Why CS2 Rating is a joke

[Scrahdabley]

The only way you can preview your game history is in personal game data under Premier Matches. Premier CS Ratings once again does not care about how good you play.... it is strictly based on win loss. Valve has learned nothing over the years...

I lost a lot of games due to bad mm (I'm not great I'm not trying be like I'm so good but its very obvious this type of rating just doesn't work) We need a rating based on OUR PLAYING STYLE not the teams that are a gamble... please valve...

I get it's a beta but it doesn't seem like they care about the solo players.

[Scrahdabley]

Originally posted by for1t:

cause' its a beta
:ws_daman:

So you are saying they are going to completely change the way it works after the beta defeating the point of testing how it should work in a beta? lol not a bright one r ya

[Cartermatic]

no, it 100% should be based on win/loss. it should be SLIGHTLY influenced on ho;w well you perform in the match, but it ultimately needs to be based on win/loss. otherwise, players will just camp out for kills and not play with their team if all it is based on is you getting kills. Id just sit in a corner, wait for my whole team to die and try to get a cheeky triple kill every round or something like that.

[Scrahdabley]

Originally posted by ✪ Cartermatic:

no, it 100% should be based on win/loss. it should be SLIGHTLY influenced on ho;w well you perform in the match, but it ultimately needs to be based on win/loss. otherwise, players will just camp out for kills and not play with their team if all it is based on is you getting kills. Id just sit in a corner, wait for my whole team to die and try to get a cheeky triple kill every round or something like that.

I get your point and I'm not asking to get ranked up from losing. They have all the data in the world to calculate utility use, accuracy, adr. but they do non of that. It is strictly pre-calculated before the game starts. so if you have a really good game it does nothing you get the same elo. So i can basically just pay a hacker to carry me with no penalty to myself...

[🩸]

I went from supreme to silver but also i dont like how the game feels mechanically its sluggish but also accelerated i dont know what to say other than i guess its back to the bottom

[Neurodrive]

the best system i have seen where in HoN Moba game, you could lose a game and style have positive ELO if you score was really good, this was the more balanced and skilled ELO system i had, where it was a true mixed view of the way you play the game.
The big problem is you need smart people to design that kind of things so.

[Scrahdabley]

Originally posted by 🩸:

I went from supreme to silver but also i dont like how the game feels mechanically its sluggish but also accelerated i dont know what to say other than i guess its back to the bottom

I agree and the sprays feel gross and more luck based. It almost makes me just want to take a break till its full release and see if they can make it better. So far it just doesnt seem fun.

[Kiki76]

I top fragged in all but one of my placement games. probably went 10 wins and 7 losses or something. all I top fragged, i mean a staggering 25+ kills each game. I am faceit level 7 which is the equivalent of DMG-LE i think in MM. my last rank in mm was mg2 (i didn't play mm at all), the teammates i have been matched with are silver to nova at best. CS2 aiming is easier which i think has inflated my kills a ton, however, i am calling strats from my elo and my teammates have no clue. they don't even know A smokes on mirage. i was placed 3500, whereas my friend who peaked mg1 and middle fragged in his games 15 kills max. got placed 4500. i can climb out of here no problem but, i have to carry super hard to win games. the last 2 games i played yesterday, i went 38-10 and 37-10. 3450 damage and 3441 in the second game. i have friends who I'm equal to if not better getting placed 6-10 rating. now the predetermined elo gain/loss is very stupid and makes no sense why my teammates who get 5 frags when i carry them gain practically the same elo. i understand the grind to get a higher level to rank up, however, i think the initial matchmaking rank given is kind of BS as it is really deterring me from even playing MM simply because i have been playing a relatively high level for such a long time. if i was given 5k i would have been okay with that but 3500? it truly makes no sense. sorry for the long paragraph but it is very disappointing and seems broken as it does not take into account performances like in the original MM. maybe they will switch it and take my beta season stats into account for season 1 which will be good for me.

[Hamless Hog]

Originally posted by Scrahdabley:

The only way you can preview your game history is in personal game data under Premier Matches. Premier CS Ratings once again does not care about how good you play.... it is strictly based on win loss. Valve has learned nothing over the years...

I lost a lot of games due to bad mm (I'm not great I'm not trying be like I'm so good but its very obvious this type of rating just doesn't work) We need a rating based on OUR PLAYING STYLE not the teams that are a gamble... please valve...

I get it's a beta but it doesn't seem like they care about the solo players.

You can also grab the demo of your premier match by going into csgo, recent matches, then re open cs2 and post the demo in a web browser.

The ranking works very similar to csgo, i dont see the need to change it now. Also making it more based on personal performance may cause people to not play for the win, but instead play for kills.

[The_Freeman]

Pro Tip: Elo in squad-based games is worthless as it was never meant to be used that way, especially with random matchmaking environments

[not randy]

relax its a beta lol.

[Sigma]

I mean, it's still the same way as it was in cs:go. The system still rewards teamwork and playing in a 5stack, over anything else. Which, in a teamwork oriented game like counter strike kinda makes sense. Not to mention the currently awful quality of the ingame voice chat, it's somehow worse than in cs:go.

Stop solo queuing, and start playing for rounds rather than kills.
And if you're not doing that, then stop complaining that the system works.

[MaHoneyDE]

Originally posted by Scrahdabley:

Originally posted by ✪ Cartermatic:

no, it 100% should be based on win/loss. it should be SLIGHTLY influenced on ho;w well you perform in the match, but it ultimately needs to be based on win/loss. otherwise, players will just camp out for kills and not play with their team if all it is based on is you getting kills. Id just sit in a corner, wait for my whole team to die and try to get a cheeky triple kill every round or something like that.

I get your point and I'm not asking to get ranked up from losing. They have all the data in the world to calculate utility use, accuracy, adr. but they do non of that. It is strictly pre-calculated before the game starts. so if you have a really good game it does nothing you get the same elo. So i can basically just pay a hacker to carry me with no penalty to myself...

yeah it "sucks" when you have a good game but it also works in the differen directions
you have a bad game but your team carries you and you still get the full points for it

your complain are only valid for a small game count, the moment you have more games YOUR performance has the biggest impact on winning/losing, which in return dictates you climbing or falling in ranks

[Scrahdabley]

I keep forgetting Valve knows best and I take it all back. I will now kneel to the all mighty Gaben and plea for forgiveness.

[Nutsnut]

But maybe we'll stop seeing the threads "I'vE wOn 5 GaMes Derp, nO RanK UP Derp"

[Fayy]

Originally posted by not randy:

relax its a beta lol.

tbh you can say 'its a beta' but people who have played CS for 12 years and fought for a rank, only to be put into low elo because of a scuffed ranking system? Youre forgetting that everything including progress from the beta, will be carried over to the live game