When are we getting Neverwinter Nights 3?

[neuronfly]

Baldur's Gate 3 is coming but what about Neverwinter Nights 3?

[DrLoboto]

BG3 is probably the closest you will get to NWN3.

[Kuba]

I would like to play it too... got unfinished buisnesses with Zehir and Kelemvor

[elvendualwielder]

likely never gonna happen. To my knowledge, Neverwinter Nights as an IP is still owned by EA/Activision/Atari, and it's a niche market so they're not going to make it. If I'm wrong and BD owns the rights to the franchise now, then... have you seen what their current work ethic is? And the size of the company? With a studio that small with no other backing, NWN 3 isn't going to be coming from that.

[neuronfly]

Originally posted by elvendualwielder:

likely never gonna happen. To my knowledge, Neverwinter Nights as an IP is still owned by EA/Activision/Atari, and it's a niche market so they're not going to make it. If I'm wrong and BD owns the rights to the franchise now, then... have you seen what their current work ethic is? And the size of the company? With a studio that small with no other backing, NWN 3 isn't going to be coming from that.

I thought Neverwinter Nights IP is owned by perfect world entertainment because the mmo called Neverwinter is made by cryptic studios and published by perfect world.

[wendigo211]

Wizards of the Coast hold the rights for a new game. They hold the rights for all official D&D software, merchandise, etc. The rights for the old games are owned by the publishers, but new games are WotC.

That said you won't see a NWN3. You just won't attract the builders now that dev tools are a lot more accessible.

[Artificial]

Baldur's Gate 3 pretty much IS Neverwinter Nights 3. Hell, I suppose if you wanted to get pedantic about it, you could consider NWN1 technically BG3, and Larian's BG3 is actually BG4.

Now, having said that, we'll have to see if BG3 will live up to the feature set that NWN1 provided.

[JustMonika]

Neverwinter Nights three is an MMO Called Neverwinter, and it's already been out years

[neuronfly]

Originally posted by Admiral Halsey:

Neverwinter Nights three is an MMO Called Neverwinter, and it's already been out years

That game is Neverwinter in name only. Its a very cheap mmo... believe me I have played it. We want a new Neverwinter game that will honor the legacy of Neverwinter Nights 1 and 2 similar to what Larian is doing with Baldur's Gate 3.

[Pumpkin]

I doubt baldur's gate 3 will have any of the moddability of nwn games, either 1 or 2, much less persistent world capabilties, so it's a hard pass. it'll be mostly a single player game unlike nwn, and i doubt we'll be able to easily make our own campaigns unlike nwn

[DrLoboto]

But I think that's one of the reasons why there will be no NWN3 because it would have to cater to SP and MP alike. NWN2 already sucked a bit at the MP part, from what I hear. There was a lame attempt at a MP only Neverwinter game, and BG3 might be consider a SP NWN-like game, but I can't see any AAA company taking a risk with such a tall order of satisfying the old fans, combining SP and MP, along with a powerful but accessible editor for both that will allow players to share DLC-like content for free - ever again. NWN was a once in a lifetime masterstroke and happened just at the right time. It's astounding how well everything worked out, so that people are still playing it almost 20 years later, but I just can't see it happen again today.

[FangLeeway]

Originally posted by neuronfly:

Originally posted by elvendualwielder:

likely never gonna happen. To my knowledge, Neverwinter Nights as an IP is still owned by EA/Activision/Atari, and it's a niche market so they're not going to make it. If I'm wrong and BD owns the rights to the franchise now, then... have you seen what their current work ethic is? And the size of the company? With a studio that small with no other backing, NWN 3 isn't going to be coming from that.

I thought Neverwinter Nights IP is owned by perfect world entertainment because the mmo called Neverwinter is made by cryptic studios and published by perfect world.

As we know, Neverwinter is the name of a city in the Faerûn, so I thought Neverwinter was authorized by Hasbro. And Neverwinter Nights was just another IP differed from Neverwinter.

我们都知道，无冬城 (Neverwinter) 是费伦大陆一个城市的名字，所以我觉得无冬 Online (Neverwinter) 是被孩之宝公司 (Hasbro) 授权的。而无冬之夜 (Neverwinter Nights) 和无冬 Online (Neverwinter) 应该是完全不同的 IP。

[Doom]

Originally posted by neuronfly:

Baldur's Gate 3 is coming but what about Neverwinter Nights 3?

You'd need to switch timelines to get Neverwinter Nights 3.

No nwn3 is going to happen on this one.

[Selphea]

They don't need to balance SP and MP. Ignore SP and focus on multiplayer and player created content on the Neverwinter Nights games. Selling a single player title to fund ongoing development for a modding engine and multiplayer community just doesn't work, they need to be monetized differently.

[wendigo211]

If they focused solely on MP NWN would have failed. There was a post on the old Bioware NWN2 boards where a dev from OEI explained why they chose to focus on SP for NWN2. The decision was based on data from Bioware on how people played NWN. The majority of the people who played NWN only played the official campaigns and of those who did play community content the majority of them only played SP modules. I can't remember the exact numbers but it was something like 80% only played the main campaigns and a similar percentage of those remaining only played SP modules.

However, OEI didn't look at the content creators. A lot of the people who were making new tilesets, models, etc. were making them for PWs and MP projects. It was also a different time and more people play MP now than did back when the game released. I think it's also fair to say that a lot of the people who stuck with NWN, stuck with it because of MP and PWs. Would a MP only NWN3 work now? Posssibly, but I know I for one would have no interest in it.

[Selphea]

I feel that's a product design and marketing issue. The majority of NWN players play single player because the top button goes to single player and at no point does the game nudge or incentivize you to play multiplayer.

As you mentioned, that was also very different times when MMO, MOBAs, battle royales and other multiplayer-focused genres weren't as popular.

We can hate on Neverwinter MMO -- I hate Neverwinter MMO and never got past some generic lowbie quest about going into a sewer! But even then it's been going for 7 years and has twice the Steam playerbase of NWNEE.

The closest recent example I can think of is Conan Exiles, which focuses purely on multiplayer and has fairly extensive modding, and the devs focus on making new content instead of obscure ports or new renderers. That game was regarded to have saved Funcom and continues to be hugely popular. I believe quite a few NWN servers and players migrated there too. And Conan isn't even as big an IP as D&D!

It can work but it's always down to execution.