How do you get massive amounts of scrap? Like 10k?

[PuppYofDOOM]

All the google results are old and ppl exploiting and regardless stuff has been patched thoroughly and changed alot.


So yeah i wanna make some underbarrel mods. They require 2.8k.scrap.

Is there a place i can buy scrap? I never see it.

But jeez scraps hard to find!

I just killed a scorpitron for. A measely 400 from all the junk..

Weapons dont even drop much at all and the ones thay do are worth 400-700 vendored...

I cant see myself justifying scrapping those for a mere 5-30 scrap ?

[Radiac]

As time goes on, you will get a lot more guns that can be scrapped. By the time you're done with Vic, you'll have so many guns you don't need that scrap is not a problem, nor is money. You'll also find some good mods that can be bought instead of having to make them. Also, those Linkage mods are intended to be expensive so that you don;t count on being able to generate like 12 of them. There is exactly one copy of each Linkage in the game, plus you can make more by crafting them, but I wouldn't try to make a lot of them. For one thing, they only benefit the guy who has Weird Science and the guy that has Explosives, For another, there are some guns that do Explosive Damage, Energy Damage, and Fire Damage, inherently that are pretty good.

[Jej]

There's a specific NPC that you can recruit from Steeltown who will sell you thousands of scrap.

[ElPrezCBF]

Originally posted by Radiac:

As time goes on, you will get a lot more guns that can be scrapped. By the time you're done with Vic, you'll have so many guns you don't need that scrap is not a problem, nor is money. You'll also find some good mods that can be bought instead of having to make them. Also, those Linkage mods are intended to be expensive so that you don;t count on being able to generate like 12 of them. There is exactly one copy of each Linkage in the game, plus you can make more by crafting them, but I wouldn't try to make a lot of them. For one thing, they only benefit the guy who has Weird Science and the guy that has Explosives, For another, there are some guns that do Explosive Damage, Energy Damage, and Fire Damage, inherently that are pretty good.

I agree linkage mods should be limited because of their firepower but they should not be unreasonably expensive in terms of scrap needed. There are tons of other mods that you need scrap for and it's bad design to force the player to spend almost all scrap just for one linkage mod. In other words, linkage pre-req items may be rare but the additional scrap cost should not be prohibitive. The amount of scrap you get from field strips is also overrated even with the bonus perk. That's because lower tier weapons yield meager scrap while higher tier ones are rare.

[PuppYofDOOM]

Originally posted by Radiac:

As time goes on, you will get a lot more guns that can be scrapped. By the time you're done with Vic, you'll have so many guns you don't need that scrap is not a problem, nor is money. You'll also find some good mods that can be bought instead of having to make them. Also, those Linkage mods are intended to be expensive so that you don;t count on being able to generate like 12 of them. There is exactly one copy of each Linkage in the game, plus you can make more by crafting them, but I wouldn't try to make a lot of them. For one thing, they only benefit the guy who has Weird Science and the guy that has Explosives, For another, there are some guns that do Explosive Damage, Energy Damage, and Fire Damage, inherently that are pretty good.

Well im on supreme.whstever hardest option i havent done liberty vic or valor yet. Im lvl 19.

I feel im at a point i should get minmaxed weapons wise. Im finding scrap very hard to come by.

Im full tier 21 and 24. I dont need anything but scrap!

[PuppYofDOOM]

Originally posted by Jej:

There's a specific NPC that you can recruit from Steeltown who will sell you thousands of scrap.

This is what i need to know! Please do spoiler for me!

[Jej]

Originally posted by PuppYofDOOM:

Originally posted by Jej:

There's a specific NPC that you can recruit from Steeltown who will sell you thousands of scrap.

This is what i need to know! Please do spoiler for me!

You can recruit Handcraft who is in the Ghost Garage at Steeltown. Should be right behind Blue. If you killed Blue and Handcraft hates you use Nerd Stuff to hack him and force to join the ranger HQ.

[Iso Koala]

I think that the crafting resources are too limited. In old version of the game when crafting was not a thing yet, you could get all equipment in 1 playthrough. Now crafting scrap costs are so high that you can make only like 2-3 of DLC weapons out of 12 in a playthrough, and not even those if you spent scrap on mods etc. In a way crafting doesnt even feel like crafting, its more like a huuuge list from where you can actually take only a few things during the game and if you took expensive things early on, you wont be getting more later...

Overall the game has bit too much of that feeling in everything; dont buy/use mods/read skillbooks/do anything until the end, until you are sure of what you want. It doesnt encourage to experiment all the fun things the game has.

Personally, in later playthroughs after the first one, I solved this by using save game editor to give me scrap and other materials. Those special weapons arent any better than the normal ones are anyway (most of the time theyre actually worse) so its not breaking the game anyway. Unless you put that shortened barrel and quickfire mag to every weapon but I dont do that. I just unlock the weapons and armor to use which otherwise couldnt be used in single playthrough.

[ElPrezCBF]

I think scrap isn't well distributed throughout the game. I only had enough scrap to make two special weapons with mods after crafting just one HE fuse linkage right up to Yuma speedway. The speedway itself has tons of scrap but at that stage, it doesn't make much difference especially if you're aiming for the November Reigns achievement, i.e. peaceful power transition with patriarch.

While I can understand the rationale for high scrap costs of HE linkages/special weapons, such costs should be moderated with the entire game in mind. I should not have to withhold crafting mods for most of the game due to unbalanced scrap costs. What's worse is even after you spend tons of scrap to craft special weapons, you cannot buy the ammo for some of them but must craft them because these are unique. That still doesn't make sense. Ammo like arrows and nukes are special as well albeit limited in supply but you can still buy them. So why not allow special weapon ammo to be purchased? E.g. bees and mobile launcher grenades?

[Dawnsteel420]

When i beat this game 2 times on hardest diff I would always have made like 40-50k scrap while still having like 30k by the very end of the game before I literally try and mod every weapon and armor item i have equipped scrap is stupid ez to stock up and scrap weapons through the game.
First time I beat it was when it first came out before all these patches. and the other was more recent after all the patches and DLCs both games I ended with HUGE PILES OF SCRAP leftover just chilln

[Iso Koala]

Originally posted by Dawnsteel420:

When i beat this game 2 times on hardest diff I would always have made like 40-50k scrap while still having like 30k by the very end of the game before I literally try and mod every weapon and armor item i have equipped scrap is stupid ez to stock up and scrap weapons through the game.
First time I beat it was when it first came out before all these patches. and the other was more recent after all the patches and DLCs both games I ended with HUGE PILES OF SCRAP leftover just chilln

Thats my issue with the system. It encourages practice like that to save everything, to min-max scrap till the end. Not enjoy the system through the whole games length. If you also sell some weapons to get armor etc, mod those armor in middle of the game with craft stuff, have fun with crafting -at all-, you wont be having scrap in those numbers, I wont believe you. It encourages min-max style to save everything until the end, as otherwise the costs for high end equipment are something that you cant have anymore, as many things cost like 2000 scrap and other parts, and clearing map might give you like max 400.

[ElPrezCBF]

Originally posted by Iso Koala:

Originally posted by Dawnsteel420:

When i beat this game 2 times on hardest diff I would always have made like 40-50k scrap while still having like 30k by the very end of the game before I literally try and mod every weapon and armor item i have equipped scrap is stupid ez to stock up and scrap weapons through the game.
First time I beat it was when it first came out before all these patches. and the other was more recent after all the patches and DLCs both games I ended with HUGE PILES OF SCRAP leftover just chilln

Thats my issue with the system. It encourages practice like that to save everything, to min-max scrap till the end. Not enjoy the system through the whole games length. If you also sell some weapons to get armor etc, mod those armor in middle of the game with craft stuff, have fun with crafting -at all-, you wont be having scrap in those numbers, I wont believe you. It encourages min-max style to save everything until the end, as otherwise the costs for high end equipment are something that you cant have anymore, as many things cost like 2000 scrap and other parts, and clearing map might give you like max 400.

Totally agree with you, I think he's trolling. "30k by the very end of the game before modding" is nonsense since there's no point modding once the game has ended. I also don't buy the 50k claim. My estimate if you don't spend scrap at all is around 20k but who does that? Whether it's 20k, 50k, 100k, it all doesn't matter if you only get the total amount at the end of the game after hoarding. It's like saying "I'll save $1 million once I retire, but I cannot spend a cent now because I won't hit this target otherwise. But hey, $1 million is a lot of money!" Duh?

If one can complete the game without modding, that's fine but it would call into question the purpose of having this mechanic in the first place. I mean the game is very forgiving even on SJ unless you enable permadeath, so it's quite possible to complete without modding. Of course, the game won't be fun if it forces you to min-max to the end as you said.

[Dawnsteel420]

IDK how else to say it but if the player cant find legit ways of making more then enough scrap in the vanilla game + both DLCS NONMODDED its pretty bad planning on the players part.

The way I made my "millions" was a bit of planning, a bit of grinding random encounters, I never broke a weapon until I had max salvage skill, didnt buy anything untill i had max barter which i would max before the bizarre clown boss fight, i didnt mod stupid low level items I never understood modding low level weapons, and used my raw skill to beat the baddies with a bit of good luck to top it off. And I should have pics that show my group having 17+k by mid game. If any mods were put on low level items it was the flat damage to weapons the +4 or +8 you know the ones you can buy from venders for dirt cheap AFTER you get the barter maxed.

But I dont really want to put this post that much on fire with logic. The whole *WWWWAAAA* I want I want I want and when its not enough *WWWWWAAAAA* when there clearly is when others (not just myself) have brought this fact to light.

[ElPrezCBF]

Originally posted by Dawnsteel420:

IDK how else to say it but if the player cant find legit ways of making more then enough scrap in the vanilla game + both DLCS NONMODDED its pretty bad planning on the players part.

The way I made my "millions" was a bit of planning, a bit of grinding random encounters, I never broke a weapon until I had max salvage skill, didnt buy anything untill i had max barter which i would max before the bizarre clown boss fight, i didnt mod stupid low level items I never understood modding low level weapons, and used my raw skill to beat the baddies with a bit of good luck to top it off. And I should have pics that show my group having 17+k by mid game. If any mods were put on low level items it was the flat damage to weapons the +4 or +8 you know the ones you can buy from venders for dirt cheap AFTER you get the barter maxed.

But I dont really want to put this post that much on fire with logic. The whole *WWWWAAAA* I want I want I want and when its not enough *WWWWWAAAAA* when there clearly is when others (not just myself) have brought this fact to light.

Way to miss the point. I beat bosses without mods too and can hoard lots of scraps too by game's end but that's still besides the point. No one said anything about modding low level items but about the purpose of the modding mechanic in the first place. If you like being forced to min-max and withhold modding until only the end, that's your choice. You still haven't explained how this makes the modding mechanic meaningful for the entire game because you cannot when you're forced to hoard until the end.

[Nono]

Always loot things with Maxed luck char.
Thank me later.

[ElPrezCBF]

Originally posted by Nono:

Always loot things with Maxed luck char.
Thank me later.

Do you get maxed luck immediately and sub-optimize other attributes just to get that? How's that any different from waiting until the end? When you have e.g. 10k by mid-game and cannot spend it in a meaningful manner because you either have to hoard or wait for max luck, you know that scrap isn't enough. I believe it was mentioned before that special items do not need to rely on scrap to be limited because they also need other rare pre-requisite items to craft. So there's no reason to make their scrap costs prohibitively high.