Cheaters in CS2 and Valve's Anti-Cheat

[✪ VinGuy]

This is very annoying and I am heartbroken.

I have loved the counter Strike series since I was in High School (2015). With cheaters in CS:GO being a huge issue and now seeing it in CS2 with Valve's "AI Anti-Cheat", I am utterly disgusted.

Last Night, after a hard days work from 8 am - 6 m I wanted to platy some competitive games with a few friends. Now that you have to get 10 wins on each competitive map, this is going to be a grind for us. Even more now that we are all out of college and have real jobs, to is hard to play more than 3 games a night. Two out of the Three matches we played last night had at least 1 cheater in the game. Being so utterly blatant; pre-firing everything, hitting one taps through walls and smoke, and on top of that, when we called them out on cheating, they got extremely racist and making homophobic comments.

Why can't Valve own up and finally create a good anti-cheat? Maybe one like their main competitor Valorant has. If Valve makes a downloadable anti-cheat, it would most likely reduce a lot of cheaters, or at the very least discourage cheaters from cheating. Now, I know Valorant also has cheaters, but the ratio of players and cheaters is slim compared so Counter Strike's player base. Maybe Valve should be IP/Hardware BANNING cheaters from just buying a new account and cheating on an alt.

Another topic I'd like to discuss is their Trust Factor. I think this is the dumbest thing they could have ever done. New players instantly going into low trust just because their Steam account is new and they're new to PC gaming. What if they wanted to play CS2 for the first time on their brand new PC and just created a Steam account? Now they are automatically in Low Trust playing against a bunch of cheaters, discouraged from ever playing CS2 again and missing the chance to join a great community.

Please Valve, we aren't asking for a lot here. I've seen $0.50 games with anti-cheats that actually work. Just please do us 2 things: Get an incredible Anti-Cheat in which you have to download it onto the player's PC. We all know you have the funds to do so since you are a Multi-Billion dollar Company. The other is to entirely get rid of Trust Factor.

Thank you for your time in reading this post.

Sincerely,
VinGuy

[✪ VinGuy]

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

Messaggio originale di ✪ VinGuy:

Exactly! Glad I'm not alone, not just looking out for existing players, but drawing new ones in.

So you're of the same opinion as Valve and the vast majority of players. Good job..I guess?

The issue is not the goal, most want the same thing. The issue is the road there, which is not an easy one. People like yourself seem to be of the belief that it can just be done with a snap of the fingers and all is done and dusted. But that's not how real life works.

i agree it cannot be done over night. Valve makes $1,786,271.45 every day just from CS:GO/CS2 ALONE. (Source: https://cultmtl.com/2023/02/the-value-of-gaming-how-valve-makes-54-million-a-month-from-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s/#:~:text=Divided%20across%20641%20individual%20days,average%20and%20%24651%2C989%2C078.25%20per%20year.)

They have the funds to hire some amazing talented coders to work on a top notch anti-cheat. I'm not saying to get it down by tomorrow but it should have been done by now with it being over 13 years old.

[Froggy]

Messaggio originale di PainKiller:

this game is cheater welcoming.

Which is why roughly 25% of your friendslist are cheaters that has been banned. They sure do welcome cheaters! It's not like they're banning cheaters or anything like that. /s

[stav8]

I queued with a cheater for one game without knowing they were cheating and just lost 3000 elo. ♥♥♥♥ MM i'm playing face it from now on

[Sky Flare]

Messaggio originale di ✪ VinGuy:

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

So you're of the same opinion as Valve and the vast majority of players. Good job..I guess?

The issue is not the goal, most want the same thing. The issue is the road there, which is not an easy one. People like yourself seem to be of the belief that it can just be done with a snap of the fingers and all is done and dusted. But that's not how real life works.

i agree it cannot be done over night. Valve makes $1,786,271.45 every day just from CS:GO/CS2 ALONE. (Source: https://cultmtl.com/2023/02/the-value-of-gaming-how-valve-makes-54-million-a-month-from-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s/#:~:text=Divided%20across%20641%20individual%20days,average%20and%20%24651%2C989%2C078.25%20per%20year.)

They have the funds to hire some amazing talented coders to work on a top notch anti-cheat. I'm not saying to get it down by tomorrow but it should have been done by now with it being over 13 years old.

And cheat resellers make enough money from Credit Card Larries to hire talented coders to make top-notch cheats. Remember: this is the game where the community looks at a knife skin for sale for thousands of dollars and think "Yep, this is normal". I dare not imagine how much cheaters are willing to spend for working cheats.

That's not me defending Valve, there isn't a single company I... disagree with less. And I agree on your point that Trust Factor is a piping hot pile of BS, but cheating isn't a problem you can solve by just throwing money at it.

[Froggy]

Messaggio originale di Professor Goat:

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

So you're of the same opinion as Valve and the vast majority of players. Good job..I guess?

The issue is not the goal, most want the same thing. The issue is the road there, which is not an easy one. People like yourself seem to be of the belief that it can just be done with a snap of the fingers and all is done and dusted. But that's not how real life works.

Thanks dad, for the life lesson.

Oh wait, there's plenty of solutions out there already.

1. Stop using engines that have long-been cracked : source, source 2.

2. Use a kernel anti-hack, especially a ram reader

3. Allow your community, again, to monitor itself.

Holy.crap.look.at.that.

Just make a new engine! Simple! Yea, not really, besides, it's not like newer engines haven't been completely riddled with holes thanks to cheaters already. So what good would that do? You're more than welcome to show me a competitive game as popular as the CS-franchise that has no cheaters.

Yes, intrusive anti-cheats, very good. Much safe. If you want that, then by all means, have a chat with tencent, don't forget to give them access to all your stuff while you're at it.

This final one is the best suggestion as of yet. However, it's plenty of records of it being abused in the past. How would you solve those issues?
I've seen plenty of suggestions such as "live-admins" etc. Which opens up a whole new can of worms to deal with.

In the end, it's not as easy as some people seem to believe.

[Sky Flare]

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

Messaggio originale di Professor Goat:

Thanks dad, for the life lesson.

Oh wait, there's plenty of solutions out there already.

1. Stop using engines that have long-been cracked : source, source 2.

2. Use a kernel anti-hack, especially a ram reader

3. Allow your community, again, to monitor itself.

Holy.crap.look.at.that.

Yes, intrusive anti-cheats, very good. Much safe. If you want that, then by all means, have a chat with tencent, don't forget to give them access to all your stuff while you're at it.

Let's not forget ESEA's bitcoin miner.

[Abigail From Sneaky Squid Dept.]

Messaggio originale di Immersive Armors:

Why implement ip or hardware id bans if they don't work? All that does is punish who ever gets that ip next or people who buy used hardware.

And again that's exactly why valve doesn't dio IP or hardware bans. As the Internet cafe for punished. The cheater could just go to another internet cafe.

I also don't see how you think such a system would work in countries that don't really use or have Internet cafes.

[Froggy]

Messaggio originale di ✪ VinGuy:

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

So you're of the same opinion as Valve and the vast majority of players. Good job..I guess?

The issue is not the goal, most want the same thing. The issue is the road there, which is not an easy one. People like yourself seem to be of the belief that it can just be done with a snap of the fingers and all is done and dusted. But that's not how real life works.

i agree it cannot be done over night. Valve makes $1,786,271.45 every day just from CS:GO/CS2 ALONE. (Source: https://cultmtl.com/2023/02/the-value-of-gaming-how-valve-makes-54-million-a-month-from-♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s/#:~:text=Divided%20across%20641%20individual%20days,average%20and%20%24651%2C989%2C078.25%20per%20year.)

They have the funds to hire some amazing talented coders to work on a top notch anti-cheat. I'm not saying to get it down by tomorrow but it should have been done by now with it being over 13 years old.

Just because you have the money doesn't mean that you can magically conjure competence out of thin air. Valve have been hiring for this entire time. They can't really force people to work for them.
I'm going to use tencent as an example again, they are one of the wealthiest companies around. They're behind games such as Smite, League of Legends and Fortnite. Are those games cheater-free despite their choice in a Kernel level anti-cheat? No, they're not.
So despite all that money, despite having kernel level anti-cheat, it still didn't help.

PUBG are using Zakynthos anti-cheat currently, which is Kernel level, and there's plenty of cheaters there as well. Before that they applied BattlEye, which is also Kernel, which was so bad that they had to regionlock a certain country to curb cheating, and even that didn't help.

So yet again I ask, what actual, useful suggestion do you have? Do you seriously think that Valve haven't already heard your "suggestions" a million times over by now, and already realized that it isn't a viable solution.
What's next? Are you going to suggest HWID bans and IPbans? Not like we've seen thousands upon thousands of such threads already over the years..

Messaggio originale di Flare:

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

Yes, intrusive anti-cheats, very good. Much safe. If you want that, then by all means, have a chat with tencent, don't forget to give them access to all your stuff while you're at it.

Let's not forget ESEA's bitcoin miner.

Yes, that as well.

[沒有爸爸]

He says that people who have double accounts are the real cheaters in the game.

[🌸Theia AWP🌸]

Look Valve, you have cheaters from CSGO in CS2 that already making live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYK9-XQUuk&ab_channel=badguynessie

[🌸Theia AWP🌸]

Messaggio originale di BLKoldSUN:

Look Valve, you have cheaters from CSGO in CS2 that already making live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYK9-XQUuk&ab_channel=badguynessie

he has been banned live hahahahaha

[Froggy]

Messaggio originale di BLKoldSUN:

Look Valve, you have cheaters from CSGO in CS2 that already making live
*removed link*

You mean the guy that just got banned by VAC?
https://prnt.sc/CisJiDB10-9e

Excellent advertisement there
Edited out the youtube link as to not advertise the cheater. Also censored the name of the channel for the same reason.

[🌸Theia AWP🌸]

Messaggio originale di Froggy:

Messaggio originale di BLKoldSUN:

Look Valve, you have cheaters from CSGO in CS2 that already making live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MYK9-XQUuk&ab_channel=badguynessie

You mean the guy that just got banned by VAC?
https://prnt.sc/r8sYMCfm9OKJ

Excellent advertisement there

yes

[Diabla]

While I agree there are too many cheaters in the game. I applaud Valve for not forcing us to install some intrusive malware kernel anticheat, I literally don't play Valorant because of this reason.

[Flame]

I agree with you on everything, the trust factor is broken, a new player gets to play the game verified by a friend, this game is going to die because of so many people cheating. It is a huge frustration in every game to find cheating people.