Lakeview Manor CTD upon reaching the area it's in.

[NHGH]

I've been unable to get Hearthfire to work in any regard beyond dropping the 5k gold to buy a plot of land. Upon trying to reach Lakeview Manor, I get a CTD. I don't see any of the mods I have conflicting with this area, and even ones that use Hearthfire I have systematically disabled, one at a time, and re-enabled after seeing it does nothing. I have all the Unofficial patches, set in the proper load order. TES5Edit doesn't indicate there's anything wrong with my load order. I've tried loading a save with just the bare essentials (Skyrim.esm, Update.esm, Dawnguard.esm, Hearthfire.esm, Dawnguard.esm, and the Unofficial Patches)... and I get CTD as it tries to load. I run my game through SKSE, latest version. Even with SKSE-related mods disabled and running the game with the normal boot-up, I get the same results. I've removed Bluecreek Estate, and various other mods that take up cells near the area, and get the same result with or without them. Here's my load order and mess of mods active.

GameMode=Skyrim

Skyrim.esm=1
Update.esm=1
ApachiiHair.esm=1
Dawnguard.esm=1
HearthFires.esm=1
Dragonborn.esm=1
SkyMoMod.esm=1
Ultimate Witcher MOD.esm=1
SG_BlacksmithsCavern.esm=1
Omegared99-Compilation.esm=1
AmethystHollowsMaster.esm=1
SPIKE.esm=1
TERAArmors.esm=1
XFLMain.esm=1
JSwords.esm=1
Solstheim Climate Overhaul.esm=1
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm=1
Grytewake.esm=1
GeneralStores.esm=1
ApachiiHairMales.esm=1
ApachiiHairFemales.esm=1
DA_Skyship.esm=1
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp=1
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp=1
SkyMoMod_lists.esp=1
Dr_Bandolier.esp=1
Cloaks.esp=1
Cloaks - No Imperial.esp=1
Cloaks - Player Only.esp=1
Space Wiking's Dwemer Exoskeleton.esp=1
DwemerRifle.esp=1
Dwemer Scouter.esp=1
forsaken.esp=1
My Home Is Your Home.esp=1
LevelersTowerRemod.esp=1
greybeard follower.esp=1
kohlrabifollower.esp=1
supersonic explosive arrows.esp=1
hothtrooper44_ArmorCompilation.esp=1
Amulet of the Assassin.esp=1
Field Mage Outfit.esp=1
ExtendedVanillaWeapons.esp=1
BloodWitchArmor.esp=1
AncientDBarmorTSedition.esp=1
LordOfWar_TW2.esp=1
geralt_ravenarmor_v02b.esp=1
TrissArmorRetextured.esp=1
CerwidenCompanion.esp=1
Scoiatael Weapons.esp=1
Ultimate Witcher Weapons.esp=1
Ultimate Witcher Races.esp=1
Amira.esp=0
chesko_wearablelantern.esp=1
XAC.esp=1
Portal.esp=1
allhoods.esp=1
jaxonzblinkteleport2.esp=1
magegloves.esp=1
unlimitedbookshelves.esp=1
EliteKnightArmor.esp=1
LC_ArcherEliteArmor.esp=1
Improved Freckles Skyrim.esp=1
wulfharth's dragonbone weapons.esp=1
AetheriumSwordsnArmor.esp=1
dr_bandolierdg.esp=1
DwarvenPowerArmor.esp=1
AetherialBow&Arrows.esp=1
aethernautics.esp=1
Aethernautics - Weaponry Tweaks.esp=1
JoOMassLightning.esp=1
hankyench.esp=1
magicscaling.esp=1
mxthunderdasharmored.esp=1
DovahkiinSpeech.esp=1
10 extra effect.esp=1
Crossbow_Basic_Collection_LListed_EN.esp=1
LpotDHorse.esp=1
LPotD Armor.esp=1
riversidelodge.esp=1
Apocalypse - The Spell Package.esp=1
ssapbwk.esp=1
Omegared99-WeaponSets.esp=1
CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp=1
1nivWICCloaks.esp=1
1nivWICCloaksCRAFT.esp=1
1nivWICCloaksNoGuards.esp=1
DreamBurrowsRegalAssassin.esp=1
daedric mage armor.esp=1
darkseraticheavyarmor.esp=1
dragonsoulstoperks.esp=1
Gizmodian-Obliviweapons.esp=1
MorrowindArmor.esp=1
dragoniron.esp=1
morrowindarmorhd.esp=1
HothFollower.esp=1
misttop.esp=1
mayatola CTV.esp=1
mayatola DI.esp=1
mayatola AV.esp=1
unenchanted_savior's_hide.esp=1
visarraoforgrimmar.esp=1
vjarkell castle.esp=1
RayeksEnd.esp=1
Ritual Armor of Boethiah.esp=1
AmethystHollowsUpdate.esp=1
CompilationV1.esp=1
nordicrangerarmor.esp=1
CompanionValfar.esp=1
blaze of eventide.esp=1
dragonboneebonsteel.esp=1
HallsOfDovahndor.esp=1
legendarydovahkiin.esp=1
Archer's.esp=1
jumpgs.esp=1
random alternate start.esp=1
LustmordVampireArmor.esp=1
JetheadArmors.esp=1
Evil MasterMind Armor.esp=1
sabrefurbag.esp=1
Sam's Travelling Caravan.esp=1
j3x-autocrossbows.esp=1
wooded oak.esp=1
RuefulBloodaxe.esp=1
KatanaCrafting.esp=1
DualSwords.esp=1
Pauldrons DV.esp=1
HSFStockade.esp=1
Althirs Camping Tools English.esp=1
Bandanas of Skyrim.esp=1
Blindfolds_of_Skyrim.esp=1
hghwaymnsawrd.esp=1
Ghosu - Project Flintlock.esp=1
whitefallshouse.esp=0
VampireHuntersCoat.esp=1
bobsarmory.esp=1
orc-female-idle-fix.esp=1
_pocketempirebuilder.esp=1
Northman Armours - Credo.esp=1
Plate Armours - Credo.esp=1
aethebonycirclet.esp=1
nakuma.esp=0
Gri_Scarf_and_Gugel.esp=1
DemonHunterArmor.esp=1
Tribunal Maskes by Zairaam.esp=1
Nordic Adventurer's Armor.esp=1
Cleric Armours - Credo.esp=1
TGLNordArmor.esp=1
Nilvas Reinhardt.esp=1
R18Pn - Eisen Platte Armor.esp=1
Fulmine Kriegheit.esp=1
Tribunal Robes by Zairaam.esp=1
JessicaAlba.esp=1
Shadow Ranger Gear by Natterforme.esp=1
TERAArmors_CBBE.esp=1
Dragon.esp=1
Beards.esp=1
DK_Armor_By_Hothtrooper44.esp=1
Footprints.esp=1
Chesko_Frostfall.esp=1
WetandCold.esp=1
black knight.esp=1
die maschinenstadt.esp=1
ezio's armor.esp=1
orderoflagrieshadow.esp=1
isilNarsil.esp=1
IA6npc01.esp=1
Immersive Weapons.esp=1
aod - fullplate.esp=1
PrvtIBearclawHelm.esp=1
theRoadstrokersRoyalElvenSet.esp=1
SkyUI.esp=1
Better Followers - SBP.esp=1
Better NPC - Faction Pack.esp=1
TERAArmors.esp=1
AchieveThat.esp=1
SummonFollowers.esp=1
Tundra Defense.esp=1
TKcombat.esp=1
XFLDialogue.esp=1
XFLPlugins.esp=1
stormcloakbattlearmor.esp=1
NS_HuntingGroundsOutfit.esp=1
Ancient Knowledge Armour.esp=1
TheCallOfTheNorth.esp=1
Convenient Horses.esp=1
Convenient Horses - Faster Sprint.esp=1
BoundGear.esp=1
HeartOfThunder.esp=1
Convenient Horse Herding.esp=1
Dovabear.esp=1
Sutvaka2.esp=1
WetandCold - Ashes.esp=1
GypsyEyesCaravan.esp=1
FaceMasksOfSkyrim.esp=1
ChitinGoggles.esp=1
Luddemann.esp=1
Medusa and Drakul Armors.esp=1
Unique Uniques.esp=1
MageBackpack_byTumbajamba.esp=1
TumbajambaBackpacksExpanded.esp=1
SkaalHeavyArmor.esp=1
Dragontooth Den RLO.esp=1
GildedCarvedArmor.esp=1
LC2013.esp=1
Millionaire.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp=1
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp=1
Comp-NozDorMu.esp=1
WATER.esp=1
WATER Plants.esp=1
WATER DB Waves.esp=1
RaceMenu.esp=1
RaceMenuPlugin.esp=1
Portable Campsite.esp=1
The Dance of Death - Ultimate Edition.esp=1
TairenSoulWarpaint.esp=1
ETaC - Morthal.esp=1
DiethardtWarpaint.esp=1
BloodyFacials.esp=1
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp=1
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp=1
ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Cities - Falkreath.esp=1
Sit Anywhere.esp=1
Perfect Whiterun_outside district by ReVan1199.esp=1
whiterun spruce by revan1199.esp=1
Krev The Skinner's Mantle by Hothtrooper44.esp=1
ETaC - Darkwater.esp=1
ETaC - Dragon Bridge.esp=1
ETaC - Ivarstead.esp=1
ETaC - Rorikstead.esp=1
riverwood reborn.esp=1
hunter's camps.esp=1
bluecreek estate.esp=1
AesirArmor.esp=1
flaho_shi_eagles_nest_ENG.esp=1
aMidianborn_Skyforge_Weapons.esp=1
Draco's HearthFire Home's Lost Vault;'s.esp=1
_PocketEmpireBuilder_HearthfireAddon.esp=1
ElysiumEstate.esp=1
BHWarPaints.esp=1
Guard Build (HF) 1.esp=1
Grytewake.esp=1
flaho_shi_wassersturz.esp=1
Woodland sanctuary.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod.esp=1
StaticMeshImprovementMod-DragonbornTernFix.esp=1
DA_Skyship_Dragonborn.esp=1


Anyone with experience have any advice? I've been to all the other pages, read all the other issues people are having, and I don't have any of the mods listed that conflict (that I can tell, anyway). Any help would be appreciated.

[Charlemagne]

I don't know but it has to be mod conflict or messed up files.

[Daniel]

in making your test you have perharp ctd in reloading because you are in the same cell...,

you have too much mods, i can not explain all, but even only a mod they change a small thing can broke the game,

the think i can suggest you, it's fast travel in a city, go into a home or market, save and quit, and disable ALL your mods but not the dlc, load your game, if it's loading go to the place where they crash to view if it's crash again, if yes it's because one mods have let's something in your savegame...,

Oh! and before i forget, try to run the game with the vanilla shortcut button to laught skyrim, not the one for skse...

[Charlemagne]

I think I recall something about a mod that affects a neighboring house (one that is right around the corner and has bandits) causing CTD's.

[aturqoise]

If any of your mods has a spawn point in or near the area of Lakeview Manor that could be causing the crash.

[Adura]

First, I'd check the riversidelodge - if it's near the Lakeview manor it may be causing the crashes. Next, check to see if you have any of ThirteenOranges 'Places' mods, the original versions are not compatible with Hearthfire.

They caused CTDs for me when I got hearthfire, took awhile to find them as the cause.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=97501644

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=100319747

If you're subscribed to either of these, remove them.

[NHGH]

Would non-active mods have an effect? Because even with all of them disabled, save for the standard DLC and Unofficial Patches, loading a save file at the build site for Lakeview Manor, or even away from Lakeview Manor and walking to that area still results in a CTD.

[Meepus Moopus]

Originally posted by summonphobians:

Would non-active mods have an effect? Because even with all of them disabled, save for the standard DLC and Unofficial Patches, loading a save file at the build site for Lakeview Manor, or even away from Lakeview Manor and walking to that area still results in a CTD.

Yes. Unlike in Oblivion or Fallout 3, you can't 'remove' a mod just by disabling it, there will always be some data attached to the save file. If the problem caused by a mod isn't too severe, and hasn't progressed too far, disabling it can sometimes do the trick. Unfortunately this doesn't seem to be the case with you, however.

[NHGH]

Wonderful.
So, even figuring out which mod is causing the conflict would require restarting a new game with a new character, and systematically creating a new character for each mod to find out which one is causing the problems. Hearthfire! Worth every penny...

[stabbykitteh]

You may find some helpful info here:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2963860

Thread's a bit old at this point, but has many conflicting mods listed. Might help narrow it down.

[NHGH]

Originally posted by stabbykitteh:

You may find some helpful info here:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2963860

Thread's a bit old at this point, but has many conflicting mods listed. Might help narrow it down.

Yeah, that was the first place I checked before I posted about my situation. I don't have any of the mods that're noted to conflict in that thread. I just ran a fresh game with a large portion of my mods disabled (just texture improvements and some armor mods active), finished my work in Helgen, sprinted to the plot of land where Lakeview would later be and... CTD. I give up. Most of the community created homes look better than these Hearthfire homes, anyway.

[chimpo]

Im very late with this but I was having the same problem for a while and i tried many different things to get it to stop CTD when i went near the area, but what finally worked was disabling scenic carriages. If you have the mod scenic carriages i would highly suggest disabling/deleting it and getting touring carriages instead.

[Corgi]

Scenic Carriages mod made my game crash every time I went to or fast traveled to Lakeview manor.

[cfs111]

Load Order Optimization Tool or LOOT, you load order is atrocious. After running LOOT be sure to click on the button in the upper right that says "Sort" when hovered over, then click "Apply" once it appears.

Load order and resource priority basics
http://steamcommunity.com/app/72850/discussions/0/523890681419356033/

[Uncle64]

You realice that this is one old tread and the loadorder is since 2013? :P

And let this old tread slumber.

[cfs111]

I agree, totally missed that! lmao