90 FPS limit in CO-OP

[VibeCheck]

I just found out that there is a hard 90 FPS cap when you join others peoples lobbies. As a host, the framerate remains unlimited if set so in the options.

Googling around seems some people noticed it aswell but no helpful info on how to uncap the frames is to be found. Anyone figured out how to get rid of it? Can't find anything in the configs either and there is no CE table out there that addresses the issue. Almost seems like some brainlet at gearbox hardcoded it for some reason.

Funnily enough, the OG version doesn't have that dumb cap. Anyone knows what's up?

[Jurassic Fart 1]

Just hazarding a wild guess here, but I imagine the answer lies in simple mathematics (which I'll get to soon), which isn't really appreciable to lower-skilled / casual players at framerates below 90 FPS (maybe somewhat to players between 30-60 FPS) when not everyone in a co-op game are playing at different framerates; the cap is to level the playing field so that a skilled player playing at a framerate of, say 144 FPS, doesn't have an advantage over players with hardware caps below that.

The math part, for which I actually don't do equations or other boring stuff: Skilled players gaming at significantly higher framerates than other players are able to see and fire upon targets fractions of seconds before others. The wider the framerate gap, the greater the advantage. However, when you hobble everyone equally in this aspect of gameplay, the playing field is mostly leveled...but there will still be a disadvantage to players whom might elect to cap his or her framerate to 30 FPS due to having, maybe, a not-so-hot GPU. Capping at 90 FPS would thus lessen hardware advantage and emphasize raw skill. Not dumb.

...But, that's just a wild guess.

[VibeCheck]

Well, I guess if we assume that BL is some kind of hyper competitive PvP e-sports title you might be onto something here. But even entertaining the idea of such has one glaring issue:

Originally posted by Delerium:

As a host, the framerate remains unlimited if set so in the options.

So yeah. not exactly an even playground.

[Jurassic Fart 1]

It's not really a glaring issue, specifically because of the things that I mentioned. The "glaring issue" actually means that the host may override the cap to give the more experienced players a slight edge.

But really, the experienced players don't need the edge, don't need the points, and already have the best weapons, starting consecutive playthroughs with the full inventory that they had after handing Tannis the key the last time. It's kind of pointless in co-op, anyway, since the players aren't really competing against each other as would be different if it were multiplayer confrontations in play.

I stopped counting my playthroughs. It's actually gotten kind of boring, to be no challenge.

[luci]

Hi, please go to: C:\Users\<YourUsername>\Documents\My Games\Borderlands Game of the Year\WillowGame\Config\WillowEngine.ini

Open WillowEngine.ini via notepad and locate:
[Engine.GameEngine]
bSmoothFrameRate=FALSE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
MaxDeltaTime=0

Change the values as follows:
[Engine.GameEngine]
bSmoothFrameRate=TRUE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=your desired max FPS cap
MaxDeltaTime=0

Save the WillowEngine.ini, run the game and check if your fps cap was increased to desired one. I tested this solution on both Borderlands GOTY steam edition and Borderlands GOTY Enhanced Steam edition, both work after the tweak.

Have fun playing!

[Mittens]

Originally posted by luci:

Hi, please go to: C:\Users\<YourUsername>\Documents\My Games\Borderlands Game of the Year\WillowGame\Config\WillowEngine.ini

Open WillowEngine.ini via notepad and locate:
[Engine.GameEngine]
bSmoothFrameRate=FALSE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=62
MaxDeltaTime=0

Change the values as follows:
[Engine.GameEngine]
bSmoothFrameRate=TRUE
MinSmoothedFrameRate=22
MaxSmoothedFrameRate=your desired max FPS cap
MaxDeltaTime=0

Save the WillowEngine.ini, run the game and check if your fps cap was increased to desired one. I tested this solution on both Borderlands GOTY steam edition and Borderlands GOTY Enhanced Steam edition, both work after the tweak.

Have fun playing!

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Originally posted by Jurassic Fart 1:

Just hazarding a wild guess here, but I imagine the answer lies in simple mathematics (which I'll get to soon), which isn't really appreciable to lower-skilled / casual players at framerates below 90 FPS (maybe somewhat to players between 30-60 FPS) when not everyone in a co-op game are playing at different framerates; the cap is to level the playing field so that a skilled player playing at a framerate of, say 144 FPS, doesn't have an advantage over players with hardware caps below that.

The math part, for which I actually don't do equations or other boring stuff: Skilled players gaming at significantly higher framerates than other players are able to see and fire upon targets fractions of seconds before others. The wider the framerate gap, the greater the advantage. However, when you hobble everyone equally in this aspect of gameplay, the playing field is mostly leveled...but there will still be a disadvantage to players whom might elect to cap his or her framerate to 30 FPS due to having, maybe, a not-so-hot GPU. Capping at 90 FPS would thus lessen hardware advantage and emphasize raw skill. Not dumb.

...But, that's just a wild guess.