Valve, pls launch an update to insta ban any cheater

[𝓛𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓮]

I was on a winning strike and then cheaters, at some points they don't even bother to come to site, they are chilling in their spawn with their rifle down zoomed and headshot the whole team.
And 2 more cheaters i met today are just walling and aimboting.

[FlintX]

There are many different types of IP my friend, not just network IP. Like his hardware IP.

Hardware IP bans means that a person will no be allowed to play the game ever again in his PC. They only way is either by having mutiple PCs or if they buy a new one. And maybe of course, if some hacker genious have the means to unlock his own IP. I doubt people would be buying entire new PCS a month just for cheating in a single game.

But even if it is only a network IP ban, the person still needs to use softwares and a bunch of other things in order to bypass the IP ban. Yes, there are plenty of ways to mask your true network IP and temporary change you IP andress. But there is a also a fixed IP that cannot be changed for whatsoever by no means.

[Murke]

ur just bad

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Escrito originalmente por FlintX:

There are many different types of IP my friend, not just network IP. Like his hardware IP.

Hardware IP bans means that a person will no be allowed to play the game ever again in his PC. They only way is either by having mutiple PCs or if they buy a new one. And maybe of course, if some hacker genious have the means to unlock his own IP. I doubt people would be buying entire new PCS a month just for cheating in a single game.

But even if it is only a network IP ban, the person still needs to use softwares and a bunch of other things in order to bypass the IP ban. Yes, there are plenty of ways to mask your true network IP and temporary change you IP andress. But there is a also a fixed IP that cannot be changed for whatsoever by no means.

Hardware IP's can also be spoofed. This has been discussed at length, for years. Which is why Valve still doesn't use them.

https://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/search/?q=HARDWARE+BANS

[Nelly]

Escrito originalmente por FlintX:

There are many different types of IP my friend, not just network IP. Like his hardware IP.

Hardware IP bans means .

What is a "hardware internet protocol ban"?

[FlintX]

Escrito originalmente por Nelly:

Escrito originalmente por FlintX:

There are many different types of IP my friend, not just network IP. Like his hardware IP.

Hardware IP bans means .

What is a "hardware internet protocol ban"?

IP andress is your network ID. By hardware IP I meant to say computer ID. But It doesn't matter if I missused the terminology, the point is still the same.

[【๖ۣۜ.#נυѕтƒαмє™】]

Escrito originalmente por Sugar Coffee:

I was on a winning strike and then cheaters, at some points they don't even bother to come to site, they are chilling in their spawn with their rifle down zoomed and headshot the whole team.
And 2 more cheaters i met today are just walling and aimboting.

you cant just chill in the spawn and kill everyone, not even with cheats

[Nelly]

Escrito originalmente por FlintX:

Escrito originalmente por Nelly:

What is a "hardware internet protocol ban"?

IP andress is your network ID. By hardware IP I meant to say computer ID. .

[MAXE]

Escrito originalmente por Sugar Coffee:

Escrito originalmente por Xploding Unicorn:

have you recently checked your match history for banned player? 1/40 would be mad, but i seriously doubt it.
*use the banchecker add on if you are too lazy to go throught them all manually.

I was following some cheaters that got on my nerves in the past and got vac, but my rank didn;t increase back, as i heard from some, my matches are still lost, same with my rank xD

and that is a part of the vac system that needs to be fixed really fast ..

Because the system can set you back if you play with a cheater on your team and win the matchs, but if you lose the match because the enemy team was cheating you wont get your loses back at all .. and that is totally wrong !

1. If you lose to a team that had cheaters, your team should get the win 16 - 0 and max point for it !

2. if you play with a cheater on your team you should get a setback for it, just as it is now !

3. if you have lost any ranks do to cheating, you should have it all back !

4. if you report a cheater and are correct you should get a free item etc: knife, gloves, weapons, armor and so on .. the more successfull the better items drops .. Call the item set for Overwatch rewards or some like that..

that will help clean out the cheaters and make a more happy community with less anoy´d players !

[MAXE]

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Escrito originalmente por Nelly:

What is a "hardware internet protocol ban"?

IP andress is your network ID. By hardware IP I meant to say computer ID. But It doesn't matter if I missused the terminology, the point is still the same.

People who are caught cheating in Apex Legends are getting their hardware banned which means they can't create a new account for Apex and play again.

It's a pretty hardcore ban, but with Apex Legends being the hottest game on the market right now, Respawn need to handle cheaters seriously if they want to keep legit gamers happy.

The ban, apparently, is no longer just on the cheater’s account.

Respawn is reportedly issuing permanent hardware bans, so the cheaters who create new accounts on their PCs are getting banned almost immediately.

The screenshot in the opening post of the aforementioned thread on the Apex Legends sub-Reddit revealed a cheater who has tried nearly everything, including changing the MAC address, reformatting, and partitioning the hard drives of the PC, all to no avail.

There still appears to be a limited number of ways for players who received permanent hardware bans to get back into the game, including buying a whole new PC.

That seems like a pretty bad deal just to play one game, but it goes to show that cheaters never prosper.

Apex Legends players who choose to play the game the correct way, meanwhile, are not sympathetic to the plight of cheaters, even ones that claim that they will no longer use cheating software.

With the permanent hardware bans, Respawn is raising the bar for other developers in addressing the issue of cheating in online multiplayer games.

While Epic Games is notoriously unable to fight against cheating in rival Battle Royale shooter Fortnite, Respawn is making sure that cheaters do not ruin the Apex Legends experience & so should Valve do with CS:GO to get it cheater free again ..

Maybe Valve should hold the world cup major competitions instead together with Esea, ESL, Faceit and more ?

So the whole compettive arena is build into the game engine together with a anticheat system with a build in scanner, this will allso drag more players into the game to play competitive at higher levels, because not all wants to download all kind of anticheat engines here and there, where some of them really ruins some part of your machine, so your cooling and such dont work xD

[The Djinn]

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Escrito originalmente por Sugar Coffee:

I was on a winning strike and then cheaters, at some points they don't even bother to come to site, they are chilling in their spawn with their rifle down zoomed and headshot the whole team.
And 2 more cheaters i met today are just walling and aimboting.

OK....

It should be noted that VAC employs the use of delayed bans in order to disrupt the development process of cheats - a ban imposed today may have been the result of a cheat detected by VAC two weeks previously.

http://steamcommunity.com/discussions/forum/9/882959527688934488/

this is what makes zero sense
ban cheaters instantly keeps them out of the game which is the entire point of anti-cheat faster you kick cheaters the more trusting and fun the game can stay to be

keeping cheaters for 2 weeks is either company are bad coders or shows they cant figure out how to stop it

i rather cheaters get kicked instantly and have valve constantly adjust anti-cheat to keep them out as they just keep making new cheating accounts or valve perma-bans anyone caught cheating from making new accounts or being able to use steam ever again
over seeing if the other team is willing to votekick them from the server which they never do because thats the only way teams can win games anymore with installed hacks or using discord to cheat telling their friends where they are
and wait 2 weeks for vac to catch them before they make a new cheating account

valve is the only company who is the worst when it comes to dealing with convicted cheaters

[EOkoxik]

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[Froggy]

Escrito originalmente por Kamisori:

this is what makes zero sense
ban cheaters instantly keeps them out of the game which is the entire point of anti-cheat faster you kick cheaters the more trusting and fun the game can stay to be

You're thinking short term.
The delay is not to stop people from cheating. It is to delay the development and testing of new cheats.

For example:
Cheat is developed.
Cheat is tested.
Cheat is detected instantly.
Change it up.
Test it again.
Repeat until it isn't detected.

Result: quick to develop and test and then launch product to cheaters that won't get banned.
Or

Cheat is developed.
Cheat is tested.
wait to find out if the cheat is actually detected.
Cheat is detected.
change it up.
Test again.
wait again.
No ban after X amount of time.
Launch cheat.

Result: slow to develop and test and then launch product to cheaters that could still get detected depending on if the cheatdev did a good job or not.

Escrito originalmente por Kamisori:

keeping cheaters for 2 weeks is either company are bad coders or shows they cant figure out how to stop it

Again, they're thinking longterm

Escrito originalmente por Kamisori:

i rather cheaters get kicked instantly and have valve constantly adjust anti-cheat to keep them out as they just keep making new cheating accounts or valve perma-bans anyone caught cheating from making new accounts or being able to use steam ever again

So you'd rather have more cheaters in the game. Alright gotcha.
So the next question is, how do you suggest that they keep people from creating a new account or to be able to use Steam again.

Do you think it is fair to block someones access to Steam completely because they cheated in one game? You do know that CSGO isn't the only game on this platform, right?

Escrito originalmente por Kamisori:

over seeing if the other team is willing to votekick them from the server which they never do because thats the only way teams can win games anymore with installed hacks or using discord to cheat telling their friends where they are
and wait 2 weeks for vac to catch them before they make a new cheating account

valve is the only company who is the worst when it comes to dealing with convicted cheaters

Votekicking cheaters isn't a viable solution if you want the cheaters banned anyway. So I can't really say that is a very bright suggestion.

Using Discord to cheat by giving information? That isn't cheating, that is communicating. You should try it some time. I would even argue that it is vitally important in a competitive scene.

But hey! I'd love to see some actual, viable and thought through suggestions on how Valve should do it since you aren't all that satisified with how they do it.

A comprehensive list with Pro's and Con's would be appreciated. Let's see how many holes us regular users can poke in it.

[The Djinn]

more work for cheaters until they give up til valve fixes the game entirely so nothing they test works

community is happy to have cheaters removed

cheaters stay banned and cant annoy anymore

pretty simple really

[Froggy]

Escrito originalmente por Kamisori:

more work for cheaters until they give up til valve fixes the game entirely so nothing they test works

community is happy to have cheaters removed

cheaters stay banned and cant annoy anymore

pretty simple really

more work how? What kind of work?

I think that is the first thing you've said that is accurate.

Cheats are already rewarded with permanent bans.

"Pretty simple"? You've provided nothing of actual value on how to sort out the issues you're presenting.

[C²C^Guyver |NZB|]

Escrito originalmente por Kamisori:

more work for cheaters until they give up til valve fixes the game entirely so nothing they test works

community is happy to have cheaters removed

cheaters stay banned and cant annoy anymore

pretty simple really

No, it's not simple, because it is never ending cat and mouse game between the game devs and cheat authors. There is no 100% perfect anticheat, because humans aren't perfect. To have 0 cheaters, you would need to fix human nature first. Can you do that?

Also, VAC as well as Overwatch, ban the account...not the person.