Team damage when in a FULL 5 man queue should be disabled.

[Emperor's Champion]

Let me first say I think friendly fire is perfectly acceptable if you are in anything other than a 5 man in CSGO matchmaking. I think team damage is a staple of this game (1G's in the chat). However being plucked out of the game and and massively handicapping a Full team isn't fair.

But With CS2 coming and valve sharing the competitive shooter space and finally having to innovate after being carried by 3rd party match making services I think this is something they should add to their list to look at. If they want to make their MM more competitive.

ONLY IF YOU ENTERED THE QUE WITH ALL 5 SPOTS FILLED.

Real world example get the tissues ready.. because it just happened to me (rage-post.exe)... T side pistol round inferno - I buy a HE and throw the worst HE meant for top of mid I have ever thrown in my life. I hit the corner wall (right next to mexico) cus I strafed like a scrub at last second. It bounced right back into my entire team (i was first one out). I do a BOAT load of damage to my friends then get shot in the head (right call buying the HE terrible execution) My squad clutch up and won the round. Thank god.

We proceed to win the next 10 of 12 rounds round straight its its like 11 to 2. We're playing well I take my spot on t stairs with my AK my team runs up mid and right as boiler peeks my friend jumps in the line of sight and I head shot him aiming for the boiler peek and I get a 30 minute temp ban for damage.

I accept it was my stupid fault and that HE was the large reason why I had so much team damage stacked on me but because I was kicked they ended up losing 16-14. CT sided inferno 4 v 5. Kind of a hard ask. But CSGO is a momentum game and it definitely energized their side and deflated ours.

IDEA'S

Maybe you can implement one of these games idea's into csgo

-Valorant doesn't have team damage I dont think. Awful for csgo
-Rainbow 6 has reverse friendly fire. ehhh
-Penalize team killer VIA (end of game drops). (Prob fix TK'ing insantly).
-Reward the killed teammate with the team killers round reward essentially doubling their $.
-Maybe make it so every round you do 0 team damage it reduces your total team damage value by X. So bad play is penalized and good play rewards you.
-Have a forgive option. If you hit it in time it doesn't count towards your teammate.

[Emperor's Champion]

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I have literally no idea how you came to that conclusion but that is not my intention at all. Maybe you didnt read the mini book i just wrote? IDK

Probably because you don't care about how this would help derankers ruin the game for other players. Hence the fact I come to that conclusion.

No one in their right mind should be tolerant towards people who want to get into ranks that they're not suppose to be in so they can trash on other players to feel good about themselves or waste god knows how many games sitting in spawn killing each other while the other team basically waits.

Okay I agree with blah blah blah the white knighting wasting peoples time going into lower ranks to dunk. But the system currently doesnt prevent that from happening anyway? Soo instead of dunking on my idea's maybe add something constructive for a better idea? So we can improve the game?

[Nelly]

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The people that get unfair matches after they finished deranking. There is a ranking system for a reason. The fact that you dont care about it speaks volume

Speaks volumes that I dont solo que. That I 5 que and only try and win? IDK how people can solo que if deranking is still a massive issue. I did not think it was still a huge issue. It was just a post to think about innovating in a space that has alot of competition and different ways of handling TKing.

Dont you realise that you want a change that only benefits you? A change you will never see the disadvantage because you only play full stack?

[Nelly]

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Probably because you don't care about how this would help derankers ruin the game for other players. Hence the fact I come to that conclusion.

No one in their right mind should be tolerant towards people who want to get into ranks that they're not suppose to be in so they can trash on other players to feel good about themselves or waste god knows how many games sitting in spawn killing each other while the other team basically waits.

Okay I agree with blah blah blah the white knighting wasting peoples time going into lower ranks to dunk. But the system currently doesnt prevent that from happening anyway? Soo instead of dunking on my idea's maybe add something constructive for a better idea? So we can improve the game?

People could kill themself within seconds of the round without ever getting a cooldown. That is helping them big time.

[Emperor's Champion]

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Speaks volumes that I dont solo que. That I 5 que and only try and win? IDK how people can solo que if deranking is still a massive issue. I did not think it was still a huge issue. It was just a post to think about innovating in a space that has alot of competition and different ways of handling TKing.

Dont you realise that you want a change that only benefits you? A change you will never see the disadvantage because you only play full stack?

I probally am looking through a scuffed lens. Would it be a better idea to make a separate que in CS2 for 5 man stacks only?

[Nelly]

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Dont you realise that you want a change that only benefits you? A change you will never see the disadvantage because you only play full stack?

I probally am looking through a scuffed lens. Would it be a better idea to make a separate que in CS2 for 5 man stacks only?

I wouldnt mind if thats the case yes

[Valerie]

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Speaks volumes that I dont solo que. That I 5 que and only try and win? IDK how people can solo que if deranking is still a massive issue. I did not think it was still a huge issue. It was just a post to think about innovating in a space that has alot of competition and different ways of handling TKing.

Dont you realise that you want a change that only benefits you? A change you will never see the disadvantage because you only play full stack?

Even when I did play competitively often, I would often 5 stack. I still don't agree with this idea because of the fact this would reward griefing/deranking.

OP said the way things now there isn't anything preventing people form doing that when it's just wrong 'cuz plenty of people are caught and punished for deranking all the time. Just the other week a guy complained about being grief cooldown banned. Then he admits he was deranking on purpose.

[Valerie]

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I probally am looking through a scuffed lens. Would it be a better idea to make a separate que in CS2 for 5 man stacks only?

I wouldnt mind if thats the case yes

I know Valorant does this, but I'm not sure how well CS would do it. I can imagine que times would be super long. Often times it just results with extremely nonsensical match ups on Valorant too. Just all sorts of ranks that don't mix well. With one side getting stomped.

[Emperor's Champion]

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I wouldnt mind if thats the case yes

I know Valorant does this, but I'm not sure how well CS would do it. I can imagine que times would be super long.

I did not know valorant did this. Thank you for the insight on a part of MM I forgot about. I can see how this could cause negative's. Back to the drawing board I guess.

[Valerie]

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I know Valorant does this, but I'm not sure how well CS would do it. I can imagine que times would be super long.

I did not know valorant did this. Thank you for the insight on a part of MM I forgot about. I can see how this could cause negative's. Back to the drawing board I guess.

After a certain rank (I think diamond 3) if you 3-5 que with people, it will look for another group doing the same thing. You also get less RR for winning matches as well.

It might also still find players who are also stacking the same amount at lowers ranks still, but for sure after diamond 3 it's really not worth 5 stacking 'cuz of the long long que times + decrease RR gain.

[Nalle]

>be ct
>have no team dmg
>throw molotov
>push molotov
<???????
>profit

[Emperor's Champion]

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>be ct
>have no team dmg
>throw molotov
>push molotov
<???????
>profit

No. I was not saying your character takes no damage. I was saying if you and 4 of your friends que up and you accidentally do to much damage to your teammates, instead of getting temp banned for damage you have something different happen.

Being removed from the match was a little to extreme in a full 5 que to me but as other have pointed out it may not be the best idea.

Maybe allowing teammates to forgive a higher team damage/team kills before it starts counting towards the temp ban would be more appropriate.

[Nelly]

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Maybe allowing teammates to forgive a higher team damage/team kills before it starts counting towards the temp ban would be more appropriate.

Iam pretty sure valve said they dont want this because player should blame the system for a cooldown and not other player because they didnt forgive you

[Nalle]

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>be ct
>have no team dmg
>throw molotov
>push molotov
<???????
>profit

No. I was not saying your character takes no damage. I was saying if you and 4 of your friends que up and you accidentally do to much damage to your teammates, instead of getting temp banned for damage you have something different happen.

Being removed from the match was a little to extreme in a full 5 que to me but as other have pointed out it may not be the best idea.

Maybe allowing teammates to forgive a higher team damage/team kills before it starts counting towards the temp ban would be more appropriate.

so it's just different penalty for team dmg?

i mean if you just get kicked from match lower ban/no ban with veto but having some different rules for premades and solo/duo/trio would mean just abusing the system take 5 derankers and ez derank it sounds like system you could abuse so hard