Sonic the Hedgehog (2006) for Steam and why.

[Toadally Bad]

We can all agree that this game isn't great but that doesn't mean we should just forget about it. It is infamous of glitches being at every corner. Although it is riddled with bugs, it is not unplayable for I beaten it twice. However, why I want it on the PC via Steam is not because I am some masochist, its because I am hopeful of the modding community. Modding communities have done things like this before; they modded buggy and broken games to be the original developers aspirations for it. I would love there to be one day a mod in the Steam Workshop for Sonic 06' to play this game with a new light. I could be at the ranks of SA 1 and 2. But some also want to play it for how bad it is originally. The notoriety itself made this game memorable and would be an experience some want to go through. Also it would be nice to have Sonic06 in my collection.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Sonic 2006 deserves a second chance. A Rerelease should correct all the bugs and gliches that game originaly has.

[UrAverageJoeSchmoe]

Originally posted by Jr786:

Sonic 2006 deserves a second chance. A Rerelease should correct all the bugs and gliches that game originaly has.

I totally agree.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Originally posted by JaCrispy76:

Originally posted by Jr786:

Sonic 2006 deserves a second chance. A Rerelease should correct all the bugs and gliches that game originaly has.

I totally agree.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFddTMjiWsY
But no one would Sonic 2006 any mercy. One YTer went insane over that game. One thing it got it right was that Shadow used Chaos Control to kick Silver in the face.

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by Jr786:

But no one would Sonic 2006 any mercy. One YTer went insane over that game. One thing it got it right was that Shadow used Chaos Control to kick Silver in the face.

You're a complete dumbass dude. You do realize YouTubers are paid liars right? They literally lie and pander to their fans for money, it's part of the job. Wanna know why I know this? I used to be one who talked to others. I stopped being a full-time YouTuber because of how sickening most YouTubers truly are on the inside.

You think "no one would show Sonic 2006 any mercy"? Think again.

Originally posted by Jr786:

Sonic 2006 deserves a second chance. A Rerelease should correct all the bugs and gliches that game originaly has.

Originally posted by JaCrispy76:

Originally posted by Jr786:

Sonic 2006 deserves a second chance. A Rerelease should correct all the bugs and gliches that game originaly has.

I totally agree.

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by Dark Redshift:

Speaking of New Sonic (2006), any idea on the progress of the debugged PC version e.g. a new demo etc.?

I think there's three different people trying that out. One for a PC version using Unity (a terrible engine imo), and two using Xenia to play the 360 version on their PCs. Here's one of the Xenia WIPs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAsUFUYgEzE
Overall speeds have been tweaked, physics have been improved, animations have been improved, and they even added in graphical effects to it.

Originally posted by JaCrispy76:

Plus, if the modders can't fix the game, I'm sure Sega will find time to fix at least the PC version of 06.

Originally posted by Dark Redshift:

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Colors and Unleashed don't. At least 06 has 3 dimensions of movement.

Damn right. Personally, I'd prioritise both Shadow and Sonic 2006 as they are two of my three favourite games in the series besides the Dreamcast ones with Forces currently coming very close to join them. (I haven't beaten the game yet and I have been mostly playing on Xbox and Switch so far, which is why my PC Forces progress is next to none at time of writing)

Speaking of New Sonic (2006), any idea on the progress of the debugged PC version e.g. a new demo etc.?

Originally posted by prestonm1993:

Originally posted by Ashudow:

who the fuhk wants 06

I want it

Aaaaaaaaand the best point made out of all of this:

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by sonic65101:

Sure, let's sell HIV on Steam while we're at it.

It's not like you have to buy it if it releases on Steam y'know. It's just another option for the consumer.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by Jr786:

But no one would Sonic 2006 any mercy. One YTer went insane over that game. One thing it got it right was that Shadow used Chaos Control to kick Silver in the face.

You're a complete dumbass dude. You do realize YouTubers are paid liars right? They literally lie and pander to their fans for money, it's part of the job. Wanna know why I know this? I used to be one who talked to others. I stopped being a full-time YouTuber because of how sickening most YouTubers truly are on the inside.

You think "no one would show Sonic 2006 any mercy"? Think again.

Originally posted by Jr786:

Sonic 2006 deserves a second chance. A Rerelease should correct all the bugs and gliches that game originaly has.

Originally posted by JaCrispy76:

I totally agree.

Originally posted by Shizuku:

I think there's three different people trying that out. One for a PC version using Unity (a terrible engine imo), and two using Xenia to play the 360 version on their PCs. Here's one of the Xenia WIPs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAsUFUYgEzE
Overall speeds have been tweaked, physics have been improved, animations have been improved, and they even added in graphical effects to it.

Originally posted by JaCrispy76:

Plus, if the modders can't fix the game, I'm sure Sega will find time to fix at least the PC version of 06.

Originally posted by Dark Redshift:

Damn right. Personally, I'd prioritise both Shadow and Sonic 2006 as they are two of my three favourite games in the series besides the Dreamcast ones with Forces currently coming very close to join them. (I haven't beaten the game yet and I have been mostly playing on Xbox and Switch so far, which is why my PC Forces progress is next to none at time of writing)

Speaking of New Sonic (2006), any idea on the progress of the debugged PC version e.g. a new demo etc.?

Originally posted by prestonm1993:

I want it

Aaaaaaaaand the best point made out of all of this:

Originally posted by Shizuku:

It's not like you have to buy it if it releases on Steam y'know. It's just another option for the consumer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3o5LNJuFA
What about Sonic Genesis via emulator? I tried Sonic Genesis and its a bad port of Sonic 1. That's only 3 as of current bad games; Persona 3, Sonic 2006, Sonic Genesis but just wait until I play Mega Man X6 HD. Oh and Wolfenstien the New Order is what I consider a flop because I died in that game several times.

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by Jr786:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3o5LNJuFA
What about Sonic Genesis via emulator? I tried Sonic Genesis and its a bad port of Sonic 1. That's only 3 as of current bad games; Persona 3, Sonic 2006, Sonic Genesis but just wait until I play Mega Man X6 HD.

Sonic 1 Genesis via emulator is on Steam. The GBA port isn't even using an emulator. Do you know what you're talking about even? You only prove my point that this fandom is cringy af.

While it's not perfect, it's still decent. Also... Sonic 2006 being bad? That's your opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFLqHGNijc

This isn't a post made to discuss your irrational hatred of a game enough to say "no, people should not have the option to buy this game", it's a post made to say "we want the option to play it."

Don't want to play 2006 on PC? Then just don't buy it when it releases. I didn't think so many people would struggle with such a simple concept. I know, it's crazy, not buying something you don't like.

But nooooo, you have to tell us what we want and tell us what we can/can't purchase. Right, because we're suddenly not legal adults anymore at 18 and need to be babied around by some prick online. How about you ♥♥♥♥ off and let people enjoy what they enjoy?

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by Jr786:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3o5LNJuFA
What about Sonic Genesis via emulator? I tried Sonic Genesis and its a bad port of Sonic 1. That's only 3 as of current bad games; Persona 3, Sonic 2006, Sonic Genesis but just wait until I play Mega Man X6 HD.

Sonic 1 Genesis via emulator is on Steam. The GBA port isn't even using an emulator. Do you know what you're talking about even? You only prove my point that this fandom is cringy af.

While it's not perfect, it's still decent. Also... Sonic 2006 being bad? That's your opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFLqHGNijc

This isn't a post made to discuss your irrational hatred of a game enough to say "no, people should not have the option to buy this game", it's a post made to say "we want the option to play it."

Don't want to play 2006 on PC? Then just don't buy it when it releases. I didn't think so many people would struggle with such a simple concept. I know, it's crazy, not buying something you don't like.

But nooooo, you have to tell us what we want and tell us what we can/can't purchase. Right, because we're suddenly not legal adults anymore at 18 and need to be babied around by some prick online. How about you ♥♥♥♥ off and let people enjoy what they enjoy?

Well, just wait until Mega Man X6 HD comes out. I made that game look easy on the PS2 on the X Collection.

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by Jr786:

Well, just wait until Mega Man X6 HD comes out. I made that game look easy on the PS2 on the X Collection.

And if it comes out, then it's your option as a consumer to buy it or not buy it.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by Jr786:

Well, just wait until Mega Man X6 HD comes out. I made that game look easy on the PS2 on the X Collection.

And if it comes out, then it's your option as a consumer to buy it or not buy it.

Or it might be bundled with X1-8 for the PS4.

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by Jr786:

Originally posted by Shizuku:

And if it comes out, then it's your option as a consumer to buy it or not buy it.

Or it might be bundled with X1-8 for the PS4.

I don't see the point in you posting that here. This is a discussion about bringing Sonic 2006 to Steam. Not about PS4, not about Megaman, not about anything else.

[VolnuttHeroP64]

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by Jr786:

Or it might be bundled with X1-8 for the PS4.

I don't see the point in you posting that here. This is a discussion about bringing Sonic 2006 to Steam. Not about PS4, not about Megaman, not about anything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4IlJNY8OBk
Still Loading... I'm sure the rerelease of Sonic 06 will have bugfixes, less loading times & less people going crazy over it.

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by Jr786:

Originally posted by Shizuku:

I don't see the point in you posting that here. This is a discussion about bringing Sonic 2006 to Steam. Not about PS4, not about Megaman, not about anything else.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4IlJNY8OBk
Still Loading... I'm sure the rerelease of Sonic 06 will have bugfixes, less loading times & less people going crazy over it.

I love how you posted that yet again, so I'm just gonna post this again:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFLqHGNijc

bugfixes

Unlikely, but possible. Even if they don't, modders will.

less loading times

Why would anyone expect the game on an SSD (or even an HDD for that matter) to load slower than on disc?

[Dark Redshift]

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Unity (a terrible engine imo)

Thanks for the videos but I'm going to have to debunk the "Unity is bad" myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlQtW4Fzizw

[Hayatemaru]

Originally posted by Dark Redshift:

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Unity (a terrible engine imo)

Thanks for the videos but I'm going to have to debunk the "Unity is bad" myth.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RlQtW4Fzizw

Myth? So people can't have opinions now, is that right? Because I'm 100% allowed to have my opinion.

Reasons I prefer other game engines to Unity (Especially XNA):
1) They represent real industry work more accurately
2) 2D engines work off pixels, so Unity should provide that option as well. Spoilers: it doesn't.
3) The way you "attach scripts to things" in Unity is ass backwards, to the point where game maker studio and unreal engine both have better systems for that.
4) Unity either forces you to use their built in tools or modify its source code. Why can't I just code things in how I want to do them? For instance, why is the only effective collision system their unoptimized and buggy rigidbodies? Why can't I specify my own physics engine that doesn't rely on that? Because using things like mesh colliders in an efficient way means you have to change their source code to make it work right.
5) Updates aren't given in-app, they require a whole re-download and re-installation of the entire engine. UE4 has no issues with this with their launcher app. Imagine having to install an entire new game on Steam every time a patch comes out, including files that weren't changed, and then having to manually uninstall the previous game's version. Their reasoning? "Well we just rebuild it fully because we don't know how to patch." Do these people know how proper source control works? Not only does this utterly kill SSDs faster (as there's more read/writes than just patching), but it's also very frustrating when you just want to set and forget. Imagine running a game studio and having to do this on every single machine you have. I'd go crazy even if it were 5 machines for how often they make small patches. This is unacceptable for a professional game engine.
6) It forces frame independency. You want frames to be locked to multiple settings, thus giving users the option to have proper sync between monitor Hz and FPS? Too bad, they have to deal with input lag either way. Because locking framerates in Unity doesn't remove frame independency. It first takes already locked frames (tech works in Hz), unlocks them (using deltaSpeed variables), and then RE LOCKS those frames to a """"consistent"""" FPS (that still tends to drop more than it should). This causes input lag. Vsync? Also causes input lag. Gsync? Requires expensive setups and only applies to Nvidia currently. This is unacceptable, especially for speedy, timing-based games.

But if you can overlook literally all of that, including your better and easier options that are less likely to cause drive failures, then sure. Unity is a "good engine". Oh, and btw you're talking to someone who actually uses Unity. It's just I happen to also use Microsoft XNA, Monogame, and Unreal Engine 4 as well.

[Dark Redshift]

Originally posted by Shizuku:

Originally posted by Jr786:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YH3o5LNJuFA
What about Sonic Genesis via emulator? I tried Sonic Genesis and its a bad port of Sonic 1. That's only 3 as of current bad games; Persona 3, Sonic 2006, Sonic Genesis but just wait until I play Mega Man X6 HD.

Sonic 1 Genesis via emulator is on Steam. The GBA port isn't even using an emulator. Do you know what you're talking about even? You only prove my point that this fandom is cringy af.

While it's not perfect, it's still decent. Also... Sonic 2006 being bad? That's your opinion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JFLqHGNijc

This isn't a post made to discuss your irrational hatred of a game enough to say "no, people should not have the option to buy this game", it's a post made to say "we want the option to play it."

Don't want to play 2006 on PC? Then just don't buy it when it releases. I didn't think so many people would struggle with such a simple concept. I know, it's crazy, not buying something you don't like.

But nooooo, you have to tell us what we want and tell us what we can/can't purchase. Right, because we're suddenly not legal adults anymore at 18 and need to be babied around by some prick online. How about you ♥♥♥♥ off and let people enjoy what they enjoy?

Once again, I lament the lack of a thumbs up button for posts like this one.