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nikcha1313 has Wasteland 3

Sep 1, 2020 @ 7:50pm

Sudden End of the game

I think it is not a bug, but more of a weird plot end. However...
I have started a game, made several side quests, and then roll to Denver. On a way i have met Liberty with two giant robots, after i told her that she is under arrest, she started combat, and i had to kill her. It was pretty tough, but anyway, possible. And then just final credits rolled. It was saying Team November done the impossible, but nothing else.
So what no chance to get other brothers? No factions end slides? Game ends if you kill Liberty no mater what?!
I think it is kinda a plot hole. It would be nice if the game would continue, maybe she could have ran away like true bad guy last moment.
So i guess do not kill Liberty to miss a large part of a game.

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beluga25 Sep 1, 2020 @ 7:52pm

wow, just started this game and am now really interested to see what responses you get.

Bone Daddy has Wasteland 3

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:00pm

You clearly forgot the orders to start with Valor? I smelled a pitfall and avoided her back then.

Palad1n

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:12pm

The fact that you can actually do this and break the game / end it so quickly is a major flaw on the developers end. It would be like giving the rangers the opportunity to go straight to Cali in wasteland 2 as an option, instead of requiring other story line to be completed first.

I feel the developers need a lot more time to finish a lot of quests, especially the ones that will break the game if you make certain choices, and other quests where you have no choices at all, or common sense choices that aren't even included in others.

A lot of fun and great potential, but there is a lot of work unfinished for this game which is why they aren't receiving the "very positive" rank yet like Wasteland 2 did.

Hoping they will follow through on the tons of bug reports and broken quests, and go back and fix them sooner rather than later. It's a big part of why I stopped playing and haven't finished the game yet, because there are too many broken quests and ways to perma break the game entirely.

kevcro

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:23pm

Hmmm. I had no desire to get wiped by Liberty, but it's interesting that y'all found it possible to beat her that early*. Given you have the option, it should be like you said it was - very difficult but not impossible.

[*What level were your characters when you beat her, btw? I also did many of the side missions before heading to Denver, and I don't think I was really near a level to beat her]

I agree that it's a plot hole, and think it's one that should be filled.

While she's effectively set up to be a kind of final boss character, her death is not the end goal of the story, so the game should theoretically be able to incorporate her death and continue.

Presumably killing her would anger the Patriarch (putting your mission to get supplies from him in serious jeopardy), make you pretty famous, and scare the other factions/children to a point where you could get different negotiation options depending on your skills (spitballing here).

Palad1n

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:33pm

Originally posted by kevcro:
Hmmm. I had no desire to get wiped by Liberty, but it's interesting that y'all found it possible to beat her that early*. Given you have the option, it should be like you said it was - very difficult but not impossible.

[*What level were your characters when you beat her, btw? I also did many of the side missions before heading to Denver, and I don't think I was really near a level to beat her]

I agree that it's a plot hole, and think it's one that should be filled.

While she's effectively set up to be a kind of final boss character, her death is not the end goal of the story, so the game should theoretically be able to incorporate her death and continue.

Presumably killing her would anger the Patriarch (putting your mission to get supplies from him in serious jeopardy), make you pretty famous, and scare the other factions/children to a point where you could get different negotiation options depending on your skills (spitballing here).

Yes, I agree with all of this, especially if the devs had the foresight that this might actually happen.

It's disapointing that the community can come up with lots of interesting and well thought out ways to give players multiple ways to handle things, and how it would continue in the game, yet the content creator(s) on dev team seemed to put minimum effort into them.

Real shame, and I hope this is something they will change/fix or give modding support to the community to fix these issues.

JuiceySpice has Wasteland 3

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:42pm

Apparently you can kill the patriarch when you 1st get to the base and get an ending as well.

Wasteland 2 had a ending that could be achieved in a few minutes, but unlike this it blew away any chances to do anything else

Mastergaming has Wasteland 3

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:48pm

Originally posted by Palad1n:
The fact that you can actually do this and break the game / end it so quickly is a major flaw on the developers end. It would be like giving the rangers the opportunity to go straight to Cali in wasteland 2 as an option, instead of requiring other story line to be completed first.

I feel the developers need a lot more time to finish a lot of quests, especially the ones that will break the game if you make certain choices, and other quests where you have no choices at all, or common sense choices that aren't even included in others.

A lot of fun and great potential, but there is a lot of work unfinished for this game which is why they aren't receiving the "very positive" rank yet like Wasteland 2 did.

Hoping they will follow through on the tons of bug reports and broken quests, and go back and fix them sooner rather than later. It's a big part of why I stopped playing and haven't finished the game yet, because there are too many broken quests and ways to perma break the game entirely.

Really want to see what the dlc stories are going to incorparate

nikcha1313 has Wasteland 3

Sep 1, 2020 @ 8:52pm

Originally posted by kevcro:
Hmmm. I had no desire to get wiped by Liberty, but it's interesting that y'all found it possible to beat her that early*. Given you have the option, it should be like you said it was - very difficult but not impossible.

[*What level were your characters when you beat her, btw? I also did many of the side missions before heading to Denver, and I don't think I was really near a level to beat her]

I agree that it's a plot hole, and think it's one that should be filled.

While she's effectively set up to be a kind of final boss character, her death is not the end goal of the story, so the game should theoretically be able to incorporate her death and continue.

Presumably killing her would anger the Patriarch (putting your mission to get supplies from him in serious jeopardy), make you pretty famous, and scare the other factions/children to a point where you could get different negotiation options depending on your skills (spitballing here).

I was level 22. i have finished side quests around Aspen (but not Aspen) And side quests in Colorado city and Bizzare region.
These 2 robots that she has are hackable and do not do anything on first turn, so if your hackers survive Liberty first attack, you can hack them and she starts acting rather weirdly running around and trying to shoot them.

I guess points to devs for allowing to attack her, but it seems like there should been some plot turn after that, or at least some warning that game ends with Liberty death. Because from conversations and quest descriptions it is not that clear.
Recalling Wasteland 2, i am sure it will be solved in a Directors Cut!

Palad1n

Sep 1, 2020 @ 9:02pm

I just really hope the devs can come up with better creative writing and quest choices / options with updates to address these major game enders and other 1-sided quests that make no sense at all (IE:the oil rigs).

Time will tell, but it may take them another year to figure out what they want to do with this game, as I doubt we will see any "definitive" edition until late next year at the earliest. They have way to many bugs and broken quests to fix first.

nikcha1313 has Wasteland 3

Sep 1, 2020 @ 9:15pm

You know, from narrative point of view it could been have solved by just adding one slide to the game end. Saying smth like "With the death of Liberty her forces have collapsed and turned on each other, Victory and Valor were demoralized and Rangers have taken control over Colorado after Patriarch's sudden and mysterious death", or "Patriarch did not forgive death of his daughter and have expelled Rangers out of Colorado, while consolidating power to himself with no opposition left. They had to return to Arizona with no supplies, just bodies of the fallen Rangers."
It would not be the great end, but at least some logical final.

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Tonkinese

Sep 1, 2020 @ 9:24pm

Originally posted by nikcha1313:
I think it is not a bug, but more of a weird plot end. However...
I have started a game, made several side quests, and then roll to Denver. On a way i have met Liberty with two giant robots, after i told her that she is under arrest, she started combat, and i had to kill her. It was pretty tough, but anyway, possible. And then just final credits rolled. It was saying Team November done the impossible, but nothing else.
So what no chance to get other brothers? No factions end slides? Game ends if you kill Liberty no mater what?!
I think it is kinda a plot hole. It would be nice if the game would continue, maybe she could have ran away like true bad guy last moment.
So i guess do not kill Liberty to miss a large part of a game.

thats one of the endings just dont choose to kill her

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Tonkinese

Sep 1, 2020 @ 9:26pm

Originally posted by Palad1n:
The fact that you can actually do this and break the game / end it so quickly is a major flaw on the developers end. It would be like giving the rangers the opportunity to go straight to Cali in wasteland 2 as an option, instead of requiring other story line to be completed first.

I feel the developers need a lot more time to finish a lot of quests, especially the ones that will break the game if you make certain choices, and other quests where you have no choices at all, or common sense choices that aren't even included in others.

A lot of fun and great potential, but there is a lot of work unfinished for this game which is why they aren't receiving the "very positive" rank yet like Wasteland 2 did.

Hoping they will follow through on the tons of bug reports and broken quests, and go back and fix them sooner rather than later. It's a big part of why I stopped playing and haven't finished the game yet, because there are too many broken quests and ways to perma break the game entirely.

it's really not
go in kill the partriarch you will get an ending

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