The fraudulent activities of Valve needs to be talked about

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- Merged old csgo reviews ( 95% positive) to cs2 reviews ( 50% rotten ) to get a overall good rating for CS2. Now CS2 has a very positive reviews despite its should be mixed.....Review Manipulation you call it. Abusing the power

- Removed the net_graph 1 command so people can't see how bad the server is.

- Gave us 64 tick again with a new name subtick and locked the server client sided so 3rd parties community servers can't use 128 tick and set the bar higher. If you can't reach their level just sabotage them.

- Removed majority of the maps. CSGO had total 34 maps before removed. Now we have only 10 and 7 of them are just port from source 1. They only remade 3 = new counter strike

- Same old guns
- Same old gun sound
- same gun animations

- Removed the map based player models like elite crew/Gign/Separatist/Pirates etc so they can sell them later. What we had free in csgo will be sold for profit in cs2



People roasted Blizzard and overwatch 2 for far less but When it's about CS2 " I pretend I didnt see it" 🤣

Valve is greedy and lazy = Fact.

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Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

You have a limited Steam account. This means you have spent less than $5 in your entire time on Steam. Prime costs $15. Whose alt are you?

Got a gift from my girlfriend.

[Ben Lubar]

Valve announced CS2 as a free update to CS:GO. I don't think they've ever made any claims otherwise.

Are you old enough to have been alive for the release of RuneScape 3? Other games have changed the number in their title to signify a big update before and the world didn't end.

[76561199149692366]

Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

Valve announced CS2 as a free update to CS:GO. I don't think they've ever made any claims otherwise.

Are you old enough to have been alive for the release of RuneScape 3? Other games have changed the number in their title to signify a big update before and the world didn't end.

You still saying these routine nonsense I literally listed some major point why CS2 not an upgrade but a new game ?

So suppose you and me made a game together. We both credited for all these years and finally we decided to make a big upgrade, What's give you the right to delete my name from the upgrade if it's the same game ?

Cause it's not.. otherwise Valve would get class action lawsuit from hidden path for removing their name from CS2 who literally developed the whole CSGO for them.

CS2 is a new game. Not an upgrade. Wikipedia clearly says it's the filth instalment. Valve clearly said the next major will be first CS2 major and Paris major was last major which ends an era.

Clearly a new game....

[Renos]

Автор сообщения: Lobotomized

Автор сообщения: Renos

ho boy quite the meme of a post by OP not sure if bait but i've got nothing better to do.

- Merged old csgo reviews ( 95% positive) to cs2 reviews ( 50% rotten ) to get a overall good rating for CS2. Now CS2 has a very positive reviews despite its should be mixed.....Review Manipulation you call it. Abusing the power

For one cs2 wasnt shipped as a new game it's an update to csgo. And lets be honest half the recent reviews are people malding about not upgrading their computer for the last 10 years. Or a failure to read the dev post regarding CSGO's legacy client,

- Removed the net_graph 1 command so people can't see how bad the server is.
This command was never in source 2 to being with. It got replaced by another command that basically shows the exact same thing the net graph in source 1 did. Also net graph never showed the server's performance only a few bits about your own connection to the server.


- Gave us 64 tick again with a new name subtick and locked the server client sided so 3rd parties community servers can't use 128 tick and set the bar higher. If you can't reach their level just sabotage them.
Subtick is its wormhole that's to big to fully break down in this post. But a quick summery. Subtick aims to make the game more responsive than 128 tick csgo ever was while keeping the tick rate at an easily manageable stable 64 tick. The netcode was heavily coded with the tickrate being 64 in mind for multiple reasons because of this, In fact since the first release of the beta for cs2 to even change it to 128 tick you had to hack the server DLL. The client could never actually run faster than 64 tick, And forcing the change via the hack caused so many bugs, Valve decided it was better to just make it so no matter what you can't mess with it instead of getting thousands of 128 exclusive bug reports,

While yes subtick has an extensive list of oddities and bugs. That's the same for any new netcode rolled out and will get better over time as the devs iron it out.


- Removed majority of the maps. CSGO had total 34 maps before removed. Now we have only 10 and 7 of them are just port from source 1. They only remade 3 = new counter strike
Let's be honest out of 29 official valve made maps how many of those were actually popular and played on,
all of the war games maps have not been touched since 2012 and are in bad need of remakes which we know are coming based on things left in the game files, and war games itself was a dying game mode, The population count was super low and The community versions were way better, I'd say let valve actually just remake all of it in a future date.

Danger Zone also had super low player counts towards the end and is getting an overhaul.
assualt milita are likely gone for good
cobblestone is getting another remake.
community maps need to be taken care of by their creators.
Seems to me all the popular and actually played on valve made maps are here in cs2.

- Same old guns
Every gun got a new model and new ones likely on the way if the loadout system is anything to go by.
- Same old gun sound
Almost every weapon got it's sounds tweaked and are not exactly the same as csgo.
- same gun animations
if it ain't broke don't fix it
- Removed the map based player models like elite crew/Gign/Separatist/Pirates etc so they can sell them later. What we had free in csgo will be sold for profit in cs2
honestly yeah prob your only accurate point. Valve will likely just replace them all with agents if they don't bring back map based factions. a pseudo return to 1.6 and source where you just picked your own.

Valve promoted CS2 as a new game. They said goodbye to CSGO.

The last major was called LAST CSGO MAJOR.

Wikipedia page says CS2 is 5th installment of counter strike

Valve removed Hidden path credit who co developed CSGO. Since it's a new game they can remove the old credits now. Makes it obvious it's a new game. If it was just an upgrade they can ever remove the old credits from the store page and intro. CSGO always credited both Valve and Hidden path.


Crystal clear it's a new game not just a merely update.

Also I didn't read further. Since you are so wrong in your very first point

Honestly hidden path should have been removed from the store page back in 2013.
they have not had a hand in csgo's developement since it's release date and even then it was only to do the console port of csgo.
but valve didn't actually update to store page over the years since then before the cs2 release.
I mean cmon it still had screenshots from the 2012 build of csgo there.
also updates can be shipped to a game that make it into another one,
literally every MMO on the planet follows this,
compare WoW classic to WoW retail 2 entirely different games but shared the same store page and reviews until classic became a thing,

Even 2023 csgo and 2012 csgo are 2 VERY diffrent games when you compare the 2 but yet still had the same store page. And if we ever get a CS2 10-15 years from now it will likely keep the store page from CS2,

And it's not like you didnt keep things from csgo
you know
player stats
inventory
collectibles
MM log.

CS2 isnt an entirely new game. Just a very large update/overhaul
So nope my first point was not even wrong,

[Ben Lubar]

So clearly not old enough to remember RuneScape 3. I'll explain it, then.

When Jagex updated RuneScape 2 by rewriting the engine, improving the graphics, changing the default music, adding seasonal leaderboards, new audio technology, a completely redesigned UI... They renamed the game to RuneScape 3.

And the world didn't end. People kept all the items they had obtained in RuneScape 2 in the transition to RuneScape 3. It was an update. Just like there had been thousands of before, and many more after. It was a very big update, so they felt that changing the name of the game was important to signify this. But an update, nonetheless.

[Renos]

Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

So clearly not old enough to remember RuneScape 3. I'll explain it, then.

When Jagex updated RuneScape 2 by rewriting the engine, improving the graphics, changing the default music, adding seasonal leaderboards, new audio technology, a completely redesigned UI... They renamed the game to RuneScape 3.

And the world didn't end. People kept all the items they had obtained in RuneScape 2 in the transition to RuneScape 3. It was an update. Just like there had been thousands of before, and many more after. It was a very big update, so they felt that changing the name of the game was important to signify this. But an update, nonetheless.

Don't even have to stop at runescaoe
cs1,5 to cs1.6
ffxiv to ffxiv a realm reborn
dota 2 to dota 2 reborn
minecraft to minecraft bedrock
fortnite to fortnite battle royale
just to name a few more

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Автор сообщения: Renos

Автор сообщения: Lobotomized

Valve promoted CS2 as a new game. They said goodbye to CSGO.

The last major was called LAST CSGO MAJOR.

Wikipedia page says CS2 is 5th installment of counter strike

Valve removed Hidden path credit who co developed CSGO. Since it's a new game they can remove the old credits now. Makes it obvious it's a new game. If it was just an upgrade they can ever remove the old credits from the store page and intro. CSGO always credited both Valve and Hidden path.


Crystal clear it's a new game not just a merely update.

Also I didn't read further. Since you are so wrong in your very first point

Honestly hidden path should have been removed from the store page back in 2013.
they have not had a hand in csgo's developement since it's release date and even then it was only to do the console port of csgo.
but valve didn't actually update to store page over the years since then before the cs2 release.
I mean cmon it still had screenshots from the 2012 build of csgo there.
also updates can be shipped to a game that make it into another one,
literally every MMO on the planet follows this,
compare WoW classic to WoW retail 2 entirely different games but shared the same store page and reviews until classic became a thing,

Even 2023 csgo and 2012 csgo are 2 VERY diffrent games when you compare the 2 but yet still had the same store page. And if we ever get a CS2 10-15 years from now it will likely keep the store page from CS2,

And it's not like you didnt keep things from csgo
you know
player stats
inventory
collectibles
MM log.

CS2 isnt an entirely new game. Just a very large update/overhaul
So nope my first point was not even wrong,

Hidden didn't develop merely the console port of CSGO. They made CSGO ( a brand new game ) for console using the left for dead /portal assets . Valve saw the potential of their amazing work and took the opportunity to make it a PC game and go biggar. Which today we are playing now. Which was fully developed by hidden path from the ground and handed to Valve once they released it. They could very well updated it to perfection if they had control but since valve took over they couldn't

All these years valve just updated the base game hidden path made and made money out of it. Just like they did to COUNTER strike 1. Bought the 2 modders Minh lee and Jess cliffe and created the CS franchise.

Valved hated to give credit to hidden path so much that they decided to not even credit themselves after the paranoma update. Before that we could see both valve and hidden path are mentioned in the intro, after the paranoma update it mentions neither.

Valve is like everyone knows it's our game, won't matter if we mention ourselves or not but better make people forget the hidden path name who originally developed it lol

Now since CS2 is out they are back to putting their name in the intro and this time it's ONLY them

[Ben Lubar]

You have a very unique and incorrect idea of how game development works.

[76561199149692366]

Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

You have a very unique and incorrect idea of how game development works.

You can just find the hidden path ceo giving interview about CSGO development to others developers in a conference and know all about its history....YT it

and valve literally did nothing but just give hidden path access to their Source engine, Portal and LFD assets. CSGO was fully made by them. Just like Black Mesa or CS1 was made by modders.

Valve has nothing to do with early csgo build.

[Ben Lubar]

Автор сообщения: Lobotomized

Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

You have a very unique and incorrect idea of how game development works.

You can just find the hidden path ceo giving interview about CSGO development to others developers in a conference and know all about its history....YT it

and valve literally did nothing but just give them access of their Source engine, Portal and LFD assets. CSGO was fully made by them. Just like Black Mesa or CS1 was made by modders.

Valve has nothing to do with early csgo build.

Should CS2 be marked as "developed by Id Software, Pop Dog and Turtle Rock", then? By your logic, if someone has ever touched a piece of software, they are permanently the author of that software, even if it's been over a decade and every piece of code they wrote has been changed since.

[76561199149692366]

Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

Автор сообщения: Lobotomized

You can just find the hidden path ceo giving interview about CSGO development to others developers in a conference and know all about its history....YT it

and valve literally did nothing but just give them access of their Source engine, Portal and LFD assets. CSGO was fully made by them. Just like Black Mesa or CS1 was made by modders.

Valve has nothing to do with early csgo build.

Should CS2 be marked as "developed by Id Software, Pop Dog and Turtle Rock", then? By your logic, if someone has ever touched a piece of software, they are permanently the author of that software, even if it's been over a decade and every piece of code they wrote has been changed since.

No and that's why CS2 has no Hidden path's name. Prove my point why it's a new game. If it's just an upgrade of CSGO then you have to give credit to original dev. They didn't cause it's new game.

[Ben Lubar]

So your claim is that appid 730 must have been developed by Hidden Path but if they put exactly the same code and assets on a new appid it would not have been developed by Hidden Path? That's a very strange definition of what a game is.

[76561199149692366]

Автор сообщения: Ben Lubar

So your claim is that appid 730 must have been developed by Hidden Path but if they put exactly the same code and assets on a new appid it would not have been developed by Hidden Path? That's a very strange definition of what a game is.

Thanks to Valve for all the trickery

[Ben Lubar]

I look forward to when one of the people who constantly threaten lawsuits actually follows through with it and I get to read some fun court documents.