One of The Best In the Series

[mdesaleah]

Is it sad that this game is still much better than than the most recent games? You’d expect the games to improve, and SA2 is a big improvement, but SA1 is still one of the best to play in the series. A lot of replayability, full 3D levels, great music, a large attention to detail, and a story that connects it all well.

It feels much more complete with actual effort put behind it. Especially when we compare it with games like Forces, Boom, and Lost World

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

I'll just invite you to look at this video before I'll just leave this comment section: https://youtu.be/5WbjLruc8jI

Is this supposed to earn you credibility, or lose it?

Cause its only doing the latter xD

You know, it's funny when people point out the supposedly countless glitches of the original Sonic Adventure when the Mega Drive games are arguably just as broken. Sonic 1 has the spike glitch, Sonic 2 has the Super Sonic softlock and even Sonic CD has occasionally wonky physics at times.

Not to mention I glitched through walls and got stuck multiple times in Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3 yet people still call that game a masterpiece, yet I've never had anything that severe happen once in either of the Adventure games. Not even after multiple playthroughs.

[kill me]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

I think this says it all right here xD. Do I really have to say anything else to prove its trolling?

I'm not trolling, I genuinely believe that this game is just a badly aged product of its time and people who likes it are just being nostalgic (and I understand them except when they defend it)

Just admit it already, you don't like SA1 because its just not your type of game.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Ok, well how about a less biased review that can see both sides of the spectrum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvcNpMdEk7Y
Yet still calls it decent despite these points?

Exoparadign Gamer is a sub-par tester who is biased toward his childhood, he's the same who complained about the classic game's special stage for being "too hard" (this was normal difficulty back when people weren't hand-holded in videogames). SCMJ is much better for that.

Originally posted by NBOX21:

You know, it's funny when people point out the supposedly countless glitches of the original Sonic Adventure when the Mega Drive games are arguably just as broken. Sonic 1 has the spike glitch, Sonic 2 has the Super Sonic softlock and even Sonic CD has occasionally wonky physics at times.

Not to mention I glitched through walls and got stuck multiple times in Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3 yet people still call that game a masterpiece, yet I've never had anything that severe happen once in either of the Adventure games. Not even after multiple playthroughs.

The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.
The spike glitch is just a questionable design decision (that got patched out in a rerelease btw), Sonic 2's super softlock was because Super Sonic is broken to begin with (aka not the main game), Sonic CD is still a great game and Sonic 3's glitches got patched when used with & Knuckles.

Originally posted by DX PUFF:

Just admit it already, you don't like SA1 because its just not your type of game.

The "this isn't made for you" is a weak excuse to defend a flawed game.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Ok, well how about a less biased review that can see both sides of the spectrum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvcNpMdEk7Y
Yet still calls it decent despite these points?

Exoparadign Gamer is a sub-par tester who is biased toward his childhood, he's the same who complained about the classic game's special stage for being "too hard" (this was normal difficulty back when people weren't hand-holded in videogames). SCMJ is much better for that.

Originally posted by NBOX21:

You know, it's funny when people point out the supposedly countless glitches of the original Sonic Adventure when the Mega Drive games are arguably just as broken. Sonic 1 has the spike glitch, Sonic 2 has the Super Sonic softlock and even Sonic CD has occasionally wonky physics at times.

Not to mention I glitched through walls and got stuck multiple times in Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3 yet people still call that game a masterpiece, yet I've never had anything that severe happen once in either of the Adventure games. Not even after multiple playthroughs.

The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.
The spike glitch is just a questionable design decision (that got patched out in a rerelease btw), Sonic 2's super softlock was because Super Sonic is broken to begin with (aka not the main game), Sonic CD is still a great game and Sonic 3's glitches got patched when used with & Knuckles.

Originally posted by DX PUFF:

Just admit it already, you don't like SA1 because its just not your type of game.

The "this isn't made for you" is a weak excuse to defend a flawed game.

Pretty sure the only one here showing dramatic bias is you here xD

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Exoparadign Gamer is a sub-par tester who is biased toward his childhood, he's the same who complained about the classic game's special stage for being "too hard" (this was normal difficulty back when people weren't hand-holded in videogames). SCMJ is much better for that.


The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.
The spike glitch is just a questionable design decision (that got patched out in a rerelease btw), Sonic 2's super softlock was because Super Sonic is broken to begin with (aka not the main game), Sonic CD is still a great game and Sonic 3's glitches got patched when used with & Knuckles.


The "this isn't made for you" is a weak excuse to defend a flawed game.

Pretty sure the only one here showing dramatic bias is you here xD

What do you mean? This game is flawed and it's an objective fact...

Mario 64 is the true 3D masterpiece of the 90's, not Sonic Adventure.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Pretty sure the only one here showing dramatic bias is you here xD

What do you mean? This game is flawed and it's an objective fact...

Mario 64 is the true 3D masterpiece of the 90's, not Sonic Adventure.

There it is xD

Any explanation other than bias? Cause saying (blank) is flawed isn’t exactly a good argument

Especially when the sequel already corrects some of the actual flaws.

[Ikagura]

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Especially when the sequel already corrects some of the actual flaws.

How? SA2 is actually worse on some aspects (like the fact the shooting and treasure hunting stages are worse than their SA1 counterparts).

I am sorry but those games are just not good and it is a fact.

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Especially when the sequel already corrects some of the actual flaws.

How? SA2 is actually worse on some aspects (like the fact the shooting and treasure hunting stages are worse than their SA1 counterparts).

I am sorry but those games are just not good and it is a fact.

Youre forgetting the (In my opinion part) xD.

If you want to think that go ahead, but theres a reason people are calling you out

[SpongebobTheHedgehog (Soul)]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Ok, well how about a less biased review that can see both sides of the spectrum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvcNpMdEk7Y
Yet still calls it decent despite these points?

Exoparadign Gamer is a sub-par tester who is biased toward his childhood, he's the same who complained about the classic game's special stage for being "too hard" (this was normal difficulty back when people weren't hand-holded in videogames). SCMJ is much better for that.

Originally posted by NBOX21:

You know, it's funny when people point out the supposedly countless glitches of the original Sonic Adventure when the Mega Drive games are arguably just as broken. Sonic 1 has the spike glitch, Sonic 2 has the Super Sonic softlock and even Sonic CD has occasionally wonky physics at times.

Not to mention I glitched through walls and got stuck multiple times in Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3 yet people still call that game a masterpiece, yet I've never had anything that severe happen once in either of the Adventure games. Not even after multiple playthroughs.

The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.
The spike glitch is just a questionable design decision (that got patched out in a rerelease btw), Sonic 2's super softlock was because Super Sonic is broken to begin with (aka not the main game), Sonic CD is still a great game and Sonic 3's glitches got patched when used with & Knuckles.

Originally posted by DX PUFF:

Just admit it already, you don't like SA1 because its just not your type of game.

The "this isn't made for you" is a weak excuse to defend a flawed game.

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Pretty sure the only one here showing dramatic bias is you here xD

What do you mean? This game is flawed and it's an objective fact...

Mario 64 is the true 3D masterpiece of the 90's, not Sonic Adventure.

The "this isn't made for you" argument is actually very valid when you talk about the game being "aged" and "flawed" because of it.

Listen, the game is aged, but so is every game in existence. Super Mario 64, Resident Evil, compare Grandpa SSB 64 with SSB Ultimate and you can definitely see the age of the original game.

Objectively, Super Mario Sunshine is a better game than Super Mario 64. Not only in terms of story, but in terms of gameplay being more fluid, fun, and engaging than the 90's game. Does that make it a bad game? Nah. Quite the contrary as it can still be fun to play.

I'm biased towards Sonic Adventure, sure, but it's definitely not due to Nostalgia bias. I grew up in the 2000's and was lucky to play the 2D games on my dad's Genesis, I played Heroes as my first 3D Sonic game on PS2, we never owned a Dreamcast or Gamecube and I sure as heck never played the game on Steam until 2016.

Sonic Adventure is the absolute greatest Sonic game of all time to me and if you don't like it, that's great. Not every game is going to be for everyone, but realize that there are people that actually like the game and have legitimate reasons to liking the game that aren't "nostalgia" bias.

[kill me]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by NBOX21:

Ok, well how about a less biased review that can see both sides of the spectrum?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvcNpMdEk7Y
Yet still calls it decent despite these points?

Exoparadign Gamer is a sub-par tester who is biased toward his childhood, he's the same who complained about the classic game's special stage for being "too hard" (this was normal difficulty back when people weren't hand-holded in videogames). SCMJ is much better for that.

Originally posted by NBOX21:

You know, it's funny when people point out the supposedly countless glitches of the original Sonic Adventure when the Mega Drive games are arguably just as broken. Sonic 1 has the spike glitch, Sonic 2 has the Super Sonic softlock and even Sonic CD has occasionally wonky physics at times.

Not to mention I glitched through walls and got stuck multiple times in Carnival Night Zone in Sonic 3 yet people still call that game a masterpiece, yet I've never had anything that severe happen once in either of the Adventure games. Not even after multiple playthroughs.

The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.
The spike glitch is just a questionable design decision (that got patched out in a rerelease btw), Sonic 2's super softlock was because Super Sonic is broken to begin with (aka not the main game), Sonic CD is still a great game and Sonic 3's glitches got patched when used with & Knuckles.

Originally posted by DX PUFF:

Just admit it already, you don't like SA1 because its just not your type of game.

The "this isn't made for you" is a weak excuse to defend a flawed game.

Then in that case the "people who like it are just being nostalgic" statement isnt true either, especially when you look at how many new players there are that really enjoy both SA1 and SA2

[mdesaleah]

Originally posted by DX PUFF:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Exoparadign Gamer is a sub-par tester who is biased toward his childhood, he's the same who complained about the classic game's special stage for being "too hard" (this was normal difficulty back when people weren't hand-holded in videogames). SCMJ is much better for that.


The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.
The spike glitch is just a questionable design decision (that got patched out in a rerelease btw), Sonic 2's super softlock was because Super Sonic is broken to begin with (aka not the main game), Sonic CD is still a great game and Sonic 3's glitches got patched when used with & Knuckles.


The "this isn't made for you" is a weak excuse to defend a flawed game.

Then in that case the "people who like it are just being nostalgic" statement isnt true either, especially when you look at how many new players there are that really enjoy both SA1 and SA2

Not to mention how that statement is so meaningless and vague that it can be turned around onto the older 2D games as well xD.

Its a non-argument.

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

The main difference is that the glitches in the Genesis games were not annoying ones.

Because the Carnival Night Zone collision glitches didn't want to make me rage and turn the power off due to not being able to do anything for 5 or so minutes *sarcasm*. You know, there's a reason the 3D games added a "Restart" option in the pause menu, and it's because of situations like this, which later 2D games and ports/remakes adopted.

Also, most glitches in the Adventure games I ran into are either perfectly harmless (not annoying ones) or the ones you have to go out of your way to try to find. Even the one where you fall through the loop in Emerald Coast - if you hold forward, which is how most people would actually think to play the game to begin with, the game will work as intended without fault.

Originally posted by Ikagura:

How? SA2 is actually worse on some aspects (like the fact the shooting and treasure hunting stages are worse than their SA1 counterparts).

To which I ask how are the SA1 versions better than their SA2 counterparts? The so called "hints" flat out tell you where the emeralds are taking the fun and discovery out of the experience and the timer for the shooting levels is no issue at all, plus the bosses can be easily won just by standing in place and mashing the fire button.

This is why SA2 is a far better game. Hints only point you in the right direction thus actually requiring skill to beat, and the bosses actually require a bit of effort from you to beat, plus you're given an incentive to rack up combos for bonus points to get those high ranks.

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Mario 64 is the true 3D masterpiece of the 90's, not Sonic Adventure.

Despite how Mario 64 has much worse visuals, sometimes wonky controls and very bad camera, and the DS remake actually fixed all those issues making for a far better version.

Originally posted by DX PUFF:

Then in that case the "people who like it are just being nostalgic" statement isn't true either, especially when you look at how many new players there are that really enjoy both SA1 and SA2

Like me, for example. I actually played the 2D Mega Drive games first and then played these games and absolutely enjoyed them. I have no nostalgia for any of these games whatsoever.

[EnderCatCore]

Originally posted by Ikagura:

Originally posted by mdesaleah:

Especially when the sequel already corrects some of the actual flaws.

How? SA2 is actually worse on some aspects (like the fact the shooting and treasure hunting stages are worse than their SA1 counterparts).

I am sorry but those games are just not good and it is a fact.

this should be enough to tell you ikagura is just trying to start flame wars, either that or he cant comprehend the concept of an opinion. just ignore him.

[Duckilous]

Originally posted by EnderIsaacCore:

Originally posted by Ikagura:

How? SA2 is actually worse on some aspects (like the fact the shooting and treasure hunting stages are worse than their SA1 counterparts).

I am sorry but those games are just not good and it is a fact.

this should be enough to tell you ikagura is just trying to start flame wars, either that or he cant comprehend the concept of an opinion. just ignore him.

More like he can't comprehend the concept of an opinion not formed from a YouTuber.
Seriously, what Sonic fan uses Game Grumps of all channels to point out how "flawed" the Sonic games are?

Anyway, I don't think he's a troll. Just a really stubborn person who rather listen to YouTubers he likes and wants the Sonic games to have no compelling stories like they used to have in the 2000's because "eDgY bAd".

[NBOX21]

Originally posted by Duckilous:

More like he can't comprehend the concept of an opinion not formed from a YouTuber.
Seriously, what Sonic fan uses Game Grumps of all channels to point out how "flawed" the Sonic games are?

You mean the same ones who went out of their way to glitch through the loop in Emerald Coast? All you have to do to avoid the glitch is hold forward. Besides, even after knowing about said glitch, I couldn't trigger it myself on the GameCube version despite trying my hardest to do so. He also died against Chaos 0, one of the easiest bosses in video game history.

And I'm not the only one speaking out against this either. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWKvZWZKGog Because there are plenty of people out there, like myself, that can think for themselves.