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worza 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 7:37
ANTI-CHEAT Method [No more AIMBOT/LOCK at LAN]
I have contacted ESL, Dreamhack, Razar, Thermaltake and Intel with an idea to introduce a method of Mouse tracking to filter out computer generated movements during offline events.

This can be done easily by positioning a camera above the mouse pad and correlate fine movement data with screen data to highlight movements that were caused by Aimbot/Aimlock aids.

A more advanced way (and why I contacted Razor and Thermaltake) would be to develop a mousepad that tracks direct input (with the users hand/arm) and plots this data to compare with the crosshair movement on the screen.

With removal of the 180" look bind, and calculated adjustments during recoil controlling, we will easily be able to spot when an aimlock or aimbot is being used as this movement data will only display as a movement on the screen and not the mousepad, where as genuine movements will display an exact movement on both screen and mousepad.

Anyone who has done their research already knows that Yes, aimlock and Aimbot is being used in the professional eSports scene at LAN currently and by many top "Pros" - they plug in phones, switch mouse hardware, and reportedly some have spent $20,000 - $50,000 on custom developed aids that are still not being detected.

This method of tracking the direct mouse movement in real-time with precision makes any 'aim-assisted' software null and void - easily detected.

I have played cs since 1.3 with over 8,000+ hours and have a very firm understanding of game mechanics and fundamentals - what I see in CS these days on the pro level is rather disgusting and we as a passionate community must protect the future of CS by legitimizing the Trust back into CS and Esports in general. This method secures that future for LAN events, and hopefully in the future we will have this kind of a technical solution implemented for Online play aswel.

TLDR: Track direct mouse movements with camera and/or new innovated mousepad, to correlate with onscreen movement data of crosshair - this highlights where software assistance (aimbot/Aimlock) is being used.

Ty, and spread the word.
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Muppet among Puppets 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:13 
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
Use your brain...

If mouse moves and screen doesnt = lifting mouse to readjust placement of mouse
If screen moves and mouse doesnt = aimbot/aimlock

With the exception of recoil but even that can be calculated and compared as recoil patterns are fixed.
It would need a perfect field sensor to calculate the movement and position of the mouse and hand while in air, because the sensor of the mouse can detect movement without contact to the ground. Also you can get off the pad.

I lift the mouse constantly. My pad would be the most expensive version.
ScreaM 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:16 
Stewie2k isn't cheating LOL. I agree with the rest nevermind lmao ♥♥♥♥ this guy.
worza 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:20 
引用自 Rodney Wilson
Stewie2k isn't cheating LOL. I agree with the rest nevermind lmao ♥♥♥♥ this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKLnldcrPI

You didnt watch it.
S7unOne 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:29 
interesante
Muppet among Puppets 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:32 
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
You didnt watch it.
The right way to look if someone cheats is by longer examples, and then you look first for hints if someone is not cheating.
Not by looking few seconds of what looks like cheating and then cut that out as proof.
oldirty7 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:36 
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
引用自 Rodney Wilson
Stewie2k isn't cheating LOL. I agree with the rest nevermind lmao ♥♥♥♥ this guy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKLnldcrPI

You didnt watch it.
Dude, DanM is a troll. lol
worza 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:40 
引用自 oldirty7
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akKLnldcrPI

You didnt watch it.
Dude, DanM is a troll. lol

No you're the troll mate. You can't explain it anymore than Summit1g could - and his a better player than both of us.
Muppet among Puppets 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:42 
You could make a video like that of your own rounds. Maybe you can cut out a few moments that would make us ask what that means......
worza 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:50 
You could make a video like that of your own rounds. Maybe you can cut out a few moments that would make us ask what that means......

Why not ask the NAVI player who was calling his plays ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ and talking about the fake flicks to do the same?

You should understand something, these players earn alot of money and calling them cheaters is defamation of character if it is incorrect... so why doesn't stewie sue the navi player? or flusha sue several others? HA, they dont, they because they know they are cheating... and instead others just cheat to try counter them on Lan...

Sorry for giving a ♥♥♥♥ and trying to highlight a problem that you would rather be ignorant of.
worza 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:54 
You could make a video like that of your own rounds. Maybe you can cut out a few moments that would make us ask what that means......

and no i couldnt make a vid like that with my demo's because i dont randomly flick to walls with heads behind them... and my crosshair doesnt yo-yo or zig-zag due to aimbot or recoil adjustments and dampening. It is very easy to tell the difference between legit players and cheaters when you know what you are looking for.
oldirty7 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 10:57 
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
引用自 oldirty7
Dude, DanM is a troll. lol

No you're the troll mate. You can't explain it anymore than Summit1g could - and his a better player than both of us.
Dont get so defensive, I havent called you anything bad. There is no reason to insult me like that.

Im serious about DanM, he is a troll. He baits people, he doesnt believe the things he says himself. He is pretty much on the same level like flat earthers.
Muppet among Puppets 2019 年 8 月 4 日 下午 11:05 
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
You could make a video like that of your own rounds. Maybe you can cut out a few moments that would make us ask what that means......

and no i couldnt make a vid like that with my demo's because i dont randomly flick to walls with heads behind them... and my crosshair doesnt yo-yo or zig-zag due to aimbot or recoil adjustments and dampening. It is very easy to tell the difference between legit players and cheaters when you know what you are looking for.
For cheaters its difficult to naturally insert "non-cheater-errors". If these errors look normal and happen in reflex situations, these are the ones to look closer, to exclude cheating.

Not just looking for things that could be cheating.
✪Peek-achu -iwnl- 2019 年 8 月 5 日 上午 1:49 
Theres no correct and 100% proofable and comparable mouse data of real aim-movement and that thing is VACnet build on to learn and improve (Deep Learning of detection from strange mouse-movements is a part of the VACnet). And yet, we still have a biiig amount of cheaters and overwatch is filled with 80% cheaters with extreme strange mouse movement, which was detected by VACnet. But those cases are clearly, theres not much precision of the system needed. Things look other in Tournaments, if youre not 100% certain its worthless to come out with accusations.

If you had have a camera above the players jhands to film theyre mousemovement - with which you would go compare it to? High-End players and high-end-cheaters have the same movement, the differnece is the pro maybe end up a bit to far left while the cheater may be accurate 100%, the mouse-movement were literally the same. Youd be able to detect spinbots, AA/Legit-AA and blatant aimlocks with that kind, but you cant differentiate in high precision areas where to decide if its human or computer-skill.

Also from where to get the Data? VACNet is obviously just grown up so far that it detects permanently spinning people. And behind VACNet is a million-dollar PC and 200 developers which permanently collects data from official servers. And still theres not enough data to automatically detect a normal looking aimlock (i dont mean a very suspicious af one) precisely. How would you then go to detect millimeter-adjustments done by computers to help out pros?

And if u go further, you wouldnt even need a camera. You literally have the input-data on your computer and theres for sure a easier way to detect strange movement of the mouse than with a camera above players hands. Image-Recognition isnt that precise aswell and would juste implement another source of failure. You can, and there im 100% certain about, detect the difference between a file-generated mouse-movement or a hardware-generated. But then you cant be sure if the thing u recognized as file-generated is maybe mouse-acceleration etc. because the adjustment were so smooth and small.

But in the end, nothing is reliable that much to be able to proof & execute accusations in the pro-scene. The better u get, the less adjusments need to be done if you use cheats. The less adjustments, the less the chance u get detected. No reliable data-source to build on except VACNet and those data isnt precise enough to even balance out through the game..

If it were that "easy" as u described it would been already done. The more useful thing would be in the administrators of events.

If the admins would ask competing people over theyre mouse and keyboard preference and maybe even buy those pieces specialzed per player, or just say heres Mouse1/2/3/4/5 pick one out would clear out accusations in mind like "they use cheat-mouse". No allowance of own mouses and keyboards. Then, each player has to submit the cfg folder he wants to use which will be looked through (doesnt take much time each) and then is safed in the individual account-id folder under userdata and shared to each computer. So pros dont need to configure theyre game beforehand for 5-10minutes. Then, place a referee, or atleast 2 for downtimes beside the players, not 1 referee for 5.

So it'll be like:

Pro Player(E-Mail to admin): Yea i use G502 Logitech Spectrum whatever ♥♥♥♥ of mouse and heres my cfg file for the ID xxxxxx.
Pro player arrives, full configured CSGO ready with his beloved mouse and keyboard, totally safely stored away from the ability to manipulate. Then he sits down, 2 referees or more around him and if he would even just tab out now its suspicious af. No need to do that then, he should better being at warmup, everything is configured. Lets have a deeper look into him while my other referee can watch the rest, not that he just bait me out.
最後修改者:✪Peek-achu -iwnl-; 2019 年 8 月 5 日 上午 2:15
ScreaM 2019 年 8 月 5 日 下午 1:18 
you realize loads of pros look like cheaters because they fidget their mouses to wake up and focus? Simple stuff like that. Stewie does it, many people do it. Doesn't necessarily mean they cheat.
最後修改者:ScreaM; 2019 年 8 月 5 日 下午 1:23
rose princess 2019 年 8 月 5 日 下午 1:19 
引用自 Ҏꭆуѕм
I have contacted ESL, Dreamhack, Razar, Thermaltake and Intel
this is where you should have stopped.
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