What is good against

[Appiodici]

Amazon ?

I wil play against a friend that play amazon with xenoplague ?

What can be efficience against this combination ? (i have all DLC).

I am thinking about Kirko melee with psynumbra but not sure ...

What do you think ?

[kerestyche]

maybe oathbound promethean? Secret tech is a counter to xeno, and the race itself is mostly meele units who can't use cover which should work on paper against all those archers with medium range and ignore cover

[Appiodici]

it is strane because i looked amazon and only the plants one have thermal low resistance so i am not so sure that promethean is suppose to counter xenoplague

[leon feargus]

Xenoplague is best fought with Promethean for sure. Oathbound could be an option indeed but their arc weaponry can easily be countered with the 'grounding harness' mod. I'd sooner say Vanguard because of superior range and laser weapons tech. But maybe the best option is: Amazon Promethean!

[Appiodici]

Originally posted by leon feargus:

Xenoplague is best fought with Promethean for sure. Oathbound could be an option indeed but their arc weaponry can easily be countered with the 'grounding harness' mod. I'd sooner say Vanguard because of superior range and laser weapons tech. But maybe the best option is: Amazon Promethean!

what about kirko and psynumbra ?

[Anvos]

Psynumbra can work against xenoplague, but it kind of makes things a one sided stomp that can go either way where either your overwhelmed or turn their pustules into despair adds.

As for Kirko and pysnumbra, personally I don't like how they work together since you already have so much psionic. Promethean Kirko probably would be better just due to the sheer amount of stuff that Xeno Amazon can throw at you that needs cleansed and the basic Promethean mod is one of the best blanket answers to that. Let alone if the game doesn't end early Promethean even has a doctrine targeted specifically at Xenoplauge.

Kirko mightn't be the best answer either since their racial makes them want to stand together which makes spreading xenoplague and the archer barrages worse.

Dvar Promethean might be a decent choice since you could counter pustole proliferation with resource output of prospectors and Dvar can stay semi spread due to the trencher making their own cover.

[Tuidjy]

Prometean is a no-brainer. Tt has abilities directly targeted at Xenoplague, it is fire-based, so it will work well against plants, and fire resistance is nice against laser happy Amazons (whom I have encountered in multiplayer)

The faction itself?

I'd use Dvar. And not just because killing elves with dwarfs has been a favorite pastime of mine since the 80s. The healing fortifications allow you to stay spread out and counteract the Amazon/plague debuffs, upgraded guns and explosives give you a range advantage, high production keeps you from getting overwhelmed, and if you get to the late game... Well, I have a soft spot for the tracked Katusha stand-ins.

The Vangard and Oathbound can also a good choice, but the former is boring and the latter is tricky to play if you a new to the game. But if playing hicks with guns does not bother you, the Vangard are easy to pick up. Just make sure to account for the Amazon archers' stagger and blind abilities.

[Der Mentat]

Originally posted by Appiodici:

what about kirko and psynumbra ?

Imho KirKo Psynumbra is a good choice. The KirKo Initiate is an excellent melee unit and the evasion buffs of Postules and Destroyers (from Skitter) don’t work against melee. On the other hand, a ranged focussed army – even if it doesn’t get staggered too much by jumping Postules – will have difficulties with Blind Arrows, the Amazon’s shield heavy defense and the uselessness of cover.

You could support the Initiates with Hidden to have an initial range advantage (forcing the enemy to approach to your position). The downside of KirKo Psynumbra is that you don’t have a mod for Stagger Resistance which would help both Initiates and Hidden a lot.

I think Oathbound Promethean is a good combination as well. Again you have a strong melee unit (Purifier) and Amazon’s don’t have resistance against thermal damage.

[snuggleform]

I'd go syndicate/promethean. since their purifier unit is considered indentured it gives you the ability to spam them with the right doctrine. Promethean mods are well suited to fighting xenoplague/amazon, because one of them cleanses debuffs from you (super important), another gives mad poison resists (obviously useful against huntresses and biochemical debuffs), and they have good innate fire resists (in case amazon switches to their laser weapons).

[Appiodici]

By the way psynumbra is not a good choice finally... xenoplague have some mods that make unit not affect by moral and by mind control ... so i think psynumbra is really bad against xenoplague because of all healing and supress of debuff they have in xenoplague. By the way psionic is bad against mechanic so i dont see the real utility of psynumbra

[kerestyche]

psynumbra shreds anything without shields, mechanic or not. Especially in late game when damage numbers are high - psy protection alone won't save you coz it's becomes quite irrelevant.

[sandman25dcsss]

Amazon have shields, not armour.
Mech are good vs psi attacks, especially if psi-fish with their +2 psi resist mod is on the planet. Psi units have smaller attacks and +4 resist of mech hurts.

[Appiodici]

Originally posted by kerestyche:

psynumbra shreds anything without shields, mechanic or not. Especially in late game when damage numbers are high - psy protection alone won't save you coz it's becomes quite irrelevant.

depens of the number of resistance, i have some unit +8 resistance with Dvar tank x)

[kerestyche]

okay, I've looked up and apparently damage resistance is included in damage calculation alongside the armor/shields (whichever is relevant for the incoming damage type). If this is indeed the case then you are right and +8 res to psy is equivalent to hitting a unit with no extra res but 8 shields. Always thought of damage resistance as plain absorption (subtract resistance value from incoming damage and proceed with armor-based dmg calculation)

[Alpharius]

play vanguard with promethean while blasting fortunate son for vietnam vibes

[sandman25dcsss]

Originally posted by kerestyche:

okay, I've looked up and apparently damage resistance is included in damage calculation alongside the armor/shields (whichever is relevant for the incoming damage type). If this is indeed the case then you are right and +8 res to psy is equivalent to hitting a unit with no extra res but 8 shields. Always thought of damage resistance as plain absorption (subtract resistance value from incoming damage and proceed with armor-based dmg calculation)

Of course we are right. Damage resistance is the most valuable defense, it affects both plain damage and statuses, it does not care if you are attacked by melee psionic attack, it always helps.