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KutarFOX

27/set./2023 às 17:07

Petition: Bring back CSGO

Please don't get me wrong. I want to make it clear that I'm not suggesting at all that we abandon CS2 and return to playing CSGO. I fully accept and embrace the idea of change for better future.

But my request is simple: I'd like CSGO to continue to exist as a separate entity in my library and this probably means assigning a separate appID to CSGO to preserve our extensive statistics of many years and the hard-earned Steam achievements. The motivation behind this request is to protect our gaming history for the sake of integrity and preservation of history. IMHO, Valve's decision to abruptly remove their own game, erasing a significant portion of our shared gaming history, appears to be a disservice to their own legacy. Not to mention that this action also disrespects the fans and gamers who rely on Steam as their gaming platform.

It's worth noting that, right this moment CS2 lacks certain content previously available in CSGO. There's an urgent need to add these missing elements, including currently unavailable maps to CS2. While time may eventually resolve this issue, I'm willing to be patient as we await the migration of CSGO's content to CS2.

To reiterate, our community wholeheartedly embraces CS2 and welcomes changes that enhance our gaming experience. However, we earnestly request that CSGO be retained as a testament to our gaming history.

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CS2

For those who share our sentiments, we invite you to express your support by simply typing "F." This gesture marks your respect for our beloved CSGO and at the same time celebrates the rise of CS2 as our new leader. Your cooperation is highly appreciated.

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Escrito originalmente por dunny #AllowClassicOffensive:

Escrito originalmente por Renos:
Escrito originalmente por dunny:
Fully accessible? Oh I didn't notice that I could still access Valve official servers in the CS:GO legacy branch! Oh wait... I can't. I think you'd also find that "Counter-Strike: Global Offensive" in no longer in my Steam library when I search for it, instead a game called "Counter-Strike 2" is there. Please stop bootlicking and actually use your brain for once, acknowledge this clear disregard for game preservation by Valve and that they used CS:GO reviews to make the CS2 release look like was received better than it was.

There was no valid reason for not releasing CS2 on a separate Steam app ID and leaving CS:GO as it was, the closest reason, skins, is still not valid when you consider that Valve developed the Steam inventory system and could work out how to move all inventories to a new app ID but decided not to because it would cost them time and money, money that was given to them by the CS:GO community to first buy the game and then to buy skins, so they should be listening to our inputs as our money shaped this game. I'm a fan of Valve but we need to call them out when they start doing anti-consumer behaviour like this since the gaming communities call out EA, Blizzard and Ubisoft when they do it, especially Blizzard since they received massive backlash for replacing Overwatch with Overwatch 2 but Valve seem to be immune to backlash for some reason.

Also Renos, on page 46, when I corrected your reply to me where you suggested that I told Valve to 'duplicate' the skin database, when I said 'move', you never responded to that which leads me to think you don't respond after being proven wrong, guess we'll see if that is the case for this comment.
still applies
you would be copying over a large database to another server
which is prone to who knows how many errors.
better off to just assign cs2 the same appID
especially since cs2 also uses csgo's entire server backend on steam.
from the match coordinator and player stats to the community server master list.

and from a preservation standpoint
i can still download csgo
can still play everything that was added to the game and all community content.
only thing not there are valve's own official servers but that's been the case for every previous CS title. I would not even consider that content or even qualified for preservation. And that has been how the industry as a whole works. At least valve is nice enough to leave us with the server files to host our own stuff. and given how talented the CS community is who knows maybe in the future we just come up with our own MM service for GO.

I appreciate this response as it shows you're not a troll like previous responses made me think and actually know what you're talking about even if we may disagree here. Of course neither of us know how Steam's inventory servers are designed but looking at the Steamworks documentation we can see how inventory items are individually designed, every item definition has an "appid" property which links it to that specific app ID inventory and if changed will update existing items in user inventories as well so by design, it seems like Valve prepared allowing developers to change the "appid" value of an item in case a developer wanted to move all of their items to a new app ID and by their own admission, seems like it would work seamlessly so why Valve decided not to use it for the release of CS2 on a new app ID is baffling to me.

I agree that it's great that CS:GO is even still accessible at all and leaving the dedicated server files available is better than other developers do but you have to remember that 1.6/CZ/Source never had any official Valve servers to be removed so this is still setting a bad precedent for other Valve games like TF2 when new TF games release in the future. Also how will the planned CS2 map workshop work now? Seems like it will be a visual mess if it will feature both CS:GO and CS2 maps which wouldn't have been an issue with a separate workshop on a new app ID, maybe Valve are planning to wipe the CS:GO workshop to start again for CS2, which will be a big blow to CS:GO community content and would again make CS:GO players angry. This is why I still believe moving to a new app ID would have been the best solution to keep everyone happy and in the long run make less work for Valve. You're definitely right about how talented the CS community is, I wouldn't be surprised if a modded MM service for CS:GO was made, that would be great to see!

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清汤大佬耶

1/out./2023 às 16:30

need CSGO back.

#451

Renos

1/out./2023 às 16:31

Escrito originalmente por dunny:
F - I think game preservation is extremely important, more so in this modern age of developers deleting their old games whenever they feel like. If 1.6/CZ/Source have their own app ID, why can't CS:GO keep this one? I've shared this sentiment across multiple platforms and the only reasonable counter has been skins, but I believe Valve have the means to transfer everyone's skins and inventories to a new app ID with maybe a day of skin market/trading downtime to do it, remember Valve are smart and developed the inventory system in the first place. This is CS:GO's app ID and CS2 stealing it along with CS:GO's reviews, users' GO playtime, achievements and trading cards is the worst thing Valve have done in a long time and I have lost a lot of trust and respect for them unfortunately.

they share the same appID to keep inventory intact between the too
otherwise valve would have to duplicate inventories leading to mass chaos,
It also makes so the backend servers do not have to be changed much between the two,
CS2 reuses a lot of this from GO such as the game coordinator server match recording service. VACnet player statistics.

#452

bluE

1/out./2023 às 17:01

Yes please bring back CSGO 1. It should of been an option from the start. People are forced to play this new game that it does not run on all computers nicely. Also, some of us have spend so many hours playing the old CSGO 1 and loving it. Now we have to adjust because its more convenient for others...? not cool. I personally do not want to spend thousands on a computer to be able to support this new game that is lacking many things. I do not like the new game and I want the old one back. I 100% support the person who made this post.

#453

Hamless Hog possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:02

Escrito originalmente por mblue:
Yes please bring back CSGO 1. It should of been an option from the start. People are forced to play this new game that it does not run on all computers nicely. Also, some of us have spend so many hours playing the old CSGO 1 and loving it. Now we have to adjust because its more convenient for others...? not cool. I personally do not want to spend thousands on a computer to be able to support this new game that is lacking many things. I do not like the new game and I want the old one back. I 100% support the person who made this post.

Its the same game just updated. CS has been updating since its release, this should be no surprise.

#454

Professor Goat possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:08

they forced cs2 because when csgo first came out, it took two and a half years for the majority of players to leave the far superior cs source...

it was nothing but a pathetic move to force a high player count in cs2..

#455

dunny #AllowClassicOffensive possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:19

Escrito originalmente por Renos:
Escrito originalmente por dunny:
F - I think game preservation is extremely important, more so in this modern age of developers deleting their old games whenever they feel like. If 1.6/CZ/Source have their own app ID, why can't CS:GO keep this one? I've shared this sentiment across multiple platforms and the only reasonable counter has been skins, but I believe Valve have the means to transfer everyone's skins and inventories to a new app ID with maybe a day of skin market/trading downtime to do it, remember Valve are smart and developed the inventory system in the first place. This is CS:GO's app ID and CS2 stealing it along with CS:GO's reviews, users' GO playtime, achievements and trading cards is the worst thing Valve have done in a long time and I have lost a lot of trust and respect for them unfortunately.
they share the same appID to keep inventory intact between the too
otherwise valve would have to duplicate inventories leading to mass chaos,
It also makes so the backend servers do not have to be changed much between the two,
CS2 reuses a lot of this from GO such as the game coordinator server match recording service. VACnet player statistics.

I don't believe duplicating inventories would be a good solution and I wouldn't even suggest that, I still think pausing the skin market/trading for a short time to allow a move to a new app ID would be a better solution that Valve would get a lot of respect for. I'm not an expert on the other things you mentioned so I'll just agree that it's definitely very complicated but they had the whole development time of CS2 to think about this and they chose the lazy solution of taking over the CS:GO app ID instead.

#456

76561199468919104 possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:25

Escrito originalmente por w1zzard:
Stop crying . It's gone. Accept what you have lol

he is not crying you clown, the only missing thing here is something that should have been in your head, spoiler it starts with B...
try find it

#457

bluE

1/out./2023 às 17:28

Escrito originalmente por Hogarth:
Escrito originalmente por mblue:
Yes please bring back CSGO 1. It should of been an option from the start. People are forced to play this new game that it does not run on all computers nicely. Also, some of us have spend so many hours playing the old CSGO 1 and loving it. Now we have to adjust because its more convenient for others...? not cool. I personally do not want to spend thousands on a computer to be able to support this new game that is lacking many things. I do not like the new game and I want the old one back. I 100% support the person who made this post.
Its the same game just updated. CS has been updating since its release, this should be no surprise.

First of all this game is very much different then the old one. The bullets scripts, the nades, the movement, the sound it is not the same and its very crappy. If other people wanna play it they are welcome to, but bring back the old one for us. Just like 1.6 and the other old versions are still there that's how we want CSGO 1 to be. I mean yeah people spend hours building this new game, but let others who likes it have it. Why should we all like it and wanna play it? The update to this "newer version" sucks to some of us so bring back the old none updated one and be the end of this discussion.

#458

Hamless Hog possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:31

Escrito originalmente por mblue:
Escrito originalmente por Hogarth:
Its the same game just updated. CS has been updating since its release, this should be no surprise.

First of all this game is very much different then the old one. The bullets scripts, the nades, the movement, the sound it is not the same and its very crappy. If other people wanna play it they are welcome to, but bring back the old one for us. Just like 1.6 and the other old versions are still there that's how we want CSGO 1 to be. I mean yeah people spend hours building this new game, but let others who likes it have it. Why should we all like it and wanna play it? The update to this "newer version" sucks to some of us so bring back the old none updated one and be the end of this discussion.

They already have options to play old cs games they dont update anymore, try 1.6

#459

dunny #AllowClassicOffensive possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:34

Escrito originalmente por Hogarth:
Escrito originalmente por mblue:

First of all this game is very much different then the old one. The bullets scripts, the nades, the movement, the sound it is not the same and its very crappy. If other people wanna play it they are welcome to, but bring back the old one for us. Just like 1.6 and the other old versions are still there that's how we want CSGO 1 to be. I mean yeah people spend hours building this new game, but let others who likes it have it. Why should we all like it and wanna play it? The update to this "newer version" sucks to some of us so bring back the old none updated one and be the end of this discussion.
They already have options to play old cs games they dont update anymore, try 1.6

Is that a troll response? If CS 1.6, CZ, Source still exist, CS:GO should too. It's really that simple.

#460

❤LaLa❤

1/out./2023 às 17:35

cs2 is trash bring back csgo tbh i wanna play without ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lagging when im walking into someone and i wanna be able to sholder peek without dieing behinde a box .. cs2 is not ready ...

#461

Hamless Hog possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:35

Escrito originalmente por dunny:
Escrito originalmente por Hogarth:
They already have options to play old cs games they dont update anymore, try 1.6
Is that a troll response? If CS 1.6, CZ, Source still exist, CS:GO should too. It's really that simple.

It does still exist, thats the point(Youre posting in its forums right now). Its just been updates. Like it has many times over throughout the years.

Última edição por Hamless Hog; 1/out./2023 às 17:36

#462

CoV1D-19

1/out./2023 às 17:36

Escrito originalmente por LaLa:
cs2 is trash bring back csgo tbh i wanna play without ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ lagging when im walking into someone and i wanna be able to sholder peek without dieing behinde a box .. cs2 is not ready ...

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#463

dunny #AllowClassicOffensive possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:37

Escrito originalmente por Hogarth:
Escrito originalmente por dunny:
Is that a troll response? If CS 1.6, CZ, Source still exist, CS:GO should too. It's really that simple.
It does still exist, thats the point. Its jus been updates. Like it has many times over throughout the years.

A new engine is not an "update", it's a new game. Clearly Valve think so too since it's called Counter-Strike 2, not just Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.

#464

Hamless Hog possui Counter-Strike 2

1/out./2023 às 17:41

Escrito originalmente por dunny:
Escrito originalmente por Hogarth:
It does still exist, thats the point. Its jus been updates. Like it has many times over throughout the years.
A new engine is not an "update", it's a new game. Clearly Valve think so too since it's called Counter-Strike 2, not just Counter-Strike: Global Offensive.

So where is csgo? Did you see the app# youre posting in?

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