REMOVE OR NERF AUG/SG

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When im doing good with the m4a4 and ak and controlling the spray. People use the aug or sg and than miss all there shots and hit me with a head shot bam im dead. Please nerf this gun or remove it. it ruins the concept and makes new players like me mad. Im proably going to stay in silver because of this weapon. I dont enjoy it but i do really good with it but it requires no skill which annoys me. It has no spray control. But if you do hold it down it does have some spray control. but ive seen new players like me easily figure that out unlike with other guns. Please understand is i want it to be nerfed a little so it takes some skill

[✗αία (casual)]

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

引用自 ✗αία：

Don't you see you're still quoting stats instead of actual practicality?

But stats are what effects it in practical use.

Weve now seen pros use them and they are very effective in all roles and clearly better than the M4 and AK.

See, that's where your silver mentality kicks in again.

Weapon stats only matter so much. Situations and strategy and teamwork matters so much more than just pure stats and aim.

The entirety of faze clan has much, much better aim than Astralis but can't stop their well-executed site take even with statistically better weapons as you say.

There are so many things that happens before your aim and weapon damage stats actually makes a difference and M4/AK advantages actually help with that

[p0mpous]

引用自 ✗αία：

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

But stats are what effects it in practical use.

Weve now seen pros use them and they are very effective in all roles and clearly better than the M4 and AK.

See, that's where your silver mentality kicks in again.

Weapon stats only matter so much. Situations and strategy and teamwork matters so much more than just pure stats and aim.

The entirety of faze clan has much, much better aim than Astralis but can't stop their well-executed site take even with statistically better weapons as you say.

There are so many things that happens before your aim and weapon damage stats actually makes a difference and M4/AK advantages actually help with that

Im not a Silver, the last time i was Silver was a year ago when i came back to playing the game for the first time in about 18 months.

"Weapon stats only matter so much. Situations and strategy and teamwork matters so much more than just pure stats and aim" we are strictly talking about weapon vs weapon, the AK doesnt help your strategy, its a gun a tool to be used, the SG just happens to be a more accurate tool with more firepower.

You aregument still has no base in reality.

The AK and M4 dont have any real advantages, 3% move speed is so small that its not relevant as weve seen plenty of entry frags with the AUG and SG since the price was lowered.

[NIKFS]

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

引用自 ✗αία：

See, that's where your silver mentality kicks in again.

Weapon stats only matter so much. Situations and strategy and teamwork matters so much more than just pure stats and aim.

The entirety of faze clan has much, much better aim than Astralis but can't stop their well-executed site take even with statistically better weapons as you say.

There are so many things that happens before your aim and weapon damage stats actually makes a difference and M4/AK advantages actually help with that

Im not a Silver, the last time i was Silver was a year ago when i came back to playing the game for the first time in about 18 months.

"Weapon stats only matter so much. Situations and strategy and teamwork matters so much more than just pure stats and aim" we are strictly talking about weapon vs weapon, the AK doesnt help your strategy, its a gun a tool to be used, the SG just happens to be a more accurate tool with more firepower.

You aregument still has no base in reality.

except it has

look at reality for an easier example, take 2 good soldiers who are good at what theyre doing, let one of them have a weapon he used all his life as a soldier and the other one gets something new that he hasnt used much yet but that is arguably superior

the one who uses what he used so far will probably score better, even if his tool is statistically inferior simply because he has experience in using it




same goes for ak/sg here, yes the sg has better stats, but people have learned the ak recoil way more and thus will hit more with it, nothing saying against learning the sg but at least for now people wont be that much better with it

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引用自 NIK_F_S：

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

Im not a Silver, the last time i was Silver was a year ago when i came back to playing the game for the first time in about 18 months.

"Weapon stats only matter so much. Situations and strategy and teamwork matters so much more than just pure stats and aim" we are strictly talking about weapon vs weapon, the AK doesnt help your strategy, its a gun a tool to be used, the SG just happens to be a more accurate tool with more firepower.

You aregument still has no base in reality.

except it has

look at reality for an easier example, take 2 good soldiers who are good at what theyre doing, let one of them have a weapon he used all his life as a soldier and the other one gets something new that he hasnt used much yet but that is arguably superior

the one who uses what he used so far will probably score better, even if his tool is statistically inferior simply because he has experience in using it




same goes for ak/sg here, yes the sg has better stats, but people have learned the ak recoil way more and thus will hit more with it, nothing saying against learning the sg but at least for now people wont be that much better with it

But once people get used to them and people are getting used to them they will be more effective, Liquid looked awesome recently.

Thats a user issue not the weapon.

[✗αία (casual)]

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

You aregument still has no base in reality.

You're contradicting yourself so hard, it hurts. I see why RaimaNd gave up arguing with you.

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引用自 ✗αία：

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

You aregument still has no base in reality.

You're contradicting yourself so hard, it hurts. I see why RaimaNd gave up arguing with you.

Raimand doesnt really understand anything past CS1.6, his argument was based on the 3% movement speed, that doesnt outweigh 22.5% more armor pen, 11% higher fire rate and much more accuracy.

You reference tactics, the SG and the AUG actually open up more tactics to you due to them being more versatile and more realiable at range aswell as killing faster at close range, the only time the M4 or AK help is when the other team has no armor, again you have no argument.

Again you have come up with no reasons for why the AK or M4 are better in any scenario.

[NIKFS]

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

引用自 NIK_F_S：

except it has

look at reality for an easier example, take 2 good soldiers who are good at what theyre doing, let one of them have a weapon he used all his life as a soldier and the other one gets something new that he hasnt used much yet but that is arguably superior

the one who uses what he used so far will probably score better, even if his tool is statistically inferior simply because he has experience in using it




same goes for ak/sg here, yes the sg has better stats, but people have learned the ak recoil way more and thus will hit more with it, nothing saying against learning the sg but at least for now people wont be that much better with it

But once people get used to them and people are getting used to them they will be more effective, Liquid looked awesome recently.

Thats a user issue not the weapon.

once people do, sure, but it will take time and will lead to a situation where some are better with one, some with the other

the issue?

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引用自 NIK_F_S：

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

But once people get used to them and people are getting used to them they will be more effective, Liquid looked awesome recently.

Thats a user issue not the weapon.

once people do, sure, but it will take time and will lead to a situation where some are better with one, some with the other

the issue?

None at all, its jsut these morons trying to say the AK and M4 are some how better as weapons when that clearly isnt the case in any way.

A gun that is less accurate and has lower DPS is not better, especially when how you use them is so similar.

[NIKFS]

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

引用自 NIK_F_S：

once people do, sure, but it will take time and will lead to a situation where some are better with one, some with the other

the issue?

None at all, its jsut these morons trying to say the AK and M4 are some how better as weapons when that clearly isnt the case in any way.

A gun that is less accurate and has lower DPS is not better.

the ak and m4 are "the better choice" for alot of people because of what you called a "user issue"

the better weapon? no, the better weapon to choose? yes, unless you learned the sg/aug recoil as much as the ak/m4

[p0mpous]

引用自 NIK_F_S：

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

None at all, its jsut these morons trying to say the AK and M4 are some how better as weapons when that clearly isnt the case in any way.

A gun that is less accurate and has lower DPS is not better.

the ak and m4 are "the better choice" for alot of people because of what you called a "user issue"

the better weapon? no, the better weapon to choose? yes, unless you learned the sg/aug recoil as much as the ak/m4

As i said before i dont care what you use, but trying to justify what you use as the best with some BS mental gymnastics like these people are doing is just dishonest.

I use the AK and M4A4 mostly but im not going around with pure ignorance saying they are better, they arent and even world class players agree, like top 20 in the world.

[NIKFS]

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

引用自 NIK_F_S：

the ak and m4 are "the better choice" for alot of people because of what you called a "user issue"

the better weapon? no, the better weapon to choose? yes, unless you learned the sg/aug recoil as much as the ak/m4

As i said before i dont care what you use, but trying to justify what you use as the best with some BS mental gymnastics like these people are doing is just dishonest.

I use the AK and M4A4 mostly but im going around with pure ignorance saying they are better, they arent and even world class players agree, like top 20 in the world.

its less mental gymnastics and more semantics

"better" can mean alot of things, statistically better? sg/aug; better choice for a given situation? possibly either

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引用自 NIK_F_S：

引用自 Sir Det Mist：

As i said before i dont care what you use, but trying to justify what you use as the best with some BS mental gymnastics like these people are doing is just dishonest.

I use the AK and M4A4 mostly but im going around with pure ignorance saying they are better, they arent and even world class players agree, like top 20 in the world.

its less mental gymnastics and more semantics

"better" can mean alot of things, statistically better? sg/aug; better choice for a given situation? possibly either

Whatever you want to call it its BS.

[Jericho]

"Remove the weapon from the game." Well that wouldn't be very fair to people with skins.

I don't agree about the AUG. The AUG is fine. The SG553 on the other hand was already balanced and for some reason they buffed it to the point where it's better than the AKM which is really stupid because they've essentially ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ destroyed the meta with no real purpose other than to ♥♥♥♥ around and see how it works out. The SG553 gets over used now and it's a pain in the ass going up against SG all the time.

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引用自 Stone Killer：

"Remove the weapon from the game." Well that wouldn't be very fair to people with skins.

I don't agree about the AUG. The AUG is fine. The SG553 on the other hand was already balanced and for some reason they buffed it to the point where it's better than the AKM which is really stupid because they've essentially ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ destroyed the meta with no real purpose other than to ♥♥♥♥ around and see how it works out. The SG553 gets over used now and it's a pain in the ass going up against SG all the time.

They didnt buff it, they lowered the price.

[TrueEvil]

引用自 ✗αία：

Idk.. If you guys want to bench-csgo, meaning talking about damage numbers, price-economy advantage, armor penetration etc.. It really isn't practical.

Hop in-game. Find a player that is almost your own level in aim and skills like movement, crosshair placement, etc. There is a slight disadvantage for these scoped rifles in most of the firefights occurring in the game than their stats allow.

Ask yourself these:
How often do you get into long range fights with these rifles? Good opponents will definitely have countermeasures to them. Nades, double peeks, flashes, sneak, idk what else. Granted, scoped rifles are AMAZING at holding angles which is a major plus for CTs due to their economic disadvantage. But is T always gonna be rush B bly@t? I yes, you deserve staying in silver.

How long does it take you to scope? In a long range firefight, of course the scoped weapon has an advantage. But say both players turn the corners at the same time and see each other at the same time and have the same reaction time. Would you scope in to overcome the 1st bullet accuracy of the AK/M4? By the time you scope in, the bullet is already on the way to your head if it hasn't hit you already. And don't forget, scoping is LOUD. You can't sneaky beaky like and scope everywhere and think they won't hear you coming. You're already putting yourself at a disadvantage by not using scope.

Close range firefights, which rifles are more controllable? Realistically, SG/AUG spray is horrendous non-scoped. AK/M4 is so much more controllable in close range spray. Add in to that recoil recovery times, movement speeds. Scoped rifles are at a disadvantage in close combat.

There are other questions to answer if you think SG/AUG are significantly better than AK/M4 but I'm kinda blur at the moment so maybe in later discussions I will put them forward.

All in all, I feel that since the drop of the SG/AUG price to 50 more than AK/M4, the major advantages goes to CT using them to hold powerful defensive angles or if you need an AWP but can't afford one without utilities and SSG would be more of a crutch than any good. Same skills head to head, in a team vs team with the same economy, it's better to have only 1 SG/AUG user in the team plus an AWP and the rest use AK/M4.

If you cry about the AUG/SG being overpowered, they are actually not. It's just that the player who kills you with it has invested more time mastering it than you did. So git gud or get rekt. And stay in silver or uninstalll.

I've read most of your counter-arguments to Sir Det Mist after this post, and it's incredibly clear to me that you don't actually understand how to use the SG553 and AUG.

The scope is not required.

The scoped variants still outplay the M4A4 and AK-47 due to their higher accuracy and higher damage on armored opponents. Additionally, the SG553 has a higher rate of fire than the AK-47, so it can easily kill an AK user if they begin firing at the same time.

The reason these weapons are so good is because of the fact that are better than the unscoped variants even discounting the scope. With the scope magnifying your view by 3x, literally halving your recoil, and the AUG becoming more accurate than the AWP, you can easily see that these weapons are multi-functional.

You're disregarding Sir Det Mist simply on the notion that he is "silver". Which is pathetic.