Is this a joke?

[gOoD]

Now in cs 2 there will be a maximum of 24 rounds in matchmaking! Is this for fun or something?

[YouAreGod]

Not official yet as far as I know.

[elementX]

Originally posted by Може:

Not official yet as far as I know.

Its hidden in the Files. So most likley it will happen. But a lot of people already dislike it - specially people who knows what MR12 mean form 1.6.

[Ray Benchmark]

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

We used to have mr12 in the old days and it was changed because you had to eco twice when losing the pistolround(in 1.6). More rounds stretched the issue and the pistolround had less impact. Now it's not necessary anymore.

CS Never had this! It was the Ruleset of some Leagues (ELeague).
And there is more then just the Pistol Round Stuff to it, why the Game went to MR15.
Btw, because of a Bug back in the days it was MR12.

MR12 is trash.

"We never had this", what? Back then valve mm didn't exist and everyone used that. Every website, every lan, every irc quakenet war.

Also you say there is much more to it but then don't come up with arguments. Use arguments.

Also a bug? Never heard of it. You really think in around 2001/2002 people changed to MR system (before it was based on a timelimit and not actually max round based) and while starting to use the rcon command maxrounds they had a bug which didn't let people play to mr15, but 12? Explain that.

"Mr12 is trash". Wow. Great discussion mate. I have so many arguments why mr12 is better and why it was changed to mr15 in chronological order and you write this lol

[McFlyte]

Originally posted by gOoD:

Now in cs 2 there will be a maximum of 24 rounds in matchmaking! Is this for fun or something?

Did u saw an official statement from Valve?
If not, just wait, the game is on beta yet... everything can be changed....

[McFlyte]

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Its hidden in the Files. So most likley it will happen.

CSGO always had hidden items on files for years, weapons, keychains, grenade with music , etc.
Did u saw releasing them on csgo?
Isnt rare to see the dev teams testing weird stuff that will never got released.
That means that MR12 will not be released?
No, that means that dont get hyped/cry about something until it's official.

[skOsH♥]

I would rather have less rounds. I want to play more games in less time

[Ben Lubar]

Originally posted by d¢:

I would rather have less rounds. I want to play more games in less time

There's an option to play first to 9 instead of first to 16

[elementX]

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

CS Never had this! It was the Ruleset of some Leagues (ELeague).
And there is more then just the Pistol Round Stuff to it, why the Game went to MR15.
Btw, because of a Bug back in the days it was MR12.

MR12 is trash.

"We never had this", what? Back then valve mm didn't exist and everyone used that. Every website, every lan, every irc quakenet war.

Also you say there is much more to it but then don't come up with arguments. Use arguments.

Also a bug? Never heard of it. You really think in around 2001/2002 people changed to MR system (before it was based on a timelimit and not actually max round based) and while starting to use the rcon command maxrounds they had a bug which didn't let people play to mr15, but 12? Explain that.

"Mr12 is trash". Wow. Great discussion mate. I have so many arguments why mr12 is better and why it was changed to mr15 in chronological order and you write this lol

Do you really think i write an essay for you on why MR12 is bad and was bad 20 years ago?
Do you really want me to explain the economy Bug from 20 years ago and why all Leagues had to go on MR12?
Do you really want me to give a List of Arguments, on why MR12 will make the Game more Boring?

Use google.com, you'll find plenty of answers on why MR12 was "needed" and why it was Bad.

For me, MR12 is a no. Hope relays on FaceIT that they keep MR15.
And no this is not da debate or some BS. Its just my honest opinion.
And no i dont really care about you. And no i dont care about your feelings. And now good night lvl0 Private Steam account.

[DirtySánchez 瞄准机器人™ identitystea]

cs2 got adopted by valoranrt familie

[Fr4ntic]

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

We used to have mr12 in the old days and it was changed because you had to eco twice when losing the pistolround(in 1.6). More rounds stretched the issue and the pistolround had less impact. Now it's not necessary anymore.

CS Never had this! It was the Ruleset of some Leagues (ELeague).
And there is more then just the Pistol Round Stuff to it, why the Game went to MR15.
Btw, because of a Bug back in the days it was MR12.

MR12 is trash.

Your contradicting yourself. Ntl when I started in 1.3 Iam sure there was mr12 possible only and mr15 added later.

https://youtu.be/1iqaYTU8ejo

Ct side of heaton on a eswc qaulifier , the demo pov ends on 8-4

[elementX]

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

CS Never had this! It was the Ruleset of some Leagues (ELeague).
And there is more then just the Pistol Round Stuff to it, why the Game went to MR15.
Btw, because of a Bug back in the days it was MR12.

MR12 is trash.

Your contradicting yourself. Ntl when I started in 1.3 Iam sure there was mr12 possible only and mr15 added later.

https://youtu.be/1iqaYTU8ejo

Ct side of heaton on a eswc qaulifier , the demo pov ends on 8-4

No. There was no "official" MR12 or MR15. You could just hop on a Server with infinite MR.
MR12 was forced by E-League CPL. They switched it back because of a lot of reasons, one of them was a Money "bug". T survived without planting the Bomb -> CTs wouldnt get money and had Problems in the next Round. Had to ECO. So you only need to "use" this and trash the economy of CTs. Problem with MR12 then was, you had no chance to comeback from it.

Pistol Rounds -> you lost Pistol Round -> you had to ECO 2 Rounds -> Lose the next Round -> 0:4 which is 1/3 of the half, just by losing pistol.
If halftime was 4:8 and the enemy Team won the Pistol after switch, most Games went 4:13. Just a few reasons on why it went to MR15.
Later on people figured out MR15 suites better to CS. Less Saving Rounds, more force buys and Gamble Plays, even later with economy Changes, more Gun Rounds, even more less saving rounds. More AWP Plays, comebacks, etc. etc. etc.
That's why Valve (with CS:GO) took MR15 as "offical" and most agreed with it, because it made the Game better.
Even on Community Severs Back then, people played more MR15 and Above then MR12, because it just was Bad

[Ray Benchmark]

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

"We never had this", what? Back then valve mm didn't exist and everyone used that. Every website, every lan, every irc quakenet war.

Also you say there is much more to it but then don't come up with arguments. Use arguments.

Also a bug? Never heard of it. You really think in around 2001/2002 people changed to MR system (before it was based on a timelimit and not actually max round based) and while starting to use the rcon command maxrounds they had a bug which didn't let people play to mr15, but 12? Explain that.

"Mr12 is trash". Wow. Great discussion mate. I have so many arguments why mr12 is better and why it was changed to mr15 in chronological order and you write this lol

Do you really think i write an essay for you on why MR12 is bad and was bad 20 years ago?
Do you really want me to explain the economy Bug from 20 years ago and why all Leagues had to go on MR12?
Do you really want me to give a List of Arguments, on why MR12 will make the Game more Boring?

Use google.com, you'll find plenty of answers on why MR12 was "needed" and why it was Bad.

For me, MR12 is a no. Hope relays on FaceIT that they keep MR15.
And no this is not da debate or some BS. Its just my honest opinion.
And no i dont really care about you. And no i dont care about your feelings. And now good night lvl0 Private Steam account.

This is a discussion forum and if you want to participate then yes, you have to use arguments and use sources for your claims. "Use google" is the worst and very poor attempt to get out of the discussion.

I play this game since 1999 and was a competitive person since day 1 since I was a competitive person before that already and all you say here contradicts from my experience and the experience of any other person and the entire internet I k ow. This does not mean that I clail you are wrong. I just want you to prove your claims.

I don't have to investigate based on your claims because I know what I know and know what is in the internet.

You basically claim the earth is flat and just say "look for yourself and you'll understand". This is how usually people with no arguments talk. The burden of prove is on your side.

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Originally posted by Fr4ntic:

Your contradicting yourself. Ntl when I started in 1.3 Iam sure there was mr12 possible only and mr15 added later.

https://youtu.be/1iqaYTU8ejo

Ct side of heaton on a eswc qaulifier , the demo pov ends on 8-4

No. There was no "official" MR12 or MR15. You could just hop on a Server with infinite MR.
MR12 was forced by E-League CPL. They switched it back because of a lot of reasons, one of them was a Money "bug". T survived without planting the Bomb -> CTs wouldnt get money and had Problems in the next Round. Had to ECO. So you only need to "use" this and trash the economy of CTs. Problem with MR12 then was, you had no chance to comeback from it.

Pistol Rounds -> you lost Pistol Round -> you had to ECO 2 Rounds -> Lose the next Round -> 0:4 which is 1/3 of the half, just by losing pistol.
If halftime was 4:8 and the enemy Team won the Pistol after switch, most Games went 4:13. Just a few reasons on why it went to MR15.
Later on people figured out MR15 suites better to CS. Less Saving Rounds, more force buys and Gamble Plays, even later with economy Changes, more Gun Rounds, even more less saving rounds. More AWP Plays, comebacks, etc. etc. etc.
That's why Valve (with CS:GO) took MR15 as "offical" and most agreed with it, because it made the Game better.
Even on Community Severs Back then, people played more MR15 and Above then MR12, because it just was Bad

Yes. mr12 is 1.6 wasn't good. That was exactly what I was saying and why they increased the rounds so the pistolround in total has less impact. You repeat what I said.

In CSGO it changed drastically so that mr15 isn't necessary anymore. And even pros say they are very tired after bo5 and even bo3 because mr15 is very long.

What you said is that mr12 is trash IN GENERAL. But now you say mr12 WAS trash in 1.6 for economy reasons which I already explained why that was.

Everyone wins with csgo's mr12. Yes. Every. One.

- the casuals because they don't have to commit to thar long matches
- the viewer of matches because it is less long and repetitive
- the pros because they aren't that tired
- the entire communkty because bo5's finally are .ore attractive again

There is exactly zero - ZERO - drawbacks. Since the economy doesn't play a big role. As I explained already. T's with bomb plant but got defused have a better buy than CT who won. T's who lost without bombplant still can force or eco once. CTs can eco or just buy one tiny thing like a föash, a cz, zeus etc.

Also one thing which I didn't mention yet: In 1.6 you not only had less money, no, you also had weaker guns. In CSGO you can buy a p250, cz, tec9, 57, mac10, mp9, zeus, deagle - you have so many very strong weapons. And that is why we see so many force buy and eco wins. In 1.6 the losing team could barely buy a deagle. And maybe one out of 50 deagle buys were won. In CSGO it is more like 1 out of 7. That is just a guess based on the last major and iem where constantly force buyer won the rounds.

So many arguments in favor of mr12 in csgo. And I haven't yet seen one argument against it.

[elementX]

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Do you really think i write an essay for you on why MR12 is bad and was bad 20 years ago?
Do you really want me to explain the economy Bug from 20 years ago and why all Leagues had to go on MR12?
Do you really want me to give a List of Arguments, on why MR12 will make the Game more Boring?

Use google.com, you'll find plenty of answers on why MR12 was "needed" and why it was Bad.

For me, MR12 is a no. Hope relays on FaceIT that they keep MR15.
And no this is not da debate or some BS. Its just my honest opinion.
And no i dont really care about you. And no i dont care about your feelings. And now good night lvl0 Private Steam account.

This is a discussion forum and if you want to participate then yes, you have to use arguments and use sources for your claims. "Use google" is the worst and very poor attempt to get out of the discussion.

I play this game since 1999 and was a competitive person since day 1 since I was a competitive person before that already and all you say here contradicts from my experience and the experience of any other person and the entire internet I k ow. This does not mean that I clail you are wrong. I just want you to prove your claims.

I don't have to investigate based on your claims because I know what I know and know what is in the internet.

You basically claim the earth is flat and just say "look for yourself and you'll understand". This is how usually people with no arguments talk. The burden of prove is on your side.

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

No. There was no "official" MR12 or MR15. You could just hop on a Server with infinite MR.
MR12 was forced by E-League CPL. They switched it back because of a lot of reasons, one of them was a Money "bug". T survived without planting the Bomb -> CTs wouldnt get money and had Problems in the next Round. Had to ECO. So you only need to "use" this and trash the economy of CTs. Problem with MR12 then was, you had no chance to comeback from it.

Pistol Rounds -> you lost Pistol Round -> you had to ECO 2 Rounds -> Lose the next Round -> 0:4 which is 1/3 of the half, just by losing pistol.
If halftime was 4:8 and the enemy Team won the Pistol after switch, most Games went 4:13. Just a few reasons on why it went to MR15.
Later on people figured out MR15 suites better to CS. Less Saving Rounds, more force buys and Gamble Plays, even later with economy Changes, more Gun Rounds, even more less saving rounds. More AWP Plays, comebacks, etc. etc. etc.
That's why Valve (with CS:GO) took MR15 as "offical" and most agreed with it, because it made the Game better.
Even on Community Severs Back then, people played more MR15 and Above then MR12, because it just was Bad

Yes. mr12 is 1.6 wasn't good. That was exactly what I was saying and why they increased the rounds so the pistolround in total has less impact. You repeat what I said.

In CSGO it changed drastically so that mr15 isn't necessary anymore. And even pros say they are very tired after bo5 and even bo3 because mr15 is very long.

What you said is that mr12 is trash IN GENERAL. But now you say mr12 WAS trash in 1.6 for economy reasons which I already explained why that was.

Everyone wins with csgo's mr12. Yes. Every. One.

- the casuals because they don't have to commit to thar long matches
- the viewer of matches because it is less long and repetitive
- the pros because they aren't that tired
- the entire communkty because bo5's finally are .ore attractive again

There is exactly zero - ZERO - drawbacks. Since the economy doesn't play a big role. As I explained already. T's with bomb plant but got defused have a better buy than CT who won. T's who lost without bombplant still can force or eco once. CTs can eco or just buy one tiny thing like a föash, a cz, zeus etc.

Also one thing which I didn't mention yet: In 1.6 you not only had less money, no, you also had weaker guns. In CSGO you can buy a p250, cz, tec9, 57, mac10, mp9, zeus, deagle - you have so many very strong weapons. And that is why we see so many force buy and eco wins. In 1.6 the losing team could barely buy a deagle. And maybe one out of 50 deagle buys were won. In CSGO it is more like 1 out of 7. That is just a guess based on the last major and iem where constantly force buyer won the rounds.

So many arguments in favor of mr12 in csgo. And I haven't yet seen one argument against it.

I already brought up Arguments, you'll refuse to accept them because you going to die on your Hill.

With MR12 and the current economy you'll still have less Comebacks, less AWPs, less Gamble Plays, less forces. Less Time for Teams to switch Tactics, etc.
A lot "more" less of everything as you can see.

You need to change the Economy complete with MR12 again, Pistol round will again be Crucial to every Half. Soon after people will start Crying again an wanting to get rid of Pistol rounds.

You will see more boring Savings.
You need to stop seeing MR15 as just additional 3 Rounds.
Those 3 rounds spread over the whole match are making it possible to comeback, upset, make plays, ecos, etc. Those 3 Rounds are bringing room for new tactics, trying things.
With MR12 the Space for the above is way more less.

Just think about it -> now 10:5 Halftime, the leading team needs 6 more Rounds to win.
Leading Team wins Pistol 11:5 / 12:5 -> Still needs 4 Rounds to win. You can lose 1-2 Rounds and still break even or even win. Way "easier".

MR12 -> 8:4 the leading team only needs 5 more Rounds. Leading Team wins Pistol.
9:4 / 10:4 -> Still needs only 3 Rounds to win. As the Team which is behind, you cant afford to lose any more rounds, because it will lead you to another ECO, Halfbuy, etc. 1 Round maybe left then.

On Paper this might seem not a big deal, but in the actual game it is.
You'll see way more 13:4. Because the Team behind has it way harder to comeback.
Keep in Mind 3 Rounds less = 3 Possible Forces, Economy Resets, etc. less. in Mid to Lategame of a Map.

Then you'll have the new "buymenu" where you have to pick a Loadout. With MR15 i dont see a Problem here. With MR12 there is a huge Problem, because your loadout is smaller. Not enough money for Deagle? Oh you dont have 5-7 in your Loadout...unlucky....have fun in full ECO.

Sorry that Pros are crying because they are Tired after a match is not an Argument. They are Pros, earning money with it. If you want E-Sports to be accepted as a real Sports....this is by far the wrongest way possible. Maybe they should start working out ans stop drinking "gaming Booster". Funny how an old pleb like me is not tired after play 3 Maps in a row on FaceIT.....Give me the chance to play a Major and i couldn't care less on how long 1 Map plays. This is just the usual Pro Crying stuff.

And not an Argument within itself. But why do you think we have MR15 for a least a Decade? Because People liked it, it made the Game Better, it made it what it is right now. A well balanced, Action- Rich, Top Shelf FPS - It made Count-Strike THE Competitive E-Sports Game. And you really want Less of this?

Now hf with your essay

[elementX]

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

- the casuals because they don't have to commit to thar long matches
- the viewer of matches because it is less long and repetitive
- the pros because they aren't that tired
- the entire communkty because bo5's finally are .ore attractive again

- Who Cares about casuals in a Competitive E-Sports. Decide what you wanna talk about - Pros and Comp or Casual.
- And? You think overall it will consume less time? Less Play = more time for The Desk or Ads
- As i said, this is a SPORT....maybe they should get fit.
- They are attractive. an BO3's are too.

Tell me, are those your Arguments? How about Rounds, Combacks, Gunrounds, etc. etc.?
You are not even talking about how it changes the Game.
Acutally you bring ZERO Arguments to the Table about how it effects the Game, the Playstyle, the Comp, etc.
That's why i tell you again....Use your Head. And you figure out what the Problems are with MR12.

[Ray Benchmark]

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

Originally posted by Ray Benchmark:

This is a discussion forum and if you want to participate then yes, you have to use arguments and use sources for your claims. "Use google" is the worst and very poor attempt to get out of the discussion.

I play this game since 1999 and was a competitive person since day 1 since I was a competitive person before that already and all you say here contradicts from my experience and the experience of any other person and the entire internet I k ow. This does not mean that I clail you are wrong. I just want you to prove your claims.

I don't have to investigate based on your claims because I know what I know and know what is in the internet.

You basically claim the earth is flat and just say "look for yourself and you'll understand". This is how usually people with no arguments talk. The burden of prove is on your side.


Yes. mr12 is 1.6 wasn't good. That was exactly what I was saying and why they increased the rounds so the pistolround in total has less impact. You repeat what I said.

In CSGO it changed drastically so that mr15 isn't necessary anymore. And even pros say they are very tired after bo5 and even bo3 because mr15 is very long.

What you said is that mr12 is trash IN GENERAL. But now you say mr12 WAS trash in 1.6 for economy reasons which I already explained why that was.

Everyone wins with csgo's mr12. Yes. Every. One.

- the casuals because they don't have to commit to thar long matches
- the viewer of matches because it is less long and repetitive
- the pros because they aren't that tired
- the entire communkty because bo5's finally are .ore attractive again

There is exactly zero - ZERO - drawbacks. Since the economy doesn't play a big role. As I explained already. T's with bomb plant but got defused have a better buy than CT who won. T's who lost without bombplant still can force or eco once. CTs can eco or just buy one tiny thing like a föash, a cz, zeus etc.

Also one thing which I didn't mention yet: In 1.6 you not only had less money, no, you also had weaker guns. In CSGO you can buy a p250, cz, tec9, 57, mac10, mp9, zeus, deagle - you have so many very strong weapons. And that is why we see so many force buy and eco wins. In 1.6 the losing team could barely buy a deagle. And maybe one out of 50 deagle buys were won. In CSGO it is more like 1 out of 7. That is just a guess based on the last major and iem where constantly force buyer won the rounds.

So many arguments in favor of mr12 in csgo. And I haven't yet seen one argument against it.

I already brought up Arguments, you'll refuse to accept them because you going to die on your Hill.

With MR12 and the current economy you'll still have less Comebacks, less AWPs, less Gamble Plays, less forces. Less Time for Teams to switch Tactics, etc.
A lot "more" less of everything as you can see.

You need to change the Economy complete with MR12 again, Pistol round will again be Crucial to every Half. Soon after people will start Crying again an wanting to get rid of Pistol rounds.

You will see more boring Savings.
You need to stop seeing MR15 as just additional 3 Rounds.
Those 3 rounds spread over the whole match are making it possible to comeback, upset, make plays, ecos, etc. Those 3 Rounds are bringing room for new tactics, trying things.
With MR12 the Space for the above is way more less.

Just think about it -> now 10:5 Halftime, the leading team needs 6 more Rounds to win.
Leading Team wins Pistol 11:5 / 12:5 -> Still needs 4 Rounds to win. You can lose 1-2 Rounds and still break even or even win. Way "easier".

MR12 -> 8:4 the leading team only needs 5 more Rounds. Leading Team wins Pistol.
9:4 / 10:4 -> Still needs only 3 Rounds to win. As the Team which is behind, you cant afford to lose any more rounds, because it will lead you to another ECO, Halfbuy, etc. 1 Round maybe left then.

On Paper this might seem not a big deal, but in the actual game it is.
You'll see way more 13:4. Because the Team behind has it way harder to comeback.
Keep in Mind 3 Rounds less = 3 Possible Forces, Economy Resets, etc. less. in Mid to Lategame of a Map.

Then you'll have the new "buymenu" where you have to pick a Loadout. With MR15 i dont see a Problem here. With MR12 there is a huge Problem, because your loadout is smaller. Not enough money for Deagle? Oh you dont have 5-7 in your Loadout...unlucky....have fun in full ECO.

Sorry that Pros are crying because they are Tired after a match is not an Argument. They are Pros, earning money with it. If you want E-Sports to be accepted as a real Sports....this is by far the wrongest way possible. Maybe they should start working out ans stop drinking "gaming Booster". Funny how an old pleb like me is not tired after play 3 Maps in a row on FaceIT.....Give me the chance to play a Major and i couldn't care less on how long 1 Map plays. This is just the usual Pro Crying stuff.

And not an Argument within itself. But why do you think we have MR15 for a least a Decade? Because People liked it, it made the Game Better, it made it what it is right now. A well balanced, Action- Rich, Top Shelf FPS - It made Count-Strike THE Competitive E-Sports Game. And you really want Less of this?

Now hf with your essay

Quite funny how I'm here ready to listen and learn from you but you insult me, call me out for beeing on a high hill and get toxic all the way.

Originally posted by EternityKush |<o>| pew pew:

- Who Cares about casuals in a Competitive E-Sports. Decide what you wanna talk about - Pros and Comp or Casual.
- And? You think overall it will consume less time? Less Play = more time for The Desk or Ads
- As i said, this is a SPORT....maybe they should get fit.
- They are attractive. an BO3's are too.

Tell me, are those your Arguments? How about Rounds, Combacks, Gunrounds, etc. etc.?
You are not even talking about how it changes the Game.
Acutally you bring ZERO Arguments to the Table about how it effects the Game, the Playstyle, the Comp, etc.
That's why i tell you again....Use your Head. And you figure out what the Problems are with MR12.

And more toxicity and nonsens talk. "who cares about casuals, decide what you wanna talk about"

Both matters. Obviously in the end pro scene matters for meta building but casual should feel food about it too.

Whatever. I'll not waste my time with toxic and arrogant people. Blocked.