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FIX THAT GAME, ALL GAMES HAVE 1 LITTLE ♥♥♥♥ WITH WALL AND AIMBOT, ♥♥♥♥ THIS
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Wild#Cat!♥ Oct 9, 2023 @ 6:20am 
you cannot cheat on vac secured servers :steamsalty:
Wild#Cat!♥ Oct 9, 2023 @ 6:27am 
I don't think there are cheats in CS. Or any other valve game like dota. I mean, it's not like u can just buy a cheat for 8 bucks a month for a game that large, it's valve we're talking about..
ule Oct 9, 2023 @ 7:54am 
Problem with that is both the development of "softaim" software as well as "ROG chipping" hardware... 2nd goes by many names and is relatively secretive, but it's external cheats ran through a completely different PC, "KiddyBoxer" is another one that's classified as "External"

Hey there- I've been in and around the cheating scene for years and damn, you're a good example of the dunning kruger effect. There's a lot to breakdown, but let me try to help.

First off- where did you even hear "rog chipping"? That isn't a thing. I believe the term you're looking for is "dma" or "direct memory access". These are hardware pcie cards that read information from your gaming pc's ram and send it to a second pc. From this data you can create things like radar, walls, aimbot, etc. That's cutting out a lot of the technical stuff for brevity, but if you're still curious I recommend looking on some well known cheating/hacking related forums to learn more about how dma, fusers, custom firmware, and hardware mouse simulation work. These are not new technologies (though they are being innovated on and improved) and are not that secretive or obscure.

For everyone else in the thread- this being said, what do you want to see valve do? Like actually, more than just saying "fix the game" and "get rid of cheaters" how do you expect them to do that- what do you want them to do?

  • "improve vac"?

    I think it's unreasonable to expect valve to develop their own ac that catches almost all cheaters. You have to keep in mind that they are more of a digital storefront than they are a game company at this point in time. Ignoring the fact that it would require an intrusive anticheat which valve is historically against in their games- it would be a colossal cost and effort for a game that makes up a fraction of their total revenue. That's not to say valve doesn't care about their game or the quality of the game, but it just isn't worth the effort to completely overhaul vac to that degree.

  • "use 3rd party anticheats like BE and EAC"?

    Ignoring the fact that these are intrusive and valve is unlikely to ever even do this- these all can be bypassed. ALL anticheats have working bypasses right now, some public some private. Even if there wasn't a bypass for a specific anticheat, proper dma firmware will never get hit on almost all anticheats. The best anticheats out there from what I know are faceit and vanguard. Most dma firmware can't bypass these, but cfw is out there and does it with ease for the right price. Even then- these anticheats are hard to cheat on not just because of the ac, but also because of their manual bans. They have employees check things out and can catch even properly spoofed dma cards by doing so.

    That being said- valve is extremely unlikely to take the path of employing a third-party and even less likely to maintain the anticheat and manually check out reports to the extent that they'd be able to catch proper cheats. It's just not worth their time and the cost.

  • "bring back overwatch"

    One of issue with this is that it uses regular players to analyze and review a demo. The barrier of entry for this is low, and they are not familiar with cheats, their features and exploits, and what is and isn't cheating. The system was fine for catching rage hackers and obvious hackers, but a closet cheater or a cheater with a brain would never be caught this way. Not to mention- vacnet has been slowly improving and has been catching a sizeable portion of rage hackers, making this method redundant.

    Another issue with this system is how it's been exploited. The demos didn't do a good enough job of anonymizing the suspect, and thus bad actors could find out who was being reviewed in the case. They would set up bots to autovote if they recognized a certain steamid. Due to the sheer scale of overwatch bots, it was likely that in any given case they'd have the majority of the votes. In doing so- if a blatant cheater paid an overwatch bot hoster for whitelist, every case that had that player in it would be autovoted no by the bots, effectively making that person unbannable by overwatch. On the flip side of that- you could pay a bot hoster to attempt to get a player banned. If any overwatch case popped up with your victim in it, the bots would autovote yes to everything regardless of it being true or not. This could lead to people getting falsely banned.

    Due to it's how overwatch was designed- it was easily exploitable, bypassable, and redundant. I don't think it's likely at all that it gets brought back.

In saying all this, I'm not trying to be overly pessimistic, I'm just trying to be realistic. What do you think could be done? What would you like to see done? I think most people aren't well educated on the cat and mouse game of anticheats and cheaters, so when they think they have a eureka moment where they think of something "smart" it wouldn't work in actuality. All anticheats have bypasses- both for single pc cheats and dma firmware. I would love to see the game and its ac improve as much as the next person, but I think we need less ignorant people saying meaningless things like "fix the game", and more actual ideas thrown about for that to happen.
Last edited by ule; Oct 9, 2023 @ 7:59am
Breaker Oct 9, 2023 @ 8:23pm 
do you guys got resolution on Trust factor to green
lemontea Oct 9, 2023 @ 8:32pm 
Originally posted by Linda':
Originally posted by OJoooohn:
we need an anti cheat via kernel, like vanguard, i played valorant a few times, like 50 hours max, i never had a game with hackers
valve will NEVER go the kernel route for their anticheat, that would go against everything they have said and done effectively since steam existed and would completely break compatibility with linux and macos
LIKE IT MATTERS THEY ARE DROPPING SUPPORT FOR THEM AS OF JANUARY
about:blank Oct 10, 2023 @ 7:18am 
Originally posted by n3on:
Originally posted by OJoooohn:
we need an anti cheat via kernel, like vanguard, i played valorant a few times, like 50 hours max, i never had a game with hackers

go to sleep. vanguard doesn't see ♥♥♥♥. lead admin of security is sitting and checking all reported demos manually and that was reported multiple times. same goes for faceit. for now overwatch is the only way. people don't cheat in valorant because it is cringe to do that there. in cs people have completely different mentality
I never seen an cheater in valorant on my games, at least, however in cs 2, it is in VERY SINGLE GAME
about:blank Oct 13, 2023 @ 2:36pm 
another game with 2 hackers, and 3 more friends, wallhack, aimbot, everything. ♥♥♥♥ this, and don't get banned by vac live, ♥♥♥♥ this, ♥♥♥♥ valve, kernel anti-cheat now! "antii cheat kernel, that would go against everything they" ♥♥♥♥ YOU, this game NEED A BETTER ANTI CHEAT
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Date Posted: Oct 8, 2023 @ 6:29pm
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