Counter-Strike 2

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Sausageson Oct 1, 2023 @ 6:33am
Why does the release date say 2012?
Didnt it just come out recently?
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Ⓢⓐⓣⓐⓝ Oct 1, 2023 @ 9:34pm 
im wondering the same thing lol
Artos Oct 1, 2023 @ 9:38pm 
Unethical business practice. They replaced the player data of CSGO with CSGO 2, while in fact they are 2 very different games. 1 was great, 2 is a hot mess
Dr. Sunflower Oct 1, 2023 @ 9:41pm 
Originally posted by Sausageson:
Didnt it just come out recently?
Its basically CSGO but with a Overhaul on everything being Lighting, Items, Gameplay, and Maps so I see why it still shows it being released on 2012
Dragon3043 Oct 1, 2023 @ 9:44pm 
CS GO release date, this is basically just a giant patch to CS GO.
Cooperal Oct 1, 2023 @ 9:46pm 
Looking at your profile you are surely familiar with CSGO. CS2 overwrote CSGO when it launched, very literally usurping its store page, community hub, reviews and item market included.

Whether or not it has been left there by accident, 2012 is CSGOs release year.
artayd2 Oct 1, 2023 @ 9:47pm 
Originally posted by Artos:
Unethical business practice. They replaced the player data of CSGO with CSGO 2, while in fact they are 2 very different games. 1 was great, 2 is a hot mess

This.
Jrmngndr Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:00pm 
Originally posted by artayd2:
Originally posted by Artos:
Unethical business practice. They replaced the player data of CSGO with CSGO 2, while in fact they are 2 very different games. 1 was great, 2 is a hot mess

This.

That's why it has been released as a Beta, so the fact that whenever you complain, no matter how legit the complaint is, it can be easily justified or ignored due to the game being in Beta. Easy.
KING Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:12pm 
Probably because it was a transfer from the CSGO engine to the source engine 2, and it's not a full new release as some people assume. Yes it was a major change, but it's not newly released game but rather a graphical update, and that's the point they're making with the data being the same, people not having to pay for CS2, also CSGO not being there anymore since it's been replaced by it's update, cs2.

Wow also had a graphical update, so did dota2, so did league of legends, so did other games. Otherwise you would've kept csgo, the official servers would've shut down like they did in cs1.6 and css, and cs2 would've been a brand new release that you would've paid another $15 or $60 whatever they want to charge for it and now the community wouldn't be split in 3, but in 4, and people would give them hell for deleting all the skins, not keeping matchmaking going in csgo, etc. CS2 was coming, csgo was moving from it's old 2012 engine to the source 2 engine, and that's that. This was the best solution.

I personally would've liked a new counter strike 2 sold for $60 a copy with absolutely no chance of a discount(like csgo was selling itself for $3.75) instead so we can wipe over all the cheaters who boosted accounts for free when csgo when f2p and they let people boost to prime by reaching level 20 and everyone abused vertigo until they shut it down after like 2 years, a period in which millions of accounts were probably farmed and used to this day to cheat. Maybe by 2045 we'll wipe some of those out.
Jrmngndr Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:16pm 
Originally posted by KING:
Probably because it was a transfer from the CSGO engine to the source engine 2, and it's not a full new release as some people assume. Yes it was a major change, but it's not newly released game but rather a graphical update

Which becomes more obvious when you look back at past CS titles and their differences. CS1.6 to Source was light and day and so was Source to GO. CS2 is a clear visual polishment of the previous 'idea', with slight changes to 'refresh' your eyes.
Baxxy.Nut Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:17pm 
Originally posted by Artos:
Unethical business practice. They replaced the player data of CSGO with CSGO 2, while in fact they are 2 very different games. 1 was great, 2 is a hot mess
malding. it was the only logical choice. cs2 is a csgo upgrade. not a new game. unethical would have been launching cs2 as a new game, making them pay $15 for it, stopping all support for csgo, and making csgo skins not transfer. you got the best possible situation.
Artos Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:23pm 
Originally posted by KING:
Probably because it was a transfer from the CSGO engine to the source engine 2, and it's not a full new release as some people assume. Yes it was a major change, but it's not newly released game but rather a graphical update, and that's the point they're making with the data being the same, people not having to pay for CS2, also CSGO not being there anymore since it's been replaced by it's update, cs2.

Wow also had a graphical update, so did dota2, so did league of legends, so did other games. Otherwise you would've kept csgo, the official servers would've shut down like they did in cs1.6 and css, and cs2 would've been a brand new release that you would've paid another $15 or $60 whatever they want to charge for it and now the community wouldn't be split in 3, but in 4, and people would give them hell for deleting all the skins, not keeping matchmaking going in csgo, etc. CS2 was coming, csgo was moving from it's old 2012 engine to the source 2 engine, and that's that. This was the best solution.

I personally would've liked a new counter strike 2 sold for $60 a copy with absolutely no chance of a discount(like csgo was selling itself for $3.75) instead so we can wipe over all the cheaters who boosted accounts for free when csgo when f2p and they let people boost to prime by reaching level 20 and everyone abused vertigo until they shut it down after like 2 years, a period in which millions of accounts were probably farmed and used to this day to cheat. Maybe by 2045 we'll wipe some of those out.

WOW is still wow, it didn't change how it feels and you can easily compare it by playing classic and retail. Obviously some skills are changed, but you don't feel a change in walking or accepting quests. Dota 2 is still dota and league is also still league, the feel of those games didn't change and they only updated graphics, not reworked features.

NOW, CSGO 2, while it looks similar, shooting is different, I kinda feel sometimes as Im shooting from third person but its really first, idk how to best describe that feel. Seeing legs is just obstable. I would add more, having now legs makes jumping and going on ladder much more difficult. For some reason they just block players. Like when I try jumping on Silo on nuke, I legit feel legs getting stuck between pipes making jumping more difficult... Sound system was completly reworked and grenades fly a bit differently as well. Same looks, different feel

I could bet you CSGO 1 would have higher population of players going on community servers or FACEIT, than CSGO 2 would ever have after they discontinued support for CSGO 1 simply because 2 is garbage. But still I rather them sell CSGO 2 again, than them replace 1 and get rid of it. There was legit nothing wrong with 1. They could have literally block market for CSGO 1, leave us with copy of all of the skins, and copy our inventory to CSGO 2. Simple as that...
saedelaerex Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:24pm 
because it's an update or expansion of CSGO, simple
Artos Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:26pm 
Originally posted by Baxxy.Nut:
Originally posted by Artos:
Unethical business practice. They replaced the player data of CSGO with CSGO 2, while in fact they are 2 very different games. 1 was great, 2 is a hot mess
malding. it was the only logical choice. cs2 is a csgo upgrade. not a new game. unethical would have been launching cs2 as a new game, making them pay $15 for it, stopping all support for csgo, and making csgo skins not transfer. you got the best possible situation.

Bro, they replaced a good game with positive reviews going back 10 years, with unfinished garbage. If they wanted soo much of a clean slate. DELETE THE REVIEWS OF CSGO 1. It feels differently, they reworked too many core systems. It might look the same, but it doesn't feel the same. Which kinda brings the idea of theseus ship, but at least there they replaced parts to keep it the same, not change its structure...
KING Oct 1, 2023 @ 10:43pm 
Originally posted by Artos:
Originally posted by KING:
Probably because it was a transfer from the CSGO engine to the source engine 2, and it's not a full new release as some people assume. Yes it was a major change, but it's not newly released game but rather a graphical update, and that's the point they're making with the data being the same, people not having to pay for CS2, also CSGO not being there anymore since it's been replaced by it's update, cs2.

Wow also had a graphical update, so did dota2, so did league of legends, so did other games. Otherwise you would've kept csgo, the official servers would've shut down like they did in cs1.6 and css, and cs2 would've been a brand new release that you would've paid another $15 or $60 whatever they want to charge for it and now the community wouldn't be split in 3, but in 4, and people would give them hell for deleting all the skins, not keeping matchmaking going in csgo, etc. CS2 was coming, csgo was moving from it's old 2012 engine to the source 2 engine, and that's that. This was the best solution.

I personally would've liked a new counter strike 2 sold for $60 a copy with absolutely no chance of a discount(like csgo was selling itself for $3.75) instead so we can wipe over all the cheaters who boosted accounts for free when csgo when f2p and they let people boost to prime by reaching level 20 and everyone abused vertigo until they shut it down after like 2 years, a period in which millions of accounts were probably farmed and used to this day to cheat. Maybe by 2045 we'll wipe some of those out.

WOW is still wow, it didn't change how it feels and you can easily compare it by playing classic and retail. Obviously some skills are changed, but you don't feel a change in walking or accepting quests. Dota 2 is still dota and league is also still league, the feel of those games didn't change and they only updated graphics, not reworked features.

NOW, CSGO 2, while it looks similar, shooting is different, I kinda feel sometimes as Im shooting from third person but its really first, idk how to best describe that feel. Seeing legs is just obstable. I would add more, having now legs makes jumping and going on ladder much more difficult. For some reason they just block players. Like when I try jumping on Silo on nuke, I legit feel legs getting stuck between pipes making jumping more difficult... Sound system was completly reworked and grenades fly a bit differently as well. Same looks, different feel

I could bet you CSGO 1 would have higher population of players going on community servers or FACEIT, than CSGO 2 would ever have after they discontinued support for CSGO 1 simply because 2 is garbage. But still I rather them sell CSGO 2 again, than them replace 1 and get rid of it. There was legit nothing wrong with 1. They could have literally block market for CSGO 1, leave us with copy of all of the skins, and copy our inventory to CSGO 2. Simple as that...
You're not a wow player if you're gonna tell anyone on earth that wow feels the same as when it launched. Why do you think they ended up releasing wow classic? Because retail wow had changed too many times. By the start of cataclysm, wow had already undergone three of it's biggest changes, player phasing in areas, as in people would just vanish and appear at random between channels, they also introduced flying in azeroth, and lastly it was the beginning of the killing exploration, like finding secrets etc. Then came the talent changes over the years, they swapped them so many times you forgot what was what. Then came the azerite bs in BFA and it continue in shadowlands. The atmosphere was night and day what was wow vanilla, from movement, abilities, classes, from how you approached things, from how you played the game, with new addons that played the game for you basically, etc., hence why vanilla servers live to this day, as boring and simple as they are to some people. Wow has done this multiple times over the years. They ended up bringing classic back, which isn't even true to it's heart to vanilla, because they didn't want to give private servers more of a share than they already had.

Have you lookaed at dota old footage and new one, have you seen old league of legends footage and new one? Like I have no idea how you can say these games are the same and they feel the same, legit anyone who's played those games for a while would just laugh at this. Leagues has undergone one of the heaviest graphical updates out of all these games, the whole ui, map, champions, icons changed, the whole interface changed, the way champions fight changed, their durability and the length of the game changed, the runes, etc.

These changes you mention are just minor changes due to the engine. It's a new engine, so things would not feel the same. If you're concerned about losing skill, the everyone technically lost skill. It's all about regaining it. CS1.6 to CSS also was a very big difference in terms of how the game played, and if you happened to play the original release of CSGO vs what CSGO was recently, you'd say exactly the same about old CSGO. These are just changes, like all those other games, be it wow vanilla, classic, retail, old vs new league or dota, or cs1.6 to css to csgo2012 to csgo2023 to cs2. It's a new engine. Sure it's not fully optimized yet, nor was csgo when it released in 2012.

It's part of the process. It made no sense for them to work on a old engine, and they couldn't have delivered these things with the old engine, because that's not what it was meant to do. You have to pick sometimes, do I shut down the servers to csgo, kill the entire market economy and delete all their skins, and release cs2 as a standalone game they will have to buy again? What would you do? Should we never progress as gamers anymore, keep playing csgo till the end of eternity because that's the only thing we're familiar? New generations come in and look at it and say it looks outdated, and it did, it was from 2012.

You can still play csgo through the old beta demo viewer option and join community servers, not sure if you knew this. Faceit is there too I believe, and you can see your skins there as well. There's videos on it, and I don't think they're removing it as it's meant for watching old csgo demos.

Like what would've been your solution to this problem? Just keep in mind CS2 has to come out, one way or another, and if you decide to keep csgo, you would've had to shut down all of it's official servers. Also you have to protect the entire steam market in the process. I'm curious what you would've done. Also keep in mind you can't update your old ass csgo engine to do what the cs2 engine does, because that's not how it works.

PS: Keep in mind the only reason csgo hit like 1.5mil or 1.8mil whatever recently, it was right after the announcement of cs2, and when the first beta launched since some people could post things about it. Before that csgo was at around 800k-1mil. So people were interested in this.
Last edited by KING; Oct 1, 2023 @ 11:26pm
Anky Nov 3, 2023 @ 5:49pm 
All manner of sophistry is being used to justify this change of CSGO to CS2, but the crux of the matter remains.
There was a fully functional game that many players originally purchased with its own complete and e-sport capable game mechanics and design, and it was replaced with a dysfunctional and non e-sport ready game. Now that fully functional game is gone.

There are many things players enjoyed doing in CSGO that they are no longer able to do, and they cannot go back to CSGO like with how players who upgraded to CSGO from CSS could go back to CSS.

CS2 was marketed like a sequel not an update, so it should be released as a sequel, not an update.

When games are updated, great thought should be put into what is being updated and how, and when it is updated it should not disrupt the player experience. So comparing WoW or other games is entirely unfair, because they receive small updates often and big changes happens gradually with time to gauge player reaction and allow players to get used to the updates. What happened with CS2 is the entire game was gutted and replaced over night, new engine, new mechanics, missing features, missing maps, a metric tonne of bugs, etc.
Last edited by Anky; Nov 3, 2023 @ 5:54pm
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