates you to push a competitive button maybe you donno how to kill your time. I thing we grow up and never be the same again. And this game won't be the same again. Niko degraded at CS2. Pop substitutes trance..... Cheaters substitute players. I am really interested how this TV show will end up

[slok]

valve is making money from cheats or there would be none. simple as that.

[slok]

Originally posted by {SçM} TonyFetuccini_:

According to the Canadian elf, running into cheaters is due to having "low trust factor" as he is so high, mighty, and holy, that he never runs into any cheaters.

even pros are quitting and teams are disbanding because there is no business security when cheating is allowed or not punished.

[slok]

they want to kill the game there is no other answer to give.

[Hamless Hog]

Originally posted by slok:

valve is making money from cheats or there would be none. simple as that.

No they arent. do you support cheaters?

[Hamless Hog]

Originally posted by slok:

Originally posted by {SçM} TonyFetuccini_:

According to the Canadian elf, running into cheaters is due to having "low trust factor" as he is so high, mighty, and holy, that he never runs into any cheaters.

even pros are quitting and teams are disbanding because there is no business security when cheating is allowed or not punished.

Exactly, that means less money for valve.

Originally posted by slok:

they want to kill the game there is no other answer to give.

Why on earth would they want that?