No excuses not to HWID ban

[Gravity]

I am completely in favor for HWID bans. People keep making the excuses that Valve can't HWID ban people because of internet cafes or other dumb reasons. There are so many tools that Windows already has native to the operating system that prevent people from downloading and installing software. There are Internet Filters, There are OU settings, You can disable Downloads in Group Policy for non-administrator users, There is software that was made to prevent people from doing these things (NetNanny).

The excuse that it would ban computers in an internet cafe or library is so stupid and Valve really should implement a HWID banning or SSD/HDD serial banning system so the game isnt filled with cheaters and it would be much more effective than VacNet.

Obviously people will also say that you can bypass an HWID ban and thats completely true. However, using such software can also get you banned so the chances of you getting banned double when you run an HWID spoofer alongside a cheat.

[Jelly Donut]

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Messaggio originale di topper:

so when someone is at.... let's say your house... and they have cheats, should your router get hwid banned effectively black listing your entire home?

how about a college campus where people are allowed to use their own hardware on the network?

why stop at hwid bans...

seriously, if you want to completely stop cheating, and you don't care if a 'few' innocent people get blacklisted in the name of 'a fair game'... you really should be demanding that Valve do ISP bans.

If ANYONE on xfinity, or Comcast gets caught cheating, the entire ISP is banned from the game, and it applies with every ISP in the world.

The entire cheating problem will be fixed in less than 4 hours because the entire planet will be VAC banned.

Congrats, your scorched Earth policy just cleaned up the game!

Clearly you don't under stand how HWID bans work. This thread has nothing to do with routers or IP bans.

Also buying an HWID banned PC online? What are the statistics on that?

Whatever he is talking about is relevant. A router or internet device also has a hardware ID.

Plus, you're selfish saying that Valve should do an ISP Wide ban; you don't think about any other innocent players. Because, I can bet you, there is no ISP in the world that has a perfect conduct status, just like how many people watch porno even though it's banned in their country.

You're asking for peace on Earth and that's never going to happen.

[Gravity]

Messaggio originale di Glass | Trading:

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Clearly you don't under stand how HWID bans work. This thread has nothing to do with routers or IP bans.

Also buying an HWID banned PC online? What are the statistics on that?

The chance is enough. How furious would you be to after using 1k on a PC just to realize you cant play certain steam games?

I really don't think the chance is high at all. More than likely less than 1% surely.

[Gravity]

Messaggio originale di Anakin Dankwalker:

brb time to load up my HWID spoofer

People use them to cheat in many games like that go the HWID ban route. Its not uncommon at all.

[Gravity]

Messaggio originale di Vanilla Noodle:

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Clearly you don't under stand how HWID bans work. This thread has nothing to do with routers or IP bans.

Also buying an HWID banned PC online? What are the statistics on that?

Whatever he is talking about is relevant. A router or internet device also has a hardware ID.

Plus, you're selfish saying that Valve should do an ISP Wide ban; you don't think about any other innocent players. Because, I can bet you, there is no ISP in the world that has a perfect conduct status, just like how many people watch porno even though it's banned in their country.

You're asking for peace on Earth and that's never going to happen.

Completely agree ISP ban is stupid and ges a troll.

[Jim Thirwell]

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Messaggio originale di Glass | Trading:

The chance is enough. How furious would you be to after using 1k on a PC just to realize you cant play certain steam games?

I really don't think the chance is high at all. More than likely less than 1% surely.

So just too bad for those people?

[Gravity]

Messaggio originale di Jim Thirwell:

This subject has been done to death before.
Won't be done as there are ways around it and too many pitfalls.

What are the pitfalls? An undetected HWID spoofer isn't ever free. It's something you have to buy just like an undetected cheat.

You know what has a LOT of ways around it? Account bans. What happens when a cheater is banned in CS:GO? They make a new account.

[topper]

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Clearly you don't under stand how HWID bans work. This thread has nothing to do with routers or IP bans.

Also buying an HWID banned PC online? What are the statistics on that?

Actually I do understand how they work... and anyone that doesn't can browse a few thousand videos on YouTube in a variety of languages explaining how to do it in just s couple minutes.

Which hardware did you want to target for the ban? why not the router since you seem to be against it?

what about family's that share the computer?

don't even have to get into the entire re-sell market argument to point out the fact that your idea will have thousands of people blacklisted that did nothing wrong... and if you're in favor of banning a couple people that did nothing... you might as well go full tilt and go with the ultimate hardware ban, ISP's.

as mentioned before, you obviously want to cheating stopped, and you don't care if innocent people get banned... isp bans will stop the cheating completely in about 4 hours (maybe faster) globally.

I see no difference at all between hwid bans and ISP bans, they both victimize people who did nothing wrong, and only a fool would support your idea.

[Recon]

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Messaggio originale di Jim Thirwell:

This subject has been done to death before.
Won't be done as there are ways around it and too many pitfalls.

What are the pitfalls?

innocent people getting banned is the main problem

[topper]

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

I really don't think the chance is high at all. More than likely less than 1% surely.

... and if you're in that 1% I'm sure you'll say: "This is fair" right?

[Jelly Donut]

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

Messaggio originale di Jim Thirwell:

This subject has been done to death before.
Won't be done as there are ways around it and too many pitfalls.

What are the pitfalls? An undetected HWID spoofer isn't ever free. It's something you have to buy just like an undetected cheat.

You know what has a LOT of ways around it? Account bans. What happens when a cheater is banned in CS:GO? They make a new account.

And you cannot stop that, because it's called the nature of Internet and Computers.

There is nothing you can do if the user decides to make a new account and a hardware ban is not going to stop cheaters from developing new cheats or ways to go around it.

[Legenda♡]

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[Gravity]

Messaggio originale di Jim Thirwell:

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

I really don't think the chance is high at all. More than likely less than 1% surely.

So just too bad for those people?

Actually the unfortunate answer is yes. For the greater good of the community the better option would be to keep potential cheaters out of the game. People keep saying there are too many pitfalls and ways around an HWID or serial ban but there really isn't and Overwatch has been great at keeping cheaters away with HWID bans. In fact, Rainbow Six: Siege has done very well because they ban drive serials.

[Tronkkeli]

you can get ssd and hdd relatively cheaply.. so that wont keep cheaters out long..

Kind of sad that csgo does not have hwid bans since lot of other games do have.. like fortnite, Apex etc.. but nope valve just wants to keep user base numbers high that is main reason why they don´t want to start issue hwid..



Sure go ahead.. say "you can spoof your hwid".

Well same time anticheat could prevent players using hwid spoofers with VAC type software. soon as user has spoofer on game just would not let player to connect lobby and give warning about spoofer.. after few (2 or 3) warnings = vac ban for unauthorized program.



Sure go ahead say "but if banned person sells his gear.." too bad. noone cares.

If you wish to play cs dont play with used parts.
Anti-cheat could show warning right away that user has hwid banned parts in his system and if he ignores warning he gets vacced when joining vac secured servers..
Or hwid ban could be few months if user gets another hwid ban it would be permanent. long as that part is swapped to another system..
Theres bunch of hwids in pc so it is not impossible to do that..



Sure go ahead say "If player gets banned cheating in cafe.."

Like op said theres bunch of programs to monitor your activity in internet and pc..
If player gets hwid ban cafe could force him to buy new parts or in worst case new similar specs pc.. if player wont do that he could get sued.. you know cafes can changed their terms of service easily..

hwid could be also tied to user IP to make hwid like few months and not permanent..

and like one game long long time ago when you got banned for cheating by anticheat.. only way to get rid of hwid was paying penalty.. dont ask i dont remember this game name but i know this cause i got banned in that game for cheating.. it was like way before steam got released..

[Gravity]

Messaggio originale di Potatoes and Chicken:

Messaggio originale di eryknowiak:

What are the pitfalls? An undetected HWID spoofer isn't ever free. It's something you have to buy just like an undetected cheat.

You know what has a LOT of ways around it? Account bans. What happens when a cheater is banned in CS:GO? They make a new account.

And you cannot stop that, because it's called the nature of Internet and Computers.

There is nothing you can do if the user decides to make a new account and a hardware ban is not going to stop cheaters from developing new cheats or ways to go around it.

They effort isn't to stop cheaters its do deter the other 99%. HWID bans and Drive serial bans have worked very, very, well for other games.

[Leonardo Da Pinchi]

Lesser of two evils fallacy, got it. Regardless, HWID bans would just resort to more inventive workarounds. HWID bans have been suggested for over a decade (maybe two) for various games, and there's reasons why they're not implemented.