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KutarFOX Sep 27, 2023 @ 5:07pm
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Petition: Bring back CSGO
Please don't get me wrong. I want to make it clear that I'm not suggesting at all that we abandon CS2 and return to playing CSGO. I fully accept and embrace the idea of change for better future.

But my request is simple: I'd like CSGO to continue to exist as a separate entity in my library and this probably means assigning a separate appID to CSGO to preserve our extensive statistics of many years and the hard-earned Steam achievements. The motivation behind this request is to protect our gaming history for the sake of integrity and preservation of history. IMHO, Valve's decision to abruptly remove their own game, erasing a significant portion of our shared gaming history, appears to be a disservice to their own legacy. Not to mention that this action also disrespects the fans and gamers who rely on Steam as their gaming platform.

It's worth noting that, right this moment CS2 lacks certain content previously available in CSGO. There's an urgent need to add these missing elements, including currently unavailable maps to CS2. While time may eventually resolve this issue, I'm willing to be patient as we await the migration of CSGO's content to CS2.

To reiterate, our community wholeheartedly embraces CS2 and welcomes changes that enhance our gaming experience. However, we earnestly request that CSGO be retained as a testament to our gaming history.

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CS2

For those who share our sentiments, we invite you to express your support by simply typing "F." This gesture marks your respect for our beloved CSGO and at the same time celebrates the rise of CS2 as our new leader. Your cooperation is highly appreciated.

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Originally posted by dunny:
Originally posted by Renos:
Originally posted by dunny:
Fully accessible? Oh I didn't notice that I could still access Valve official servers in the CS:GO legacy branch! Oh wait... I can't. I think you'd also find that "Counter-Strike: Global Offensive" in no longer in my Steam library when I search for it, instead a game called "Counter-Strike 2" is there. Please stop bootlicking and actually use your brain for once, acknowledge this clear disregard for game preservation by Valve and that they used CS:GO reviews to make the CS2 release look like was received better than it was.

There was no valid reason for not releasing CS2 on a separate Steam app ID and leaving CS:GO as it was, the closest reason, skins, is still not valid when you consider that Valve developed the Steam inventory system and could work out how to move all inventories to a new app ID but decided not to because it would cost them time and money, money that was given to them by the CS:GO community to first buy the game and then to buy skins, so they should be listening to our inputs as our money shaped this game. I'm a fan of Valve but we need to call them out when they start doing anti-consumer behaviour like this since the gaming communities call out EA, Blizzard and Ubisoft when they do it, especially Blizzard since they received massive backlash for replacing Overwatch with Overwatch 2 but Valve seem to be immune to backlash for some reason.


Also Renos, on page 46, when I corrected your reply to me where you suggested that I told Valve to 'duplicate' the skin database, when I said 'move', you never responded to that which leads me to think you don't respond after being proven wrong, guess we'll see if that is the case for this comment.
still applies
you would be copying over a large database to another server
which is prone to who knows how many errors.
better off to just assign cs2 the same appID
especially since cs2 also uses csgo's entire server backend on steam.
from the match coordinator and player stats to the community server master list.

and from a preservation standpoint
i can still download csgo
can still play everything that was added to the game and all community content.
only thing not there are valve's own official servers but that's been the case for every previous CS title. I would not even consider that content or even qualified for preservation. And that has been how the industry as a whole works. At least valve is nice enough to leave us with the server files to host our own stuff. and given how talented the CS community is who knows maybe in the future we just come up with our own MM service for GO.
I appreciate this response as it shows you're not a troll like previous responses made me think and actually know what you're talking about even if we may disagree here. Of course neither of us know how Steam's inventory servers are designed but looking at the Steamworks documentation we can see how inventory items are individually designed, every item definition has an "appid" property which links it to that specific app ID inventory and if changed will update existing items in user inventories as well so by design, it seems like Valve prepared allowing developers to change the "appid" value of an item in case a developer wanted to move all of their items to a new app ID and by their own admission, seems like it would work seamlessly so why Valve decided not to use it for the release of CS2 on a new app ID is baffling to me.

I agree that it's great that CS:GO is even still accessible at all and leaving the dedicated server files available is better than other developers do but you have to remember that 1.6/CZ/Source never had any official Valve servers to be removed so this is still setting a bad precedent for other Valve games like TF2 when new TF games release in the future. Also how will the planned CS2 map workshop work now? Seems like it will be a visual mess if it will feature both CS:GO and CS2 maps which wouldn't have been an issue with a separate workshop on a new app ID, maybe Valve are planning to wipe the CS:GO workshop to start again for CS2, which will be a big blow to CS:GO community content and would again make CS:GO players angry. This is why I still believe moving to a new app ID would have been the best solution to keep everyone happy and in the long run make less work for Valve. You're definitely right about how talented the CS community is, I wouldn't be surprised if a modded MM service for CS:GO was made, that would be great to see!
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iBUYPOWER Sep 27, 2023 @ 5:09pm 
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Stop crying . It's gone. Accept what you have lol
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KutarFOX Sep 27, 2023 @ 5:18pm 
Cmon guys! This makes me sad. Q_Q

EDIT: Not sure why bunch of comments are gone on this page. Either folks removed themselves or got reported. I think its most likely the latter, so be mindful of what you post here... there are a lot of predators out there seeking validations simply by getting people banned...
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helloasis Sep 27, 2023 @ 6:34pm 
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F ... CSGO should be allowed to exist next to CS2. If they believe the new game is superior they can prove it with competitive user adoption in an open market.
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KutarFOX Sep 27, 2023 @ 9:37pm 
Originally posted by helloasis:
F ... CSGO should be allowed to exist next to CS2. If they believe the new game is superior they can prove it with competitive user adoption in an open market.
Ikr? what would be next... it wouldn't be an overstatement that valve could literally take away anything from us anytime... steam awards, inventory items, games licenses, and whatnot. However there was assurance that valve wouldn't do this with common sense and integrity... but unfortunately real fear has been partially realised with their action against csgo...
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iBUYPOWER Sep 27, 2023 @ 10:28pm 
Originally posted by KutarFOX:
Originally posted by helloasis:
F ... CSGO should be allowed to exist next to CS2. If they believe the new game is superior they can prove it with competitive user adoption in an open market.
Ikr? what would be next... it wouldn't be an overstatement that valve could literally take away anything from us anytime... steam awards, inventory items, games licenses, and whatnot. However there was assurance that valve wouldn't do this with common sense and integrity... but unfortunately real fear has been partially realised with their action against csgo...
R u bot?
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LeMonKy Sep 27, 2023 @ 10:33pm 
csgo is in the betas for cs2 as csgo demo viewer, no matchmaker tho but only custom servers
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Салазар Слизерин Sep 27, 2023 @ 10:35pm 
omg/ today bring back csgo,tomorrow bring back soviet union after tomorrow bring back Mao
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LTJ Sep 27, 2023 @ 10:36pm 
How can you bring back a game that's been permanently deleted? CS:GO is gone. Forever. There is no way it can come back ever again since CS2 literally replaced it just as Valve has said and confirmed for months now.
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Anky Sep 27, 2023 @ 10:38pm 
F,

this has been a lesson in bad faith business practices, just like with overwatch 1 and 2

you should make a petition link that people can sign and append it to your original post
Last edited by Anky; Sep 27, 2023 @ 10:38pm
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iBUYPOWER Sep 27, 2023 @ 11:17pm 
Stop crying . Boring
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Akazie_Christi Sep 27, 2023 @ 11:22pm 
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Originally posted by w1zzard:
Stop crying . Boring
Such comments speak more than 1000 words about the quality of the entire enterprise.

Bullying tactics.
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Anky Sep 27, 2023 @ 11:26pm 
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Originally posted by w1zzard:
Stop crying . Boring
imagine if you paid money for a kind of meal plan that you needed for your diet, then the people who sell you the food said, 'actually we dont think you need that kind of food, we are going to make you eat this kind of food' and they replace your meal plan with something that isnt good for your diet, you start to have severe physical discomfort and so you speak up about it, but neighbor joe says, 'stop complaining, boring!', that wouldnt feel very good would it?

what i described is called totalitarianism, totalitarianism is evil, it is the pretense and arrogance of a few individuals who think they know best and decide to force their view of things on other people who are largely helpless to resist.

in the free market, when we want to make a version 2 of a product, otherwise known as a sequel, we make version 2 and leave version 1 around so that the consumers can decide for themselves which one they prefer, and if version 2 is any good, and even better than version 1, which hopefully it would, then we slowly phase out support for version 1, but we let it continue to exist in its own way so that even if there are a few people who prefer version 1, they can still get it. an update should be a certain upgrade or optimization, including patches and bugfixes, a sequel is an entirely different product that showcases new features that may not have been present in the previous game, what we got with cs2 is a sequel, not an update, but they handled it like an update and forced us to 'upgrade', this is tyrannical and indicative of a totalitarian attitude.
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beatmaker Sep 27, 2023 @ 11:30pm 
trash cs2
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رضا شاه روحت شاد Sep 27, 2023 @ 11:31pm 
Originally posted by pchuu:
Nope cs2 is not cs, its copypasted valorant valorant, get this trash out of My library volvo and im waiting for a refund
agreed
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T!MM3h! Sep 27, 2023 @ 11:32pm 
Why would they cannibalise their own user base? They clearly don't want to 'lose' potential players for CS2, so porting all into the new game keeps their user stats... initially, unless people drop off.

I vote for both as stand alone games for now.
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