Why the hell is there so many enemies.

[Shadow75]

This seriously needs addressing, the enemy spawning and ♥♥♥♥ is ridiciolous. Look I use mainly stealth and just avoid some fights, but when your like trying to get somewhere then there's like over 1,000 robots (Overreacting) because thats how it feels.

I like a challenge but at the same time, I don't exactly like being overwhelmed.

Seriously, can we please fix this bug or feature whatever.

[flick]

The game was turned into a run and gun shooter some time back. It's not a stealth thing anymore. Sorry :-(

[⧏ ʜ ᴇ ʟ ɪ ᴏ ꜱ ⧐]

Originally posted by Shadow75:

This seriously needs addressing, the enemy spawning and ♥♥♥♥ is ridiciolous. Look I use mainly stealth and just avoid some fights, but when your like trying to get somewhere then there's like over 1,000 robots (Overreacting) because thats how it feels.

I like a challenge but at the same time, I don't exactly like being overwhelmed.

Seriously, can we please fix this bug or feature whatever.

It's an invasion, what did you expect?

[Fxmodder]

to me , i don'T find that there is alot of enemies, unless its in the FNIX bases which is just a challenge to take down that i like , sorry if you can't seem to stealth , but yeah everyone has their own way to play.

[derMack]

why camouflage? fight in open battle and attack. one opponent after the other. and with the bases you only have to switch off the generators and there will be no more opponents. for my part i really like to be attacked by many enemies. I fought great battles. i find this kind of fighting much more exciting. my friends too, by the way. try it, it's worth it.

[🤪CrazyWolf🐺]

As it is, the game is not capable of offering truly functional stealth combat style. You can take 1-2, or 3 sniper shots at most before bots could triangulate your position, and once you're marked, there won't be anyway for you to relocate successfully without been seen or heard. So you're back to shooting game.

Maybe sometime ago, the devs wanted to give players option for a stealth combat. They have included in Skills tree camouflage and noise reduction rewards of up to 40%, plus 20% max for either (or you can split) visibility or noise reduction attire crafting schematics.

Even with all these things maxed out, the best you can expect is an increase by one shot their detection capability, but once marked you can't unmarked. Either fight or retread until the "combat" sign disappeared.

But I know there are players out there who are enjoying playing stealth combat (not invisible combat) successfully. Maybe it is time for devs to improve stealth combat so players who want to do stealth can enjoy it too.

[SniperGirl]

I don't always try to hide from the machines but when I want to get from point A to point B without having to fight my way through I just keep running. Looking for hills and running behind buildings helps me get through the thickest of machines. If you don't shoot at them then they quickly lose interest.

My main character, that I have used for more than a year, has no stealth skills. Her leggings and shoes have been max crafted for jumping, which improves her speed slightly. But dodging fire fights is easy if your intent is to escape the fight, just run from it.

In the past the hunters and runners would chase you for miles before you could escape them, now it doesn't take that long, you just have to keep moving away from them and don't shoot back. Running with binoculars helps with your speed too.

Keep in mind that stealth does not make you invisible, but if your goal is to not be seen or heard then don't cross a machine's path.

[znurrad]

How would running with binos out help with your speed?

[flick]

Originally posted by znurrad:

How would running with binos out help with your speed?

Your running speed is affected by what you hold in your hand. All other things equal, if you're running holding the KVM, I'll be faster than you holding a flare.

[znurrad]

Originally posted by flick:

Originally posted by znurrad:

How would running with binos out help with your speed?

Your running speed is affected by what you hold in your hand. All other things equal, if you're running holding the KVM, I'll be faster than you holding a flare.

any testing done to support this claim? ;D

[flick]

Originally posted by znurrad:

Originally posted by flick:

Your running speed is affected by what you hold in your hand. All other things equal, if you're running holding the KVM, I'll be faster than you holding a flare.

any testing done to support this claim? ;D

Yes. I often outpace friends in co-op until they change their held items too. Or I lag behind if I still have a larger weapon up. It's been like this since I got here just after release.

[znurrad]

Well running Start safehouse ->first church with Binos out took 1min 52 sec and guess what..? it also took 1min 52 secs with my xKVM out ;)
That's with recharging my stamina between sprints.

If I simply run it takes 1min 43sec with either item out.

[flick]

Originally posted by znurrad:

Well running Start safehouse ->first church with Binos out took 1min 52 sec and guess what..? it also took 1min 52 secs with my xKVM out ;)
That's with recharging my stamina between sprints.

If I simply run it takes 1min 43sec with either item out.

Then something changed? This is weird. When I have time I'll investigate.

[znurrad]

Originally posted by flick:

Originally posted by znurrad:

Well running Start safehouse ->first church with Binos out took 1min 52 sec and guess what..? it also took 1min 52 secs with my xKVM out ;)
That's with recharging my stamina between sprints.

If I simply run it takes 1min 43sec with either item out.

Then something changed? This is weird. When I have time I'll investigate.

Hit me up if you want a tester ;) I can't really do anything ingame anyways with these tick-crashes in every zone apart from the archipelago.. ;D

[Wrex Hammerhead]

i always viewed it more as a hit and run, ya know guerrilla fighting game. Set up traps, and either wait and lure enemies and then hit them hard to even the odds or gain the advantage. If the heat is too much you run away.

Full on stealth doesnt make much sense to me since ya know, robots arent people so they dont quite act like us under fire and have instant communication. Neither does all out war since well... you are just some teenager running around fighting robots the size of houses.

[SniperGirl]

Originally posted by znurrad:

Well running Start safehouse ->first church with Binos out took 1min 52 sec and guess what..? it also took 1min 52 secs with my xKVM out ;)
That's with recharging my stamina between sprints.

If I simply run it takes 1min 43sec with either item out.

Easiest way to know or see a speed difference is when following other players. The distance you are behind them will decrease.

You may be bias from using your stop watch and I would think to measure correctly your stop watch would need to be beam triggered for stop and finish and measure down to a minimum of 1/100th of a second. Also wind direction, humidity and weather conditions can affect your results. (joking)