People complaining about a lack of CS2 content need to remember one thing

[LTJ]

This is a marathon, not a race. It’s only been a few since since the gaming world got this huge Counter-Strike 2 update as Valve promised months ago and to give them credit, they’ve released three big patch updates since CS2 launched. Just because it’s missing War Games, Danger Zone, and other maps doesn’t mean that this is what CS2 will be like forever.

I would have loved a new Operation to go with the launch too but being realistic and looking at it from Valve’s perspective, they probably wanted to release this to the world now, work on fixing all the bugs, glitches, visuals, etc. based on feedback, and then start adding in new content over time.

There is no doubt in my mind that Valve is going to really blow the socks off of CS2 over time. I can see a bunch of new gun skins, agents, maps, modes, Operations, a revamped Danger Zone, and so much more. I see so many people complaining about missing modes but I can assure you that patience is key with all this. It’s going to be one hell of a journey from here on out because this is the best iteration of Counter-Strike I’ve ever played and I’ve been playing this franchise since 1999 when it was just a popular mod in Half-Life.

Be patient, friends. The best has yet to come.

[Renos]

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Postat inițial de VLAdim1RGO:

♥♥♥♥♥♥ copium argument
You're basically saying that it's okay for them to restart this pattern of releasing garbage and fixing it over multiple years
So brainless

Yeah man they want to start with a bad version on purpose and then gradully improve it over the years with updates while they have the finished perfect version already on stock, makes perfect sense now put it that way.

i'm not even copping
CS2 is in a far better state than csgo ever launched in
CSGO at the end was not a perfect game either.
gee i love having to deal with one way smokes, bad hitreg, the alt tab bug, audio settings breaking mid match forcing a relaunch, agents having different sized hitboxes, random framerate drops from 500 to 100 that could be only be fixed with a console command or restart.

[Renos]

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Exactly, the last thing you need is to split the Counter-Strike community once again as they did with 1.6 to CSS and then from CSS to CSGO and queue times taking longer since people want to cling on an 11-year-old video game that was way past its shelf life. It was time for a new Counter-Strike and they did the right thing for the bright future of CS2.

1. Thats up to players to decide which game is for them.
2. CSGO at the time introduced ranking mode and skins, so it was only the matter of time of them transferring over. It also boomed as Esport. CSGO had not a perfect start, but was better than this mess,
3. Except graphics CSGO 2 doesn't introduce anything new, quite opposite they reduced content available for players, introduced many bugs and game just feels slower (not talking about performance but real feel to it)
4. Back in a day, people paid for CSGO, they did achievements and left reviews... Game transfered to F2P, achievements got deleted and reviews hijacked. Its not an update, its a downgrade, I can tell you 3 thngs missing from CSGO 2, but you cannot tell me 1 that will be possible thanks to change in engine (looks don't count, its a bonus, not a feature)

Missing gamemodes,
Missing Player models,
Missing achievements

Your turn :)

CSGO's start was awlful
you thought cs2 had netcode issues go load up 2012 csgo
the only modes at the launch was arms race demolition casual competive
ranked MM didnt exist yet
deathmatch wingman dangerzone flying scouts retakes didnt exist yet
the map design was bad
so many bugs and oversights that got patched out over time (remember when all maps had fog, ladders were borked, so many clipping issues on maps)
balance issues
terrible playerboxes that didnt get fixed for years
the aug and krieg didnt even have a correctly animated scope
a lot of the guns were not there
weapon sounds were bad
i could go on but i think we get the point

[Artos]

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1. Thats up to players to decide which game is for them.
2. CSGO at the time introduced ranking mode and skins, so it was only the matter of time of them transferring over. It also boomed as Esport. CSGO had not a perfect start, but was better than this mess,
3. Except graphics CSGO 2 doesn't introduce anything new, quite opposite they reduced content available for players, introduced many bugs and game just feels slower (not talking about performance but real feel to it)
4. Back in a day, people paid for CSGO, they did achievements and left reviews... Game transfered to F2P, achievements got deleted and reviews hijacked. Its not an update, its a downgrade, I can tell you 3 thngs missing from CSGO 2, but you cannot tell me 1 that will be possible thanks to change in engine (looks don't count, its a bonus, not a feature)

Missing gamemodes,
Missing Player models,
Missing achievements

Your turn :)

CSGO's start was awlful
you thought cs2 had netcode issues go load up 2012 csgo
the only modes at the launch was arms race demolition casual competive
ranked MM didnt exist yet
deathmatch wingman dangerzone flying scouts retakes didnt exist yet
the map design was bad
so many bugs and oversights that got patched out over time (remember when all maps had fog, ladders were borked, so many clipping issues on maps)
balance issues
terrible playerboxes that didnt get fixed for years
the aug and krieg didnt even have a correctly animated scope
a lot of the guns were not there
weapon sounds were bad
i could go on but i think we get the point

Bro I didn't ask for what was terrible at CSGO 1 release date... Im asking what will new engine let them do in CSGO 2. Something we didn't have at CSGO 1's peak time. If they need time... well game should have stayed in beta and definitely not hijack steam reviews of a 10 year old game. Can't wait in a month time how much they will shift down.

I am aware a lot of thing were not there when CSGO 1 released XD. Danger Zone only came out what ? 5 years ago. The point is, its not update. Update keeps old things and adds/improve on old. We literally got downgraded, got less than CSGO 1 had at its release. (MAPS !!!) CSGO 2 is simply not finished and it was not ready to be released yet. It might be better in future. But them making fake 128 tick servers, shows they are overcomplicating everything. CSGO was simple and people loved it for its simplicity. Now, I rather go play Valo, at least that won't change and Esport is much healthier now.

[LTJ]

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In reality, these people can be mad about the situation. Gaben sneak dropped a game, without telling anyone the old one was going to be gone on a certain day, and is forcing every single person here to play a buggyer, less content filled game.

In my opinion there should have been around a 3 month transfer period where they get the massive data they get from the game fully live to fully get it to where it needs to be before GO went.

I don't care though since I only play comp so you wont find me complaining despite the fact this rancid ass stupid ass braindeadly coded Vac craps STILL ON THE FIRST DAY CS2 WAS OUT finds a way to prevent me or one of my buddies from playing every other week. Where did the good coders go? What has happened?

They can be mad at the situation but I find it very hard to believe anyone should be shocked or surprised. Valve CONFIRMED that CS2 would permanently delete CS:GO the day they officially announced CS2. That's not true that Gaben "sneak dropped CS2" since Valve said that via Twitter/X and even on the new CS2 landing page FAQ.

CS2 has had 5 patches with bug updates and fixes and no new game at launch has ever been perfect in the history of online gaming. These things happen and obviously, it's going to take time for them to flesh out CS2 and re-add the older maps after converting those aging CS:GO assets to the better and newer CS2 engine.

I'm hoping they also drop a huge update to VAC since yeah, you know it's only a matter of time before cheats infiltrate CS2 if not already. I have yet to find anyone blatantly cheating or hacking but I haven't done Premier or Competitive matches yet. I will in probably a week or two but yeah, I hope we get an update for VAC as well.

[Squiddly Yee]

yeah but they also switched out cs:go for cs:2 in my library without telling me, or asking so I can be upset, I may not even be able to play cs:2 because my pc already had a hard time with cs:go

[Artos]

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In reality, these people can be mad about the situation. Gaben sneak dropped a game, without telling anyone the old one was going to be gone on a certain day, and is forcing every single person here to play a buggyer, less content filled game.

In my opinion there should have been around a 3 month transfer period where they get the massive data they get from the game fully live to fully get it to where it needs to be before GO went.

I don't care though since I only play comp so you wont find me complaining despite the fact this rancid ass stupid ass braindeadly coded Vac craps STILL ON THE FIRST DAY CS2 WAS OUT finds a way to prevent me or one of my buddies from playing every other week. Where did the good coders go? What has happened?

They can be mad at the situation but I find it very hard to believe anyone should be shocked or surprised. Valve CONFIRMED that CS2 would permanently delete CS:GO the day they officially announced CS2. That's not true that Gaben "sneak dropped CS2" since Valve said that via Twitter/X and even on the new CS2 landing page FAQ.

CS2 has had 5 patches with bug updates and fixes and no new game at launch has ever been perfect in the history of online gaming. These things happen and obviously, it's going to take time for them to flesh out CS2 and re-add the older maps after converting those aging CS:GO assets to the better and newer CS2 engine.

I'm hoping they also drop a huge update to VAC since yeah, you know it's only a matter of time before cheats infiltrate CS2 if not already. I have yet to find anyone blatantly cheating or hacking but I haven't done Premier or Competitive matches yet. I will in probably a week or two but yeah, I hope we get an update for VAC as well.

LOOOL. Don't call it a new game if they gonna hijack steam reviews of CSGO1... They had all the time in the world to deliver finished CSGO2 that reflected CSGO1 to their best capabilities. NO RUSH THERE. Voting system is broken, fake 128 ticks, slow feel, less content is really not an excuse. Did WoW lose content when they did graphic update ? Did Dota 2 lose content ? Did League lose content ? NO. Because they did graphical lifting, not remake, which CSGO 2 is, its a remake.

[Sigma]

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CSGO's start was awlful

Valve didn't just kill cs source or cs 1.6 when they released cs:go, we could still play the better game while waiting for cs:go to improve, as it did.
That's not the case for cs2. We can't play cs:go anymore, we're being forced by a greedy corporation to abandon the better game, to suffer in this modern gaming open beta test mess.

Edit:
I don't have 11k hours in cs2. I have 11k hours in cs:go. I'm proud of that, and my steam profile should reflect that. I wouldn't spend that much time in the current version of cs2.
Valve hijacking our reviews and playtime, to promote a downgraded experience, is evil, misleading, and anti-consumer.

[Marked]

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In reality, these people can be mad about the situation. Gaben sneak dropped a game, without telling anyone the old one was going to be gone on a certain day, and is forcing every single person here to play a buggyer, less content filled game.

In my opinion there should have been around a 3 month transfer period where they get the massive data they get from the game fully live to fully get it to where it needs to be before GO went.

I don't care though since I only play comp so you wont find me complaining despite the fact this rancid ass stupid ass braindeadly coded Vac craps STILL ON THE FIRST DAY CS2 WAS OUT finds a way to prevent me or one of my buddies from playing every other week. Where did the good coders go? What has happened?

They can be mad at the situation but I find it very hard to believe anyone should be shocked or surprised. Valve CONFIRMED that CS2 would permanently delete CS:GO the day they officially announced CS2. That's not true that Gaben "sneak dropped CS2" since Valve said that via Twitter/X and even on the new CS2 landing page FAQ.

CS2 has had 5 patches with bug updates and fixes and no new game at launch has ever been perfect in the history of online gaming. These things happen and obviously, it's going to take time for them to flesh out CS2 and re-add the older maps after converting those aging CS:GO assets to the better and newer CS2 engine.

I'm hoping they also drop a huge update to VAC since yeah, you know it's only a matter of time before cheats infiltrate CS2 if not already. I have yet to find anyone blatantly cheating or hacking but I haven't done Premier or Competitive matches yet. I will in probably a week or two but yeah, I hope we get an update for VAC as well.

Buddy, nowhere did anyone say CS2 was going to be out on Wednesday. Gaben fkin said "whatchu doing on wednesday boyssssss" and released the game. I honestly thought they were just gonna reset the premier ladder, not drop the whole game. No one knew, even the ESL broadcast the day of barely had an idea of it and dropped their goodbye videos and said they hope the game was coming out that day.

[LTJ]

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AI happened. I had a conversation the other day with some coder prasing AI for making his job easier... but in the same time, somehow production speed is the same if not longer than 2-5 years ago. They became lazy is the short answer. Valve used to be 3D live rendering experts back in early 2000 to the point they were making specially made rendering engines for PIXAR, because back then animators had to wait hours to a day to see what they animated and valve came in and said here, hours for few seconds reduce to seconds.... funny to see volvo in its current state

Its not an AI problem though is seems. Please correct me if I am wrong as I am only 23 year old, but I have been using technology since I was around 4. I feel like everything was so much smoother back then, until we got to like the 2010s before AI. Maybe just the complexity of everything now just inevitably causes things to break until we can streamline these complexities with better engines? Like even software man, my wireless mouse software is horrible, my 2k TVs software is horrible, it just makes no sense. Is it just greed from corporations in the same way from lets say an oil company not "updating or repairing" foundational things and letting things rot until the very last moment?

Also thats a cool Valve Pixar fact, thanks for sharing.

At the end of the day, we're just consumers and corporations can do whatever they want as we all have choice. It's real simple, if you don't like something, you don't have to buy it, play it, spend time on it, etc. Everyone complaining about CS2 and that they can't play CS:GO anymore need to understand that. It's business and at the end of the day, Valve is a billion dollar corporation that is a business trying to earn profit. Yes, they obviously care about their players but they will always do what they feel is right to ensure their business is profitable and continues on.

Valve just celebrated 20 years and if they want to be around for the next 20 years and as successful as they have been, it's all about making smart business decisions with their platform and their products. CS:GO was aging and honestly, needed to be put out of its misery years ago for the next newer and better iteration of Counter-Strike. They needed it to look as modern as other top FPS competitive games while also maintaining that familiarity that yeah, it's Counter-Strike.

They have achieved this as September saw over 30 million players play CS:GO/CS2 which was an all-time record for this franchise. Some loved it, some hated it, but either way, these next few months and years will show as always that Valve was right to permanently remove CS:GO in favor of CS2.

If you love CS2, awesome. If you hate it and are complaining for CS:GO to come back, it's never coming back. Either play it or don't. Its your choice but the majority of gamers will easily keep playing or stop playing until Valve adds more enhancements and of course, content.

I guarantee you once they drop a huge new Operation with a ton of content, people will literally be running to play CS2 and this will all be forgotten. It stings now but time heals all and eventually, we'll all move on to the better game, create better memories, and enjoy one of the greatest FPS franchises ever.

[Artos]

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They have achieved this as September saw over 30 million players play CS:GO/CS2

Nothing amazing... It still counts old game + everyone was hyped to try it out. It will go down soon. Wait a month, let the stats update correctly...

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At the end of the day, we're just consumers and corporations can do whatever they want as we all have choice. It's real simple, if you don't like something, you don't have to buy it,

Dude really just said we have a choice after Valve forced us to play CS2, deleted our achievements and hijacked reviews from CSGO. That not choice, thats waterboarding at its finest. I didn't play over 1k h in CS2, I played it in CSGO.

[LTJ]

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Im not that old myself. But old stuff was made with the idea to last years if not decades. Look at furnitures, we used to make them out of real wood, now a lot of furnitures are... well... pressed wood dust with PVA glue XD. + maybe some cardboard filling. They are lighter but also easier to get damaged.

Same thing goes for technology, Components were bigger and easier to be replaced. Now everything is much more compact and much more difficult to repair. I would even propose a theory where technology is made on purpose in such a way to last shorter so people replace it faster. But thats just a theory, nothing to back it up.

Now when it comes to games. They were simpler, less things to get wrong. First Mario was what like 40 kilobytes XD and that includes all the sprites. However, devs became more lazy. They stopped optimizing their games and started to leave a lot of garbage unused codes in games. Back in early 2000 games handles rendering etc. However as graphics cards progressed, games started to more and more rely on them, so devs didn't have to optimize as much. It is a good thing and a bad thing. Time will tell. Tho, production years ago was more focused on quality, now we focus on quantity which simply doesn't let us oversee everything

I agree with so much of what you say. I have been saying for a while now that the gaming market is so over saturated and must suffer from it, its basically like bad GMing. You can have as much money as you want, but these people wont hire the actual good workers, or the good workers want something that scum like Riot or Blizzard obviously wont give them. Now we just have gods of coding working at places like Larian spending literally every cent they have to make a game on the hopes its good, while we bankroll lazy asses who code skins in CS. If I ever become rich af I am head hunting tons of top coders to make a game or some other product, because it just seems like free money if you aren't a moron.

Gaming just like everything else, will change every 10 years, that's a fact. Nowadays, gaming is all about free-to-play/battlepass model and yeah, releasing broken/unfinished games and then fixing/patching it after launch. I am not a fan of it but I accept that this is the reality of the situation. That's why I haven't played Baldur's Gate 3 or even Starfield as I wanted to wait about a month or so until big patches/updates happened and later on today I'll be giving BG3 a whirl.

It's my choice but if someone doesn't want to deal with this, they can easily stop being a gamer at any time. As a matter of fact, I have plenty of friends who quit online gaming for this reason and either stick to single-player gaming or now exclusively only play on the Nintendo Switch. To each their own but at the end of the day, it is what it is. It's not worth complaining about because Valve, just like any other major gaming developer/corporation, will do what is ultimately best for their business.

Video games are products. We are consumers. We have choices. It all depends on what people decide to do with their own money. You will easily find people who LOVE CS2 and others that hate it. If they want to support it, they can buy skins, play the game, buy new Operations, etc. If they don't want to support it, they can literally not install it and go play something else or find a new hobby.

Either way, I'm really happy with CS2 and support Valve. I have for over 20 years now and they've never done me wrong. I'm also realistic and don't expect every single thing they do to be perfect. These things take time, ESPECIALLY for a brand new video game that is Counter-Strike that is being built for the next decade or so. It'll be a fun journey and I've already made a bunch of new CS2 memories and even made a few new friends by playing I can't wait to try Premier/Competitive with

[LTJ]

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I am still wondering. What were the issues Valve had with CSGO ? Like honestly what exactly was the problem ? What exactly they tried to implement to the game that was so engine breaking ? Like you have to at some point draw a line. If thats what the limit. GO NEXT, don't delete previous game, create new one that is truly superior, but nah, they went with delete current successul game, prey on the love players have to CSGO and create handicapped replica of 10 year old game :D. Truly nothing that CSGO 1 could not handle.

there wasn't a problem, somewhere not too long ago a few people, esp. youtubers realized they had nothing to do, so the meta to have views was to spam "we need source2" or "omygawhd look at source2 leak" - the artificial hype and the stupid expectations turned into what you see, basically valve listened to "the people."

LoL those Youtubers/pretend streamers all baited so many people because they had nothing better else to do.

[LTJ]

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TERRIBLE TAKE THE GAME HAS BEEN OUT FOR 10 YEAR AND THEY JUST RESKINNED IT CLAIMING IT WAS A NEW GAME AND THEN PROCEED TO ♥♥♥♥ EVERTHING UP AND TAKE AWAY SO MANY THINGS THAT WERE IN cCSGO INCREDIBLE HOW MUCH THEY HAVE ♥♥♥♥♥♥ THIS GAME

A lot of things are a scam. Glad you are able to see it.

Yeah if people really believe CS2 is a scam, I hope they go play something else that brings joy to their soul.

[Artos]

Bruh if its new. Its shouldn't hijack reviews and player played hour data as you said... it should be its own entity...

You really cannot grasp a concept that this feels like a downgrade for many players that simply never gave a ♥♥♥♥ about graphics. Heck I go as far as to say, majority would be fine without new graphics. CS games never belonged to the prettiest games. It was always about the gun play and how skilled you were. All that players demanded since faceit became a thing was official 128 ticks. Nothing more, nothing else. Instead we get fake 128 ticks buggy game with less content than the original and hope that one day they will fix it.

Players really would not care about CS2 if it came out as standalone game. They would test it and many would go back to CSGO, Valve knew it, hence they said ♥♥♥♥ you, you cannot play it anymore and made sure Faceit cannot setup 128 tick servers, so people cannot create comparisons too early at the "release date"

Even pro players are mad about changes and people that actually say they like it are trolls or blind.

[LTJ]

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♥♥♥♥♥♥ copium argument
You're basically saying that it's okay for them to restart this pattern of releasing garbage and fixing it over multiple years
So brainless

Yeah man they want to start with a bad version on purpose and then gradully improve it over the years with updates while they have the finished perfect version already on stock, makes perfect sense now put it that way.

LoL people actually believe this which is interesting to me. I'd love for these people to tell me a single brand new multiplayer video game that was officially released and was perfect. It doesn't exist and it will NEVER exist. Every new multiplayer video game will need lots of patches, bug fixes, and content over time. Rome wasn't built in a day and all these people complaining now I guarantee will be back once Valve re-adds old CS:GO content that is ported over to CS2, new skins, agents, and an Operation.

I guarantee it.