i have proof the nova is underpowered garbage

[sharkbyte1500]

awhile back i started a discusion as to weather or not the shotguns are underpowered as you can see here
https://steamcommunity.com/app/730/discussions/0/3379410661804793594/

alot of people told me "no you just need to get good at aiming with them"

well i call bs on that the following clip was taken from today in which a guy from what looks to be only 1.5 meters away from me DOESNT DIE to a HEADSHOT i ever slowed down the vid so you can definitly see i hit him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAEBj7TCBbc

[ʚ alex ɞ]

the nova, as any other shotgun, shoots multiple pellets. since your aim was quite off at the moment you shot, most likely only 1 or 2 pellets hit the enemy, instead of all of them. if your head would've been ON the head rather to the side of it, he wouldve surely died

[Beduece]

Cs meters ≠ irl meters, you'd know if you played operation broken Fang (or one of the most recent operations) with the "kill 15 (or something) enemies within 35m (or something)" and the knife was already 20m 💀

[Schekelberg73]

i just took a look at the video and you werent on target the moment you shot. You moved your crosshair over his head after you already shot which is too late.
Every shotgun has a unique pellet spray, a bit randomized, but still distingushable. You just hit him with a few pellets.

[sharkbyte1500]

Originally posted by Schekelberg73:

i just took a look at the video and you werent on target the moment you shot. You moved your crosshair over his head after you already shot which is too late.
Every shotgun has a unique pellet spray, a bit randomized, but still distingushable. You just hit him with a few pellets.

Still even if only 2 hit him from that range he shouldn't even be alive

[sharkbyte1500]

Originally posted by Zurah':

the nova, as any other shotgun, shoots multiple pellets. since your aim was quite off at the moment you shot, most likely only 1 or 2 pellets hit the enemy, instead of all of them. if your head would've been ON the head rather to the side of it, he wouldve surely died

Still from that range I shouldn't have to worry about being accurate with a shotgun so long as the cross hair is on his head

[Schekelberg73]

Originally posted by sharkbyte1500:

Originally posted by Schekelberg73:

i just took a look at the video and you werent on target the moment you shot. You moved your crosshair over his head after you already shot which is too late.
Every shotgun has a unique pellet spray, a bit randomized, but still distingushable. You just hit him with a few pellets.

Still even if only 2 hit him from that range he shouldn't even be alive

That would be a big hole in the meta of the shotguns if 2 pellets are enough to kill.

[sharkbyte1500]

Originally posted by Schekelberg73:

Originally posted by sharkbyte1500:

Still even if only 2 hit him from that range he shouldn't even be alive

That would be a big hole in the meta of the shotguns if 2 pellets are enough to kill.

At that close range with a headshot? Why not? Like don't shotguns have fall off damage and they spread farther the more they go so I don't see a problem with this

[Schekelberg73]

Originally posted by sharkbyte1500:

Originally posted by Zurah':

the nova, as any other shotgun, shoots multiple pellets. since your aim was quite off at the moment you shot, most likely only 1 or 2 pellets hit the enemy, instead of all of them. if your head would've been ON the head rather to the side of it, he wouldve surely died

Still from that range I shouldn't have to worry about being accurate with a shotgun so long as the cross hair is on his head

Yeah, thats true. If your crosshair is on point he will be dead. However you werent on target, that means you shouldnt be able to make damage. With every other weapon it would have been a clear miss if you stood still and no inaccuracy was applied.

[temper]

There's a reason no one in higher ranks uses shotguns (unless it's an eco/anti-eco round and you're playing something super close range like apps on inferno).

[Schekelberg73]

Originally posted by sharkbyte1500:

Originally posted by Schekelberg73:

That would be a big hole in the meta of the shotguns if 2 pellets are enough to kill.

At that close range with a headshot? Why not? Like don't shotguns have fall off damage and they spread farther the more they go so I don't see a problem with this

Because you just hit 2 out of 11 pellets or something like that. Every pellet counts, not just those hitting the target.

[sharkbyte1500]

Originally posted by Schekelberg73:

Originally posted by sharkbyte1500:

Still from that range I shouldn't have to worry about being accurate with a shotgun so long as the cross hair is on his head

Yeah, thats true. If your crosshair is on point he will be dead. However you werent on target, that means you shouldnt be able to make damage. With every other weapon it would have been a clear miss if you stood still and no inaccuracy was applied.

Ok so I did the math

If the stats are correct that means the nova does 26 damage per pellet if 2 pellets hit his body that would mean 56 damage alone however since they were a headshot and the headshot multiplier is 400% I'm struggling to see how he's didn't flop to the group like a ragdoll immediately after

[Schekelberg73]

Okay, now i know why. You Just Hit 1 Out of 9 pellets. He Had a helmet, with an Armor Penetration of 50% This means 13 damage per pellet. Multiplied with 4 it's 52 damage. You probably Just Hit 1 pellet.
Nova has a low Range modifier of 0,7. That means it loses its damage really fast over distance. AK is 0,98 i think, AWP 0,99.

[Mr. Nice Guy]

Proof your aim is bad…

[RAt]

Originally posted by sharkbyte1500:

Originally posted by Schekelberg73:

That would be a big hole in the meta of the shotguns if 2 pellets are enough to kill.

At that close range with a headshot? Why not? Like don't shotguns have fall off damage and they spread farther the more they go so I don't see a problem with this

There was an update a long time ago that I'm sure everyone forgot about where they increased the damage of an XM pellet from 22 to 24 and that was enough to completely destroy the meta. Everyone was using either snipers or XM

[reprodukTOOOOOOOOOOOR]

SHOTGUNS HAVE PELLETES, YOU NEED TO AIM LOWER THAN HEAD DIRECTLY, NECK OR UPPER TORSO, SOME PELLETS HIT CHEST, SOME ARMS, SOME LEGS, SOME HEAD, THATS WHEN YOU GET ONE SHOT KILLS, AND IF IT REGISTERS AS HEADSHOT, THAT DEPENDS ON ANGLE AND WHICH PELLETS HIT LAST, MY WORD IS HOLY

AND WHY DONT YOU SWITCH TO PISTOL FOR THE GUY ACCROSS YOU NEAR THE CONTAINER ?!