Steam/VALVe sucks donkey ♥♥♥♥

[Տէսռէ.xP]

CSGO rating system? What the ♥♥♥♥ is that? Bleep and censor all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... you guys are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ pansies who haven't figured out a way, regardless of how many pro or experienced level players tell you waht to do, can't figure out how.

If you've missed the memos or are too clearly stupid to understand the methodology behind your penalty or hackiong-esque system, that you have in place.. let me inform you.

1.) TFC - Top 25 by theCLQ.com - With WON, there were hacking program sniffers. Early Steam, there was too. In the majority of Steam, you've tried to be proactive. But now, you have a game that people spend ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of real money; not from themselves, but from scams, parents, or gifts (typically), so you bank this huge profit, and allow EVERYONE to play. Just as the Founding Fathers of America didn't want to allow everyone to vote, simply because they were alive human beings, we shouldn't allow anyone, especially just anyone, the right to play.

2.) Aside from the fact you've removed all the deturrents you used to have that hackers had to bypass, you've done nothing active to the sort now. You've enlisted us, to do your ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ job for you. For that, your wealthy, c-note ass wiping ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ should go to hell. What threats are there looming? Nothing. You let smurfs own the silver ranks. You let asshats who hack control anything they'd like, all on the predisposition that people will still play your game, even with the hackers, so let them try and report the ones... god... the ambiguity is too strong.

3.) You guys are theives. To create a system where kids, 13+ can use CCNs and spend soo much money it's sick? To allow children to gamble on CSGO betting sites because they have use of a Steam account? You guys all deserve to go to hell for these actions and serve time in jail before it.

In hindsight, you will have noticed, you spent more time caring about the $$$ than anytihng else in this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world.

[mdb]

Originally posted by Stunt:

CSGO rating system? What the ♥♥♥♥ is that? Bleep and censor all this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥... you guys are ♥♥♥♥ing pansies who haven't figured out a way, regardless of how many pro or experienced level players tell you waht to do, can't figure out how.

If you've missed the memos or are too clearly stupid to understand the methodology behind your penalty or hackiong-esque system, that you have in place.. let me inform you.

1.) TFC - Top 25 by theCLQ.com - With WON, there were hacking program sniffers. Early Steam, there was too. In the majority of Steam, you've tried to be proactive. But now, you have a game that people spend ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s of real money; not from themselves, but from scams, parents, or gifts (typically), so you bank this huge profit, and allow EVERYONE to play. Just as the Founding Fathers of America didn't want to allow everyone to vote, simply because they were alive human beings, we shouldn't allow anyone, especially just anyone, the right to play.

2.) Aside from the fact you've removed all the deturrents you used to have that hackers had to bypass, you've done nothing active to the sort now. You've enlisted us, to do your ♥♥♥♥ing job for you. For that, your wealthy, c-note ♥♥♥ wiping ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥s should go to hell. What threats are there looming? Nothing. You let smurfs own the silver ranks. You let asshats who hack control anything they'd like, all on the predisposition that people will still play your game, even with the hackers, so let them try and report the ones... god... the ambiguity is too strong.

3.) You guys are theives. To create a system where kids, 13+ can use CCNs and spend soo much money it's sick? To allow children to gamble on CSGO betting sites because they have use of a Steam account? You guys all deserve to go to hell for these actions and serve time in jail before it.

In hindsight, you will have noticed, you spent more time caring about the $$$ than anytihng else in this ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ world.

1. There will always be cheaters. While valve is being proactive its attempts to battle the epidemic, there will never be a 100% solution.

2. Smurfs can never be verified and will also always exist as part of the game.

3. This game is posted on steam with the recommend age of 17+. Valve isn't responsible for the threats CS:go possesses to the children under this age who deliberately and knowingly bought the game

[Hirate Yurina]

it's actually MUCH harder to cheat nowadays than it was back in the days of 1.6 and CSS. trust me, I cheated in both and am not ashamed to admit it (even got up to the upper competitive echelons on CSS by using hacks). all you had to do was change a few values and recompile a cheat and presto - you had your own undetectable private hack that VAC -never- picked up.

now you have VAC, which has been upgraded quite a bit and receives much more attention as far as its database goes etc., the serverside anticheat which actually bans quite a few people that don't configure their cheat properly AND overwatch on top of that.

you really can't do more than that other than implementing a more invasive client side anticheat such as the ESEA AC.

not to mention providers of private cheats get detected on a regular basis, which is something that never happened before CSGO. if you bought an undetected cheat like x22, organner etc. you we're pretty much guaranteed you will never be banned by VAC.

[Dean]

So many lies...
Valve improved system against cheaters & scammers pretty well. How you can't see that?
And it's not Valve's fault that some neglected kids empty their parent's wallets.

[mdb]

Originally posted by Ai Uehara:

it's actually MUCH harder to cheat nowadays than it was back in the days of 1.6 and CSS. trust me, I cheated in both and am not ashamed to admit it (even got up to the upper competitive echelons on CSS by using hacks). all you had to do was change a few values and recompile a cheat and presto - you had your own undetectable private hack that VAC -never- picked up.

now you have VAC, which has been upgraded quite a bit and receives much more attention as far as its database goes etc., the serverside anticheat which actually bans quite a few people that don't configure their cheat properly AND overwatch on top of that.

you really can't do more than that other than implementing a more invasive client side anticheat such as the ESEA AC.

Rip bitcoins amirite :^^^)))

[Տէսռէ.xP]

Actually, it's much easier to cheat, as I run into it daily. I can't tell you how deliberately people are doing it in the Silvers, and never at the GN stages. It's like, pros come down to ♥♥♥♥ around with hacks, to get better at seeing things. ((For the record, that's not new... that's always been happening...))

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Originally posted by Stunt:

Actually, it's much easier to cheat, as I run into it daily. I can't tell you how deliberately people are doing it in the Silvers, and never at the GN stages. It's like, pros come down to ♥♥♥♥ around with hacks, to get better at seeing things. ((For the record, that's not new... that's always been happening...))

I highly doubt professional players create silver accounts to test out cheats. No doubt there is more cheating and smurfing in lower ranks (probably more smurfs you think are cheating, too). Those people get banned over time, VAC isn't instantaneous.

[Տէսռէ.xP]

No ♥♥♥♥ sherlock. But that's not the point of my rant. In fact, you're missing the fact that what I just said, has actually been proven, even on the pro stages. Look at the USP-S shot on Dust II. If you don't know what I'm tlaking about, google it. Everybody knows, some of these pro level players dabble in ♥♥♥♥ they shouldn't, just to see the other side, it's mechanics. I know, when I was top 25 in the SC ladder, I used to go to pub games, with guys who were super smart, and all I'd do is play D, and record it all, just to spectate all their actions. Instead of walling, I removed the fog of war. Instead of aim botting, I made sure to see the light of day. But you're probably too young to get any of that.

[mdb]

Originally posted by Stunt:

No ♥♥♥♥ sherlock. But that's not the point of my rant. In fact, you're missing the fact that what I just said, has actually been proven, even on the pro stages. Look at the USP-S shot on Dust II. If you don't know what I'm tlaking about, google it. Everybody knows, some of these pro level players dabble in ♥♥♥♥ they shouldn't, just to see the other side, it's mechanics. I know, when I was top 25 in the SC ladder, I used to go to pub games, with guys who were super smart, and all I'd do is play D, and record it all, just to spectate all their actions. Instead of walling, I removed the fog of war. Instead of aim botting, I made sure to see the light of day. But you're probably too young to get any of that.

I can assure you I'm probably older than you, if at the least not "young". I can also assure you almost all pro players do not cheat, while some have been caught and others suspicious. I am concerned about the levels of paranoia you are displaying, perhaps you should take some medicine and check that out.

I'm not missing the point, we're disagreeing. The fact that you're willing to "belittle" anyone introducing criticism or opposing points of view to your opinion says a lot of about you. People do cheat, pros not so much though.

[Hirate Yurina]

Originally posted by Stunt:

Actually, it's much easier to cheat, as I run into it daily. I can't tell you how deliberately people are doing it in the Silvers, and never at the GN stages. It's like, pros come down to ♥♥♥♥ around with hacks, to get better at seeing things. ((For the record, that's not new... that's always been happening...))

Nah, it's just that the game is far more popular than before, and thus you encounter more cheaters by sheer percentage.

Trust me, it's MUCH harder to cheat in CSGO than it was in any other itteration of CS before. Private cheat providers that cost up to $50 monthly for their subscription plans get detected regularly. This is unheard of in any other game. I can name plenty providers that got detected over the past few months, but im sure the word filter would have a field day.

Hell, there is an active serverside anticheat that detects player behavior that shouldn't be possible such as going over a certain speed (speedhacks), aimbots that aren't coded properly etc. They even made it much harder to make good ESP's by reducing the ''visibility'' range of players when they are behind solid walls.

Im not a Valve fan by any stretch, infact I thoroughly dislike them for their sleazy practices with gambling, the way they treated some of their other games communities in the past and so on. But you cannot fault them for their anticheat efforts. No game company currently has as many anticheat systems in place and is doing NEARLY as good of a job.

[Kevin>.<]

BS.... cheating is rampant, smurfs are just as bad as the cheaters. Ive played this game since it was a mod for half life and yeah the anti-cheat is ok but its no where near where it should be. And they even help the hackers do it by putting the game on sale, cause if the game was 60 dollars I can gurantee the number of hackers and so called smurfs would diminish substantially.
But whats 8 dollars? A trip to McDonalds or some other trash fast food place. Come on.

[Hirate Yurina]

Originally posted by Kevin>.<:

BS.... cheating is rampant, smurfs are just as bad as the cheaters. Ive played this game since it was a mod for half life and yeah the anti-cheat is ok but its no where near where it should be. And they even help the hackers do it by putting the game on sale, cause if the game was 60 dollars I can gurantee the number of hackers and so called smurfs would diminish substantially.
But whats 8 dollars? A trip to McDonalds or some other trash fast food place. Come on.

you're right on all counts, but look at it this way - any kind of stronger, more invasive anticheat would mean exactly that. invasiveness. it's not very practical to have a client side anticheat that scans trough your PC while you play, and some people might actually take issue with that. remember, this game is played by hundreds of thousands of people every day. millions, even. it's just not feasible to go the ESEA / CEVO route with a separate anticheat that runs in the background while you play. would it be ideal? sure, but it's just simply too much for the common user.

the price is another tricky thing. if you price the game too high, you don't get a playerbase as big as it is now. if you price it too low, you get people making throaway accounts just for cheating - as you pointed out. thats why the Prime system has recently been implemented, but it's probably gonna take a while before results are visible. and it's also not very hard to get a throwaway SIM card or use an online SMS service to bypass it.

just trying to make you see the other side of the coin.

I think the issues you are having with the game are very easily rectified by just avoiding the matchmaking system altogether and start playing a PUG service such as ESEA or CEVO. the matchmaking system is a subpar experience anyway with it's relatively poorly skilled players and 60 tick servers.