RWS, you finally convinced me to not buy Postal 4 on steam

[Cellsiuss]

Long time ago i preordered small game called Duke Nukem Forever, and i learned not to preorder anything else ever again. So i didnt preorder No Man Sky, but i felt dissapointed after release nonetheless. Same with Aliens: Colonial Marines, Godus, some Denuvo games... Anyway i was waiting until Postal 4 release like any resonable person would do now in my place. Until today...

Today i was literally terrorized by RWS news "Buy it now or FU, you will pay more later".

Dont get me wrong, i want to play it, game looks great, but also i dont want support early acces, and i dont want to play it now or even being tempted to install unfinished game "just to see" and have spoiled experience later after release.

Also price is really steep, at least in my country. !!!FINISHED!!! DUSK is 10% cheaper without any discount. Postal 4 is newer, sure, but also unfinished and quite expensive without resonable -20% discount. Maybe after release i would change my mind about that price, or maybe not, but for now it is what it is.

Overall sXXtty move. RWS just punished me for waiting to P4 release. Why?

Basically thats the reason why cdkey stores exist and they will newer be out of buisness, when even small devs are doing shXXt like this. There i have Postal 4 price with former 20% discount. And sadly i will go there now and buy the game before price will go up. Sadly because i wanted to buy it here to show my support, i wanted to wait and buy FINISHED product. But now? Why should i? I cant even. :/

[PoorPocketsMcNewHold]

Since public reveal, RWS always stated they would be charging more for the price, following devellopment on the game, until it is fully released.

[Cellsiuss]

Cool, cool... Where on store page can i read that? Because first thing i see is:
"This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development."
So i get mixed signals, dont you think? I wanted to wait, but today news literally told me "FU, you cant wait".

And anyway, even if they stated that, can you explain to me HOW this information make any of this better?
Because for me it is like someone would say "I will sell you this broken, unfinished thing now, and i will fix it later (MAYBE, you cant be sure), but you will pay more later, so overall i will FU one way or another... Enjoy. :)". Maybe you are fine with that, thats fine, im not.

[Zeron]

Like PoorPocketsMCNewHold mentioned, this isn't news, we have always expressed our plans to gradually increase the price as we add more content.

Early Access games usually work this way, by rewarding those who have been supporting the projects since the beginning. Some developers don't even warn people about a price raise, they just do it and you're left with no other choice unless you own a time machine.

Considering people will get the same things as all future buyers for a cheaper price, if you really want the game you should definitely get it now. Otherwise, the price will only go up as we add new days.

We're not thrilled to lose you as a customer and a fan, but these things cost money to make and we can't jeopardize the value of the game. More content = higher priced game, it's the way things work.

[Zeron]

Originally posted by Grlk125:

Cool, cool... Where on store page can i read that? Because first thing i see is:
"This Early Access game is not complete and may or may not change further. If you are not excited to play this game in its current state, then you should wait to see if the game progresses further in development."
So i get mixed signals, dont you think? I wanted to wait, but today news literally told me "FU, you cant wait".

And anyway, even if they stated that, can you explain to me HOW this information make any of this better?
Because for me it is like someone would say "I will sell you this broken, unfinished thing now, and i will fix it later (MAYBE, you cant be sure), but you will pay more later, so overall i will FU one way or another... Enjoy. :)". Maybe you are fine with that, thats fine, im not.

Taken from the Early Access banner of the Store page:
https://prnt.sc/105sr9m

[--<[ Blei ]>--]

Originally posted by Grlk125:

Long time ago...

cry us a river.
P4 in its current state is totally worth the 13 bucks i paid for it months ago.
lots of updates, P2 feeling.

>"B-but devs were so nice to mention that they will lift the price... HOW DARE THEY"

>mfw RWS adds a constantly crying guy into the game for the lulz

[-L7- themaniacboy]

If you're a fan of RWS and Postal games, you wouldn't whine about the price increase if it means you'll support the developers for their efforts to develop the game and continue their business. Your post makes it sound like they're forcing you to a decision, it doesn't. What you can always do is wait a little longer until it's complete and on sale, that way you will still support them directly instead of buying a key on shady sites and supporting their suspicious ways.

[LN95]

It's a $5 dollar increase, it's not that bad.

[PoorPocketsMcNewHold]

Originally posted by Grlk125:

Because for me it is like someone would say "I will sell you this broken, unfinished thing now, and i will fix it later (MAYBE, you cant be sure), but you will pay more later, so overall i will FU one way or another... Enjoy. :)". Maybe you are fine with that, thats fine, im not.

It´s more of a :
¨We are working on a game. It’s currently broken and unfinished, but you can already buy it and help us with it if you really want. Furthermore, it will be cheaper for you if you do that.¨
The game won’t go away once it’s released. And you can be sure no bait and switch would be done by RWS if you feared previous Epic Games shenanigans, they already responded to that.

[Cellsiuss]

Zeron; I have no time to seek hidden information in your EULA or track some news in hundreds of messages. The right way to do that without cheating people like me was - set price on 25$ from the start and make constant -20% loyality discount until release. So simple, right? Well, maybe not. And just because other devs act like s..theads, i dont expect every developer team do the same. Im just dissapointed, thats all. Mostly because in my mind RWS was different, better than this.

Lena, with 5$ increase in price i could buy quite new games cheaper. Here this price is f.ed up. And anyway thats not the point - i could buy finished games, and, you know, play them now, without waiting for release. :/

And rest of you fanboys;. Rarely i encounter so big wall of closemindess like this one. Educate yourself, develop some empathy, grow up kiddos. :/ BTW; People who buy game later with higher price will support devs more, right? So if all of you here are so huuuge fans of Postal maybe you should wait? Why did you buy game now to support developer less with your money?

[CalicoJack]

everyone please hold your hands and develop some empathy energy for our Grlk125
🎆💩🎆

[PoorPocketsMcNewHold]

Originally posted by Grlk125:

Zeron; I have no time to seek hidden information in your EULA or track some news in hundreds of messages.

¨I have no time reading the store page, nor look to what I'm buying, or not¨.
The early access warning is right there on the storefront.

Originally posted by Grlk125:

The right way to do that without cheating people like me was - set price on 25$ from the start and make constant -20% loyality discount until release.

Basically, what they do, but with more discount gradual price steps, until the release price is set once the game is fully finished.

Originally posted by Grlk125:

BTW; People who buy game later with higher price will support devs more, right?

Actually, not really.
You either, sell more copies at a bit lower price for people who can’t afford it yet at $25,
or made it full $25, and sell less copies.
The advantages of selling at more people, is to help the game be known to more people, as outside of still current fans of Postal 2 and those ¨fanboys¨, RWS isn’t that renowned, especially after the Postal 3 disaster.

[Zeron]

Originally posted by Grlk125:

Zeron; I have no time to seek hidden information in your EULA or track some news in hundreds of messages.

Clearly it's not hidden, by the looks of this thread, you noticed one of the many places where we warned about the imminent price increase.

Originally posted by Grlk125:

The right way to do that without cheating people like me was - set price on 25$ from the start and make constant -20% loyality discount until release. So simple, right? Well, maybe not. And just because other devs act like s..theads, i dont expect every developer team do the same. Im just dissapointed, thats all. Mostly because in my mind RWS was different, better than this.

Postal 2 was $50 at launch, i'll just say that in response to this.

[ItalicEyeball]

Sites cdkeys and g2a and plenty of other resellers list p4 as 15 USD if money is really that tight for you. And if you wait long enough, P4 will go on sale after full release through the steam page just like every other RWS game.

[Zeron]

Originally posted by Denny:

50 on Steam? Or in 2003?

2003

Originally posted by ItalicEyeball:

Sites cdkeys and g2a and plenty of other resellers list p4 as 15 USD if money is really that tight for you. And if you wait long enough, P4 will go on sale after full release through the steam page just like every other RWS game.

Those sites can outright scam people. Unless you pay a fee, you won't see your money back nor a replacement key.

[ItalicEyeball]

Originally posted by Zeron:

Originally posted by ItalicEyeball:

Sites cdkeys and g2a and plenty of other resellers list p4 as 15 USD if money is really that tight for you. And if you wait long enough, P4 will go on sale after full release through the steam page just like every other RWS game.

Those sites can outright scam people. Unless you pay a fee, you won't see your money back nor a replacement key.

Yeah, they're for sure sketchy which is probably half of the reason why steam censors their names. I can't say that I agree with it morally in this case or approve of the tone of his post but I feel bad for the guy because I've been in his spot with no money and visiting sketchy sites to "borrow" p2 back in the day. I can imagine how upset he's going to be when those reseller sites up their prices once March, 1st roll around.