Stream Sniping, Ghosting. The Problems.

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To all streamers who love to stream for gaming, I salute you and thank you for actively being open to your gaming environment for being devoted to gaming.

Unfortunately I need to raise the issues and the awareness of why Stream Sniping (also known as Ghosting) is a huge problem in gaming.

Q: What is Stream Sniping/Ghosting?
It means a player is watching a player broadcasting their game to gain unfair advantage. Effectively it's cheating without any 3rd party software installed to get banned by VAC.

Q: Why is Stream Sniping a Problem?
It means a player is broadcasting their game for entertainment which people find it amusing and/or would like to see how well a player plays their game for authenticity. You have a producer which is the streamer player and you have viewers the people watching your stream.

While this is great for the gaming community that they would like to see streamers play legitimately it can cause problems with the viewers and not necessarily the broadcaster.

The people who view you broadcast they maybe lobbying with you as the enemy team, in CSGO you do not get to decide who will be in the lobby in a game you joined its random.

Sometimes the viewer who is attempting to hijack your stream knows you are joining a competitive game so they will find anyone who has a profile that is connected to a streaming service to get lobbied to a streamer in exchange to get valuable information towards the broadcaster.

This is reffering to Lobby Hijacking is to attempt to deliberately queue with the same players every single game in competitive gaming no matter what the streamer/broadcaster does to get lobbied with random players, unfortunately they may come at a stage they will get lobbied with the same players 10 games in a row.

While this could be daunting and lame facing the same people over and over again, you begin to wonder how on earth could this happen? Are they just watching you just to have a good game or is there something more to it that we streamers are not aware of.

Q; What is causing you as a streamer to get lobbied with the same people every single game? You Wonder.

It could be a number of factors, region, time of day, player count, all of those things could contribute to the problem.

There was a period that I got lobbied with the same players 3-4 games in a row and every game I have played against them we lose badly every single time.

It wasn't just one day it happened it has happened a number of times, then I wonder is my streaming service been hijacked?

It turns out it has and I can tell you how painful it is to become a streamer not realizing until now that you have been hijacked and you have been losing a lot of games badly in a row.

It makes you wonder, I don't think I want to stream games ever again for the fear of getting hijacked and ruining your experience and others.

Q: What can be done about it ?

A few things:
- Add a delay to it.

I added 30 seconds to my stream i didnt make a difference they still know where i was despite the delays i've set so i increased it it didnt make a difference. So i have given up adding a delay.

Can stream delays be hijacked? so you can remove the delays from a live stream? If so what are the consequences of that?

I am beginning to wonder that streaming in-game is a complete waste of time for me if i am not happy noone is happy either.

So post your thoughts about it.

[RaimaNd]

30 seconds isn't enough. I know, you want to interact with your community, but 1,5-2 minutes is must have if you play competitive.
When you play FPL/Rank S etc. there is a gentlemans agreement that no one is streamsniping since half of the player there are streamer themself.

Never heard of hijacked streams btw.

[biti nista i budeti :)]

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? Streamers often crying because of stream sniping and losing because of it, so what? Solution: don't stream. People are not forced to stream and show the people their gameplay while some people use it as an advantage. Simply don't stream.

[.P]

Originally posted by use shift moron:

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? Streamers often crying because of stream sniping and losing because of it, so what? Solution: don't stream. People are not forced to stream and show the people their gameplay while some people use it as an advantage. Simply don't stream.

+1 Lots of innocent people got banned on pubg because streamers cried that they got stream sniped

[biti nista i budeti :)]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Originally posted by use shift moron:

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? Streamers often crying because of stream sniping and losing because of it, so what? Solution: don't stream. People are not forced to stream and show the people their gameplay while some people use it as an advantage. Simply don't stream.

What if you don't stream and you get called a hacker every single time? There goes your Trust Factor going down.

It won't go down as I'm not a hacker. And what does hacking has to do with this? Should we all stream then so we prove people we are not hackers?

[biti nista i budeti :)]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

If you get reported a lot, then yes you should.

I don't give a single ♥♥♥♥ about reports as long as I'm not griefing. People would Overwatch me and see that I'm not one of these cheating ♥♥♥♥♥.

[RaimaNd]

Originally posted by .P:

Originally posted by use shift moron:

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? Streamers often crying because of stream sniping and losing because of it, so what? Solution: don't stream. People are not forced to stream and show the people their gameplay while some people use it as an advantage. Simply don't stream.

+1 Lots of innocent people got banned on pubg because streamers cried that they got stream sniped

And when you stream snipe, know where an enemy is and kill him then people ban you. Not for stream sniping but for walling because overwatcher / admins can't see the difference all the time and it also doesn't matter if there's a difference. Stream sniping is a form of cheating.

[biti nista i budeti :)]

Originally posted by RaimaNd:

Originally posted by .P:

+1 Lots of innocent people got banned on pubg because streamers cried that they got stream sniped

And when you stream snipe, know where an enemy is and kill him then people ban you. Not for stream sniping but for walling because overwatcher / admins can't see the difference all the time and it also doesn't matter if there's a difference. Stream sniping is a form of cheating.

I never sniper nor I will ever do it. So I don't care. It is streamers fault for showing up their gameplay publicly on stream and then later crying because of it.

[RaimaNd]

Originally posted by use shift moron:

Originally posted by RaimaNd:

And when you stream snipe, know where an enemy is and kill him then people ban you. Not for stream sniping but for walling because overwatcher / admins can't see the difference all the time and it also doesn't matter if there's a difference. Stream sniping is a form of cheating.

I never sniper nor I will ever do it. So I don't care. It is streamers fault for showing up their gameplay publicly on stream and then later crying because of it.

This is wrong. It's not their fault. Stream sniping is bannable for a good reason.

[NIKFS]

yeah, we someday had some dumbass posting his twitch link in all chat in warmup, we proceeded to kick him after we checked that he was indeed streaming and without any delay.... no brain i guess to tell that to the enemy

[biti nista i budeti :)]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Which to me streaming is more important to people more than ever. Sure people find this to be invasive and invasion to privacy. If something happens we need evidence to prove our innocence.

If we were not allowed to stream in anyway, how do we know for sure if people you play are actually cheating or not? People do stream to ensure they are not cheating and they would like a fair game. What is the issue with that? or do people see that to be a problem that we don't regard privacy as a thing?

People are streaming because of fame and money, not to prove they are not cheating, lol. Report anyone suspicious, let the Overwatch decide and continue with your life. Problem solved.

[NIKFS]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Originally posted by use shift moron:

People are streaming because of fame and money, not to prove they are not cheating, lol. Report anyone suspicious, let the Overwatch decide and continue with your life. Problem solved.

Even if you stream, you can still get reported. So what difference does that make?

thats literally what he said...

[NIKFS]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Originally posted by RaimaNd:

This is wrong. It's not their fault. Stream sniping is bannable for a good reason.

Unfortunately this is something Valve cannot just simply enforce it without researching what the issues are with Stream Sniping. They have a view and a fair idea of what it is.

We would like to hear from them what can be done about it.

actually valve does somewhat enforce something against it, ingame streams over hltv are delayed by a round or 2 if i am not mistaken

[tactically malicious]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Originally posted by use shift moron:

Who gives a ♥♥♥♥? Streamers often crying because of stream sniping and losing because of it, so what? Solution: don't stream. People are not forced to stream and show the people their gameplay while some people use it as an advantage. Simply don't stream.

What if you don't stream and you get called a hacker every single time? There goes your Trust Factor going down.

False reports don’t lower your tust factor

If yours is low it’s from Somthing you are doing

[tactically malicious]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Originally posted by RaimaNd:

This is wrong. It's not their fault. Stream sniping is bannable for a good reason.

Unfortunately this is something Valve cannot just simply enforce it without researching what the issues are with Stream Sniping. They have a view and a fair idea of what it is.

We would like to hear from them what can be done about it.

The solution is if it upsets you don’t stream
The last thing the world needs is more steamers

[RaimaNd]

Originally posted by Zerotech : youtube/zerotech80:

Originally posted by RaimaNd:

This is wrong. It's not their fault. Stream sniping is bannable for a good reason.

Unfortunately this is something Valve cannot just simply enforce it without researching what the issues are with Stream Sniping. They have a view and a fair idea of what it is.

We would like to hear from them what can be done about it.

We've overwatch, people stream sniping most likely look like waller like in this case:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHTXDQJIzic

He got banned for that.

And we've gentlemans agreement on most third party websites so people don't stream snipe because they've honor and sportsmanship. And when not? Watch the video again.