FIXED - Can't find Sam/Sanguine in Misty Grove

[Mreisse]

The party area has 8 commoners, the map marker points to thin air beside the mead barrel. I've trampled all over the area but Sam isn't appearing. Only 8 commoners at table are around. Any ideas?

-I'm fully patched with unofficial patches
-I'm LOOTed
-I told my follower to go home before entering the portal in Morvunskr
-this is my first playthrough

Help!!!

[newjeans PR manager]

You mean the quest "A night to remember"? It's Sanguine, the big red dude you have to talk to. He was just disguising as Sam. It's a daedric quest- just talk to Sanguine and you get yourself the Sanguine rose.

[Mreisse]

The quest arrow is pointing to thin air in Misty Grove. There is no one to interact with. The only people in the groove are the eight commoners at the table. I left this quest to languish a long time, so I have no idea why Sanguine is invisible/not there.

How can I force Sam to transform so I can finally end this quest?

[Mreisse]

I walked up to the empty air where the quest marker points, used setstage DA14 200 and woke up in the silver blood inn, but did not have the Sanguine rose in my inventory. I guess I'll try stage 150 from outside misty Grove and see if he shows up? Sigh...

[Mreisse]

setstage 150 just warps me in front of the stairs leading to the portal player.moveto just warps me to Misty Grove

Sanguine is basically invisible and unfindeable. It's been too long since I started this quest (I really should stop hopscotching around quests) so I have no idea what could be glitching--maybe 30+ hours, with multiple quests and levels completed in between. I may just have to let this quest pass. oh well.

[cfs111]

Go to a save from before the console was used and type in sqo What does it tell you about this quest, you can use page up and page down to view all the info. Once you take note of that type in sqt what does it say about DA14?

[Mreisse]

A night to remember
(Instance 1)
150 search Morvunskr for Sam and the staff DISPLAYED

[cfs111]

Give me a few minutes to work this out and test.

[Mreisse]

Sqt:
Current quest DA14
1 current targets
Target: 1 reference (00000EB7), load door: same cell/exterior

Note this is my save before entering the portal to Misty Grove, before any console command was used. I exited to desktop without saving between attempts at the console

[Mreisse]

In the UESP entry for this quest, I saw a bunch of "empty" quest stages, so I decided to step through the stages (165,175,185,200) and I managed to tick off all quest objectives in a night to remember. No idea if this will come back to haunt me but hopefully not... I'm backing up my save pre and post setstages just in case, and wait for cfs111's advice before moving forward.

[cfs111]

OK, sorry for the delay, RL. go ahead and go through the portal. Maybe we will get lucky and Sanguine will appear. If not then this set of comsole commands,

prid 0002E1F3 <enter>
enable <enter>

Exit the console, does Sanguine appear? If so, will the quest proceed?

Next, this set of commands,

prid 0002E1F3 <enter>
moveto player <enter>
resetai <enter>
disable <enter>
enable <enter>

Exit, see if he is there and works.

If not then we will have to just complete it. through console commands. I'm not sure if it will count towards the Deadric acheivement thingy.

setstage DA14 150 <enter>
player.additem 0001cb36 1 <enter>
setstage DA14 200 <enter>

That should complete the quest and give you the Rose.

Hopefully the first or second will work. They give the least intrusive fix. The less the console does the better. Just post back.

[cfs111]

Well, we know you can finish the quest at least. That is a good sign. If you want you can just use the additem command to give yourself the Rose.

[Mreisse]

Thanks for looking at my issue, CFS!

I tried your series of commands. Sanguine is still invisible, but he did ask "what are you staring at". Sadly I am unable to continue the quest either way since I still can't talk to the invisible Daedric Prince.

Incidentally, setstage 185 gave me the sanguine rose and then I completed the quest with stage 200. Hopefully I haven't borked my game too much with this but at least all the quest stages are filled out in my quest log. I'm going to mark this FIXED for now.

I'm going to go complete every non main quest that's hanging around in my quest log. Maybe I just left Sam hanging too long LOL

[kdodds]

This is, unfortunately, a persistent bug. I've encountered it years ago (never could get him to appear with the chars in question) on both XBox and PC.

I *think* it may have something to do with the many optional ways in which to solve the different stages. You can bypass all of the stages through speech alone and I *think* using combos of completing/speeching out each objective may have something to do with it.

Is this for the Oblivion Walker achievement? Did it work?

[Mreisse]

I'm not yet at that point (5/15 so far) but my SkyComplete listing registered the Sanguine Rose, so I'm hopeful. I'm off to complete Taste of Death, which has been hanging even longer than this one.

Re: the bug, I wasn't planning to pick up this quest but one day Ysolda came up to me in whiterun ranting about the ring, and I hadn't even gone to Ivarstead re the goat. (I didn't even know about the goat until I was researching the setstage LOL). Maybe that was what borked my game...

[Trillian69]

I used a more intuitive approach similar to cff11's suggestion but on the Sam PRID and he completed as per quest, I did have to setstage before entering the portal to 150 and then 165 in the grove for it to work, had fully forgotten about this bug for quite some time but just got back into a game for a try at full legendary.