Theory: Why Valve removed demos

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Valve removed demos so CS2 weirdness can't be downloaded and circulated all over internet... I have literally like 20 clips of dying behind walls which I can't download and share them as solid proof. Thanks to people who stream Captured those CS2 craziness and shared everywhere.


Valve said, They removed demos cause Servers are loaded but if you look at players counts you can clearly see CS2 is having worst active players in 2023 atm. There should less server load more than ever and certainly doesn't make any sense why they remove demos for it.

They wont even allow demos to download even in off hours where the game servers are mostly idle like late night or early morning


Conclusion: even valve knows how bad their game is and purposely disabled demos to stop people share and trash the game all over internet. A claim without video evidence can't be easily disregard as " Placebo/Skill issues" etc by No job Valve volunteers

They will probably allow it when CS2 in more stable state

Let me what you think

[swrv]

More likely the earth is flat and the moon is a hologram

[Fr4ntic]

What I think : conspiracy thinking on something valve ( accorfing to you ) even made a statement about .
Maybe try to steer away from those thougths .

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Originally posted by SkRisM:

More likely the earth is flat and the moon is a hologram

When your schizophrenia starts showing

[76561199149692366]

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

What I think : conspiracy thinking on something valve ( accorfing to you ) even made a statement about .
Maybe try to steer away from those thougths .

The reasons are already given why it makes 0 sense why disabling demos over server load is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ when the numbers in steam players statistics clearly says otherwise

Like how you expect me to believe this story like a dumb sheep when facts are there to see ?

[Reported.]

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

What I think : conspiracy thinking on something valve ( accorfing to you ) even made a statement about .
Maybe try to steer away from those thougths .

Believe.

[Ancient Oldie]

You still can record the demos yourself:

in the console (after the warmup has ended, to prevent bugs):
type: record demoname
And it will locally record your game and give it your demoname as a filename.

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Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

What I think : conspiracy thinking on something valve ( accorfing to you ) even made a statement about .
Maybe try to steer away from those thougths .

Cause Everything has been told to public always been truth. Black and white.
"Never doubt game devs, We only tell the truth " - Todd Howard

Inspirational.

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Originally posted by Jester:

record their gameplay through shadowplay

You probably never played CS:GO and don't know what you are talking about. Demo viewer in CS:GO allowed to see replay from anoyone's eyes perspective. You can literally switch to cheater's pov and see him tracing opponents through thin walls and smoke.
Shadowplay can't do that, it records only your personal pov.

[baaked]

Or perhaps the absurd geometry alignment issues are only one technique is how valve is building anti-cheat, and having an early lead in natural data is key to avoiding something drastic and obscene like kernel anti-cheat.

[Jester]

Besides, your post wasn't about seeing cheaters. Your post was about "CS2 craziness". Are you really going to go through every demo and every POV to try and capture any "craziness" you yourself don't experience?

I've got a question for you. Why don't you trust Valve? Why don't you trust that they are just telling the truth and that they know more than you do since they literally made the game?

[Ancient Oldie]

Originally posted by Jester:

Originally posted by Ancient Oldie:

The demo gives you the possibilities of looking from different points of view. A video is a 1 time recording and you can't look back at it from another players point of view, or from an overview spot, looking at multiple players.

Originally posted by zïsWõP>æ&jȨ(U29?q˶«kE:

You probably never played CS:GO and don't know what you are talking about. Demo viewer in CS:GO allowed to see replay from anoyone's eyes perspective. You can literally switch to cheater's pov and see him tracing opponents through thin walls and smoke.
Shadowplay can't do that, it records only your personal pov.

I've played CS for a lot longer than you. Anyone that's ever played CS will tell you that the demo viewer is hilariously inaccurate when it comes to watching people's POVs because it sees the game *as the server*. If you've ever watched a demo back, the demo misses a lot of key details that players don't see as they get it in real time.

What the servers see and what players see are completely different.

You miss the point that it has more possibilities than just a single point in time video. Allthough it's not fully accurate. it's still better than a screen recorded video.

[Jester]

Originally posted by Ancient Oldie:

Originally posted by Jester:

I've played CS for a lot longer than you. Anyone that's ever played CS will tell you that the demo viewer is hilariously inaccurate when it comes to watching people's POVs because it sees the game *as the server*. If you've ever watched a demo back, the demo misses a lot of key details that players don't see as they get it in real time.

What the servers see and what players see are completely different.

You miss the point that it has more possibilities than just a single point in time video. Allthough it's not fully accurate. it's still better than a screen recorded video.

Okay, sure, but the point still stands - OP says that the player count is down yet just ignores the fact that CS2 is on subtick and the packet sizes are 2x the size of CSGO. If you have any demos downloaded from when they were enabled, the demo files are way larger than CSGOs demos.

That's the reason that, despite the (marginally) lower player count, the demos still aren't available for CS2. There is no conspiracy theory here - it is simply a question of server bandwidth.

[Jester]

Just to provide evidence, I've got two demos here.

One is a 16:13 game on CSGO that is 77mb, the other is a 13:11 game on CS2 that is 162mb. Both are on Overpass.

There is more information contained in the demos because of subtick, therefore they require more server capacity to record and save the demos. It's as simple as that.

[Ancient Oldie]

Originally posted by Jester:

Originally posted by Ancient Oldie:

You miss the point that it has more possibilities than just a single point in time video. Allthough it's not fully accurate. it's still better than a screen recorded video.

Okay, sure, but the point still stands - OP says that the player count is down yet just ignores the fact that CS2 is on subtick and the packet sizes are 2x the size of CSGO. If you have any demos downloaded from when they were enabled, the demo files are way larger than CSGOs demos.

That's the reason that, despite the (marginally) lower player count, the demos still aren't available for CS2. There is no conspiracy theory here - it is simply a question of server bandwidth.

I agree that there is no conspiracy, for the rest, I didn't dive into the 'why are there no replays'-part of the story. Most likely something technical yes.

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Originally posted by Jester:

What the servers see and what players see are completely different.

Good point, that's for sure another reason why demos are not available. Game lag compensation and player position prediction should make you see on screen as closely as possible what server sees. In reality in CS2 netcode is so bad, we get constantly desynced and you see yourselft miles away from position server sees you, Hence the "death behind the wall" surprise mechanic of CS2.

Originally posted by Jester:

Why don't you trust Valve? Why don't you trust that they are just telling the truth and that they know more than you do since they literally made the game?

CS2 dev team for the whole month is proving again and again they are absolutely incompetent. Just read recent steam reviews or this forum. CS2 technologically is years behind CS:GO. Only good working part so far is new graphics. Thx for realistic water, but I'd rather have the actually working hitreg plz. HD model and texture pack for CS:GO would be much greater success then this entire CS2 adventure.
CS2 dev team at this points has zero credibility, its crazy to believe even a single word they say.