How is SG and AUG balanced in the current "meta" ?

[✪ K r i s]

I mean, how High and disgustingly stupid were the ppl buffing these guns for competitive? Lowering the recoil just made CSGO go into COD mode.. It's embarassing to watch rlly. You used to practice hours and hours to get your spray under control on the main guns in this game. Ok the game needed some new action and setup for new strats on both sides, but this?? Resign yourselfs for christs sake.

[Valerie]

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Not even 5% use the SG. Most teams still have 5 ak player. I explained the reason above.

I was watching Fl0m and he is watching pro teams play, and they had a good mix between rifles.

I've been without internet for almost 2 months and just recently got back. When I left they really weren't using them much. Now I'm seeing it used MUCH more.

[RaimaNd]

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This thread is just a typical cry thread we've since CSGO. Back in 1.6 people didn't cry. They played the game as it was. But now in CSGO all these young and unexperienced player have to cry about everything while every skilled player including the pros don't cry about it. You young and unexperienced player think the game is balanced so it fits for your skill level which is wrong. CS was always THE fps game where the highest skillcap existed. The price change makes 2 weapons viable and it depends on the playstyle and situation which one is better.

Still. The AK is the favorite of all pros. Most people then prefer the Aug even above the SG while the SG is always a oneshot headshot but it has a very bad burst and spray control. Many even prefer the M4 before the SG so what's your point here? Just because they've scopes they are "CoD Noobweapons"? These weapons exist since 1999. CoD exist since 2003 so how can this be a CoD weapon?

Also learning the spraycontrol of more weapons means gathering additional skill. You need to learn all weapons not just your favorite in case you pick such a weapon up. So again: Where is it a bad thing?

I'm looking forward in a Galil buff (better recoil) and a price reduction for the Galil and Famas so it's a more viable option for force rounds and even buy rounds too like it was in 1.6. SMG's are too strong so nearly no one plays with the galil/famas. They're in a greyzone, too expensive for "SMG rounds" and too weak for "rifle rounds".
Not even 5% use the SG. Most teams still have 5 ak player. I explained the reason above.

Surely for the Famas and Galil to be more viable for force buys they would really need a price reduction aswell and even if they are made better 2-2.2k really is too much for most force buys.

Exactly my thought. You barely see those weapons for a reason (greyzone).

[p0mpous]

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Not even 5% use the SG. Most teams still have 5 ak player. I explained the reason above.

I was watching Fl0m and he is watching pro teams play, and they had a good mix between rifles.

I've been without internet for almost 2 months and just recently got back. When I left they really weren't using them much. Now I'm seeing it used MUCH more.

The SG although effective is hardly used, i think its because people love the AK and have used it so much, the AUG is being adopted pretty quickly and i think thats for one simple reason the M4 kinda sucks, lets be honest people use the M4 because its the CT side option most people i talk to dont like it.

The AUG also has no real catch, you dont have to learn a spray pattern that is alien to you, its the same shape with a few variations but its very easy to learn.

[Valerie]

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I was watching Fl0m and he is watching pro teams play, and they had a good mix between rifles.

I've been without internet for almost 2 months and just recently got back. When I left they really weren't using them much. Now I'm seeing it used MUCH more.

The SG although effective is hardly used, i think its because people love he AK the AUG is being adopted very quickly and i think thats for one simple reason the M4 kinda sucks, lets be honest people use the M4 because its the CT side option most people i talk to dont like it including me.

I've been using both to be honest, but I miss old M4A1-S.

[p0mpous]

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The SG although effective is hardly used, i think its because people love he AK the AUG is being adopted very quickly and i think thats for one simple reason the M4 kinda sucks, lets be honest people use the M4 because its the CT side option most people i talk to dont like it including me.

I've been using both to be honest, but I miss old M4A1-S. :cry:

Yeah i wish that gun was awesome again, i hate the A4, it sounds ♥♥♥♥, looks ♥♥♥♥, i love the M4A1-S but i just get annoyed when i use it.

[RaimaNd]

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I was watching Fl0m and he is watching pro teams play, and they had a good mix between rifles.

I've been without internet for almost 2 months and just recently got back. When I left they really weren't using them much. Now I'm seeing it used MUCH more.

The SG although effective is hardly used, i think its because people love the AK and have used it so much, the AUG is being adopted pretty quickly and i think thats for one simple reason the M4 kinda sucks, lets be honest people use the M4 because its the CT side option most people i talk to dont like it.

The main reason why people player with the AUG instead of the M4 is the oneshot potential and scope + the very same spray pattern.
The main reason why people don't play with the SG is the horrible different spray pattern. It feels completely wrong bursting and spraying with the SG since it's completely different than all other rifles.

[RaimaNd]

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The SG although effective is hardly used, i think its because people love he AK the AUG is being adopted very quickly and i think thats for one simple reason the M4 kinda sucks, lets be honest people use the M4 because its the CT side option most people i talk to dont like it including me.

I've been using both to be honest, but I miss old M4A1-S. :cry:

I still use the M4-S quite often depending on the map and position. For example I play mirage mid most of the time and you simply have advantages when playing with the silenced m4 and take advantage of the smokes. There are plenty of one way smokes and plays you can do.

[p0mpous]

30 rounds and a fire rate of 633rpm instead of 600 and i think it would be on par with the A4.

I would be worse at close range better at long range and similar at medium range.

[Yo]

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This thread is just a typical cry thread we've since CSGO. Back in 1.6 people didn't cry. They played the game as it was. But now in CSGO all these young and unexperienced player have to cry about everything while every skilled player including the pros don't cry about it. You young and unexperienced player think the game is balanced so it fits for your skill level which is wrong. CS was always THE fps game where the highest skillcap existed. The price change makes 2 weapons viable and it depends on the playstyle and situation which one is better.

Still. The AK is the favorite of all pros. Most people then prefer the Aug even above the SG while the SG is always a oneshot headshot but it has a very bad burst and spray control. Many even prefer the M4 before the SG so what's your point here? Just because they've scopes they are "CoD Noobweapons"? These weapons exist since 1999. CoD exist since 2003 so how can this be a CoD weapon?

Also learning the spraycontrol of more weapons means gathering additional skill. You need to learn all weapons not just your favorite in case you pick such a weapon up. So again: Where is it a bad thing?

I'm looking forward in a Galil buff (better recoil) and a price reduction for the Galil and Famas so it's a more viable option for force rounds and even buy rounds too like it was in 1.6. SMG's are too strong so nearly no one plays with the galil/famas. They're in a greyzone, too expensive for "SMG rounds" and too weak for "rifle rounds".
Not even 5% use the SG. Most teams still have 5 ak player. I explained the reason above.

Surely for the Famas and Galil to be more viable for force buys they would really need a price reduction aswell and even if they are made better 2-2.2k really is too much for most force buys.

The other issue is SMG's are very good for very little like the UMP, even though it was nerfed for 1200 its insanely easy to use and effective and its only 1200 it makes the Famas look a little pointless in a lot of cases.

Famas has better range. UMP sucks at mid and long range. It's not poinless. It's used more than UMP on pro scene which is force buy weapon when famas used as full buy weapons when you can't afford the m4 with nades.

[p0mpous]

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Surely for the Famas and Galil to be more viable for force buys they would really need a price reduction aswell and even if they are made better 2-2.2k really is too much for most force buys.

The other issue is SMG's are very good for very little like the UMP, even though it was nerfed for 1200 its insanely easy to use and effective and its only 1200 it makes the Famas look a little pointless in a lot of cases.

Famas has better range. UMP sucks at mid and long range. It's not poinless. It's used more than UMP on pro scene which is force buy weapon when famas used as full buy weapons when you can't afford the m4 with nades.

But that situation is so niche it would be good for them to be more of an option.

[Yo]

When they decide to play aggressive they buy m4 and when just sit back and defend they buy aug. Nobody buy SG its still useless. I have watched all the major games so far and not seen a single sg.

[RaimaNd]

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Surely for the Famas and Galil to be more viable for force buys they would really need a price reduction aswell and even if they are made better 2-2.2k really is too much for most force buys.

The other issue is SMG's are very good for very little like the UMP, even though it was nerfed for 1200 its insanely easy to use and effective and its only 1200 it makes the Famas look a little pointless in a lot of cases.

Famas has better range. UMP sucks at mid and long range. It's not poinless. It's used more than UMP on pro scene which is force buy weapon when famas used as full buy weapons when you can't afford the m4 with nades.

The famas is stronger than the galil. People usually prefer a mac-10 more than the galil.
Other people prefer an mp9 or ump than a famas on CT side. Of course depending on the money- and round situation. But a mac-10 or mp9 on forced close range is stronger than famas or galil on more ranges.

[p0mpous]

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When they will decide to play aggressive they buy m4 and when just sit back and defend they buy aug. Nobody buy SG its still useless. I have watched all the major games so far and not seen a single sg.

Theres been about 6-7 bought.

[RaimaNd]

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When they will decide to play aggressive they buy m4 and when just sit back and defend they buy aug. Nobody buy SG its still useless. I have watched all the major games so far and not seen a single sg.

I saw 1 or 2 people with the sg.

[Yo]

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Famas has better range. UMP sucks at mid and long range. It's not poinless. It's used more than UMP on pro scene which is force buy weapon when famas used as full buy weapons when you can't afford the m4 with nades.

The famas is stronger than the galil. People usually prefer a mac-10 more than the galil.
Other people prefer an mp9 or ump and more than a famas on CT side. Of course depending on the money- and round situation. But a mac-10 or mp9 on forced close range is stronger than famas or galil on more ranges.

They are viable in both long and short range and smgs are only viable in short range. So if you wanna play safe you buy famas. I have seen lots of famas and galil used today in major games but nobody bought ump on full buy. Mostly force buy. If money is not good for m4 + nades = famas and if money is not good for famas + nades = smgs.