Why Bots HAVE to change in CS:GO

[Woody$]

CS:GO is a simple game. The team with more bots loses. Why? Because they are trash.

Bots advantages:
-If a player dies he can take them over.
- (feel free to add more, because i couldnt find anything advantageous about them)

Bots disadvantages:
-They don't react at all
-They lose EVERY gunfight
-They start their first round on 800$, which makes them full-eco and they arent even viable if a player takes them over
-They can block you at the start of rounds and at chokepoints/ladders (especially when they have to crouch fx on mirage)
-They may lose weapons vs anti-ecos when no one guides them and they could give away an ak/m4 to the opposing team.
-They may do teamdamage if they are blinded or mess up their grenades/molotovs
-They can give away positions by making noise
-They buy on ecorounds and save on gunrounds
-They don't play on bombsites which can destroy a whole ct-setup
-When they get the bomb they just run to a site, so you may not be able to leave the bomb in spawn
-They keep guns you saved with them, and that could be annoying when you cant get the awp to a certain player because the bot keeps it (and probably loses it too)
-They never buy kits or nades, so if you lost a site and take over the bot to retake its near impossible
-In Wingman they run & jump against the barriers which makes them useless. Absolutely useless. 100 % useless. Bot in Wingman=You lost

This is the reason teams never kick cheaters. They know, that as soon as you got a bot your chances of winning decrease MASSIVELY. I hate cheaters, but i always think about not kicking them, simply because that means we will lose the game.

Valve, if you want less cheaters in MM-games, a fair match in Wingman or just want to improve offline-experience fix these bots. Most of the time they are better of dead, so they dont give away guns. Says alot about them when you prefer 4v5 than 5v5 with a bot.

Volvo, pls fix!

[Nelly]

WoodyS님이 먼저 게시:

Valve will only try to find a solution when they realize its a problem.

I think they should increase Bots depending on the rank someone is playing on. If i play on DMG i get a better bot than people get in a GN2 match. May not be a perfect solution, but feel free to find one.

But its not a problem.

And then everyone would kick the bottom fragger for a better bot. Yay, so much better then bots that camp in spawn.

[Woody$]

They shouldn't win every fight, but at least secure the easy kills. Last match (mirage) i was playing on the boxes infront of the balcony towards palace, and i had a teammate to cover my back (Ramp was smoked anyways). Seems like my teammate was unaware or something, but i suddenly realized that a bot walked up behind me without even shooting me. He just ran through the smoke, straight past me and wanted to plant. I am not sure how to make a clip of it, but im sure i still have the demo if you wanna see it.

[Woody$]

Nelly님이 먼저 게시:

WoodyS님이 먼저 게시:

Valve will only try to find a solution when they realize its a problem.

I think they should increase Bots depending on the rank someone is playing on. If i play on DMG i get a better bot than people get in a GN2 match. May not be a perfect solution, but feel free to find one.

But its not a problem.

And then everyone would kick the bottom fragger for a better bot. Yay, so much better then bots that camp in spawn.

It is a problem. If you are to ♥♥♥♥ to be better than a bot you deserve to be kicked. Nothing is worse than a bot.

[Nelly]

WoodyS님이 먼저 게시:

Nelly님이 먼저 게시:

But its not a problem.

And then everyone would kick the bottom fragger for a better bot. Yay, so much better then bots that camp in spawn.

It is a problem. If you are to ♥♥♥♥ to be better than a bot you deserve to be kicked. Nothing is worse than a bot.

You even said that you want the bots play like the skillgroup you are playing.

Which makes MANY player worse than a bot when they have a bad day/match.

WoodyS님이 먼저 게시:

They shouldn't win every fight, but at least secure the easy kills. Last match (mirage) i was playing on the boxes infront of the balcony towards palace, and i had a teammate to cover my back (Ramp was smoked anyways). Seems like my teammate was unaware or something, but i suddenly realized that a bot walked up behind me without even shooting me. He just ran through the smoke, straight past me and wanted to plant. I am not sure how to make a clip of it, but im sure i still have the demo if you wanna see it.

Bot just tried a ninja plant. Thats pretty clever. /s

[tomgor]

This is just the right time to employ the OpenAI.com guys to fix the CS:GO bots:
https://www.theverge.com/2018/8/6/17655086/dota2-openai-bots-professional-gaming-ai

[✪Art Of Magic]

Hell no, that thing beats pro players wile idle. Are u crazy or something?

[FrostButt Irelia]

It's mainly because bots in ranked aren't so strong. They aren't placed on expert difficulty or hard. They play like easy-medium which is crap. If they were put on expert, then it would be more fun.

[tomgor]

Even the default expert bots are too weak. Try this botprofile.db:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/jl6yr4ot2uv0shy/botprofile.db?dl=0
Yes, they are still stupid like hell even at expert level, but at least they are faster and move and aim better than default ones. Of course bots are not enough - navmesh for given map must be also top notch to make for fun with bots. Which means it has to be well manually edited. Still the bots are not much worth. But again - this is nothing when compared to bots that could learn like the Dota2 OpenAI. Of course one should consider the effects too good bots would have for ranked CS:GO matches. On the other hand it would make playing with bots much more interesting. The good thing with AI however is that you can usually control its "intelectual" strenght like in case of chess engines, so they could be adjusted to the average level of players in the match.

[tomgor]

Like it or not, the AI is to be here with us for future. And it may need less and less computing power. See what Alpha can do using just a little Raspberry Pi computer:
https://magazine.uc.edu/editors_picks/recent_features/alpha.html
https://www.omicsonline.org/open-access/genetic-fuzzy-based-artificial-intelligence-for-unmanned-combat-aerialvehicle-control-in-simulated-air-combat-missions-2167-0374-1000144.pdf

[tio fred]

They are stupid because they are supposed to be. Do you want them to be like the good ole [POD]Bots of cs 1.5? Those were pretty OP for novice players. I can see a team of them taking over a game from a full nova team.

[FrostButt Irelia]

foca gioconda님이 먼저 게시:

They are stupid because they are supposed to be. Do you want them to be like the good ole [POD]Bots of cs 1.5? Those were pretty OP for novice players. I can see a team of them taking over a game from a full nova team.

I remember bots in cs 1.6.They were really good made, on expert they could one shot you in head in milisecond. But i more liked them as they had big chance of taking down even pro players.